Clinton: I'll say the words 'radical Islamism'
Source: CNN
CNN) Hillary Clinton said Monday she's not afraid to say "radical" Islam as she countered attacks from Donald Trump that she's too politically correct to use the phrase. "From my perspective, it matters what we do more than what we say," Clinton said on CNN's "New Day." "And it mattered we got bin Laden, not what name we called him. I have clearly said we -- whether you call it radical jihadism or radical Islamism, I'm happy to say either. I think they mean the same thing."
Clinton -- who also reupped her call to restore the assault weapons ban -- was forceful in dismissing Republicans' criticism -- vocally echoed by Trump -- that President Barack Obama and Democrats won't describe such terror attacks as "radical Islamic terrorism."
Clinton's comments went further than she has before in the language she uses to describe radical Islam and swiftly undercut one of Trump's central lines of attack against her regarding the fight against terrorism. Her interview Monday morning also notably separated the former Secretary of State from Obama's approach -- in his remarks from the White House on Sunday about the massacre, he never used the words "radical Islam" and he's made it a point not to do so in similar past domestic attacks.
Read more: http://www.cnn.com/2016/06/13/politics/hillary-clinton-donald-trump-orlando-attacks-reaction/index.html
Gomez163
(2,039 posts)christx30
(6,241 posts)If you're afraid to say it, you're not able or not willing to fight it.
Kablooie
(18,641 posts)Why can't she respond without acknowledging Trumps idiotic rant.
This is why I'm still not convinced that she will easily win over Trump.
She always lets his blathering set the tone for discussion.
leftofcool
(19,460 posts)No doubt Trump supporters think so.
swhisper1
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AntiBank
(1,339 posts)denbot
(9,901 posts)AntiBank
(1,339 posts)memberwise
denbot
(9,901 posts)It was pretty intense..
840high
(17,196 posts)But some people view any concession as defeat and the only way to true victory as defiance.
"Fasten your seat belt" can become a cause for defiance, with splatting into the windshield the sign of true victory. Some outgrow it by age 10, others by age 15, others by age 20 or 25. Some never outgrow it, but make it from a flaw into a feature. And some support their knee-jerk defiance as virtue.
GummyBearz
(2,931 posts)And I bet she gets further to the right than trump in an attempt to out do him. We are screwed no matter who wins
swhisper1
(851 posts)MariaThinks
(2,495 posts)and of mourning for the victims.
EdwardBernays
(3,343 posts)Her "gun control" policies wouldn't even cut gun violence by 10%... Pretty rich claiming she gives a shit about it... Shes calculated just how much she can propose to befuddle people like you and not enrage moderate Democrats... The outcome? At best - at very best - dropping the annual gun deaths to 27,000...sounds like a real compassionate person. Lol.
MariaThinks
(2,495 posts)ignore list.
good bye
Major Nikon
(36,827 posts)On Mon Jun 13, 2016, 09:51 AM an alert was sent on the following post:
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EdwardBernays
(3,343 posts)People that think think 27,000 dead at the end gun a year, like Clinton, deserve my derision. Pretending that that deserves praise and is a reason to vote for someone is IMO also worthy of sarcasm and derision.
Saying that crafting policies which leave 27,000 dead a year means you care is beyond ridiculous.
Jester Messiah
(4,711 posts)She is often spoken of as being pulled this way or that by whomever, or saying what one audience wants to hear, then pivoting for the next audience. I would feel so much more comfortable if I had any idea what this woman actually believed in her soul.
bucolic_frolic
(43,281 posts)He was wrong. She did say it. She recognizes it for what it is.
He thought she didn't, and wouldn't. TRUMP WAS WRONG HERE.
It's a game of credibility, legitimacy.
Minor skirmish, but Trump gambled for it, reached for it, and lost.
emulatorloo
(44,182 posts)http://www.cbsnews.com/news/donald-trump-gets-self-congratulatory-after-orlando-mass-shooting/
bucolic_frolic
(43,281 posts)in ways that diminish Trump's influence on issues
and this is such an instance
Making his criticism moot reduces his power
He will try to cling to her on other issues, and she must push him
away by clearly defining them
I think she is well prepared for debates on issues, more so than Obama
or her husband. Bill was vague at times
AntiBank
(1,339 posts)Remember these 2 chestnuts of wisdom?
https://twitter.com/hillaryclinton/status/667371059885301761
Muslims are peaceful and tolerant people and have nothing whatsoever to do with terrorism."
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Hillary Clinton staked her presidential campaign Thursday on the curious claim that 'radical jihadism' is not a byproduct of Islam."
Hillary hammers 'obsession' with the words 'radical Islamic terrorism' as she insists 'Muslims ... have nothing whatsoever to do with terrorism'
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3325645/Hillary-hammers-obsession-words-radical-Islamic-terrorism-insists-Muslims-whatsoever-terrorism.html#ixzz4BTQIozDW
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Clinton instead referred repeatedly to 'radical jihadism' as a global scourge, but didn't explain how the concept of jihadism is consistent with the notion that adherents of the world's second largest religion are uninvolved.
Blaming 'radical Islamic terrorism' for vicious attacks of the sort that killed 129 people last Friday in Paris, she said, 'is not just a distraction.'
Affiliating them with a religion, Clinton insisted, 'gives these criminals, these murderers, more standing than they deserve and it actually plays into their hands by alienating partners we need by our side.'
I don't know whether to laugh or cry at this point
emulatorloo
(44,182 posts)If not, that explains your "weathervane" comment.
AntiBank
(1,339 posts)anigbrowl
(13,889 posts)I'm an atheist myself, but that doesn't mean I see every single church or mosque as a hotbed of bigotry even though bigotry often manifests in religious form.
emulatorloo
(44,182 posts)Of course the underlying tenants of bigotry homophobia misogyny of pretty much all religion. Deserves constant pushback.
However there is a real distinction between:
- extremists who murder 'infidel' gays and abortion providers
- moderates who don't murder anybody.
Chan790
(20,176 posts)It was fairly responsive...I'd say you just got hoisted by your own petard.
angrychair
(8,733 posts)version of it.
As a rule, there version and their gods are the only "right" one. Failure to worship there gods, from their religious text, will result in an eternity of pain and suffering and those that don't follow and obey their gods deserve that eternity of suffering and pain.
The Old Testament, the foundation for three of the largest religions, is full of rape, incest and murder, most on a genocidal scale and most of it at the command or action of their gods.
Religion, of any kind, is bathed in blood. From the most moderate and humble to the most radical, all not only desire my eternal pain and suffering, they demand it.
AntiBank
(1,339 posts)pick n choose believers to me.
6chars
(3,967 posts)"Failure to worship there gods, from their religious text, will result in an eternity of pain and suffering and those that don't follow and obey their gods deserve that eternity of suffering and pain."
- I am pretty sure not all religions believe this.
angrychair
(8,733 posts)Regardless, in one way or another, as someone that does not follow their specific text, I will suffer or pay some sort of penalty, everything from being reborn as a slug to enteral suffering in a burning pit.
leftynyc
(26,060 posts)The 16th can't get here soon enough. Imbecilic nick names for our candidate will not be tolerated.
tblue37
(65,487 posts)This isn't third grade. Besides, such immature name calling just pours gasoline on the fire and makes coming together for the GE that much harder.
leftynyc
(26,060 posts)jalan48
(13,883 posts)romanic
(2,841 posts)but hopefully she'll be tough and say what needs to be said when the time is right.
TomCADem
(17,390 posts)Also, is there some branch of Islam called "radical Islam"? Thought there is Sunni and Sheite as the main branches.
LastLiberal in PalmSprings
(12,592 posts)ButterflyBlood
(12,644 posts)There's a difference.
Chan790
(20,176 posts)These are faces of Radical Christianity.
47of74
(18,470 posts)Nothing Mrs. Clinton or President Obama does or does not do is ever enough for the GOP. These are people who will never be satisfied no matter what.
patsimp
(915 posts)yurbud
(39,405 posts)Taken out of context. The killer's parents said he was a gay hater who just used Isis to make himself seem more important. Too bad she didn't bring that up. But there is still time, before the neocons take complete control of the narrative.
emulatorloo
(44,182 posts)tblue37
(65,487 posts)the shooter was acting as a radical Islamic terrorist or whether he was just acting as a run-of-the-mill murderous maniac filled with hatred for LGBT people.
Until that sort of certainty is achieved, it is not wise to jump to conclusions or making sweeping claims and accusations, especially if you are the president addressing the nation and the world about an event like this.
kyburbonkid
(251 posts)I would be happy with that.