Trump to meet with NRA about banning gun sales for terror watch list

[hexola]

Source: Politico

Donald Trump will meet with the National Rifle Association to discuss preventing people on the terror watch list or no-fly list from buying guns, he announced Wednesday.

“I will be meeting with the NRA, who has endorsed me, about not allowing people on the terrorist watch list, or the no fly list, to buy guns,” Trump tweeted Wednesday.

Trump’s position breaks from the NRA, which endorsed the presumptive Republican presidential nominee last month and dismissed such bans just one day ago as “ineffective” or “unconstitutional,” if not both.

“Restrictions like bans on gun purchases by people on ‘watch lists’ are ineffective, unconstitutional, or both,” the NRA tweeted Tuesday.

Read more: http://www.politico.com/story/2016/06/donald-trump-nra-meeting-224362

[C_U_L8R]

1. This should be amusing

(munch munch munch)

[leftofcool]

4. May I have extra butter please?

[C_U_L8R]

35. Trump faceplanted right into this with his enormous head

Trump's either a traitor to the NRA or he's their lapdog. Doh !!

[hexola]

2. Could this be the moment we've been waiting for?

Freepers are not happy!

http://freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/3440381/posts

I've been kind of waiting for Trump to "step in it" with regards to 2nd Amendment issues - which Im certain he is tone deaf to (with regards to his followers.)

[Zorro]

47. Trump is double-dog daring the Republicans to do something about him

and every day that goes by is another day where their utter cravenness is on display to the world.

Hope he keeps reiterating that gun purchases should be restricted for "those people".

[leftofcool]

3. Since when does the NRA write Congressional Laws?

[AtheistCrusader]

11. Mostly with their pocketbook.

[TeamPooka]

25. Since about 1980.

[Botany]

5. Since when does the NRA or Trump get to make laws?

I suppose since the NRA owns so many congresspeople they get to make the
laws such as the repeal in 2004 of the assualt weapons ban.

The NRA is not about protecting American's rights but about helping to
protect the gun industry's right to make $$$ off of all the bloodshed.

[MyNameGoesHere]

15. The NRA, a group of about 2 million dipshits

have been blocking new gun regulation for decades. Why is such a small group of malcontents allowed to terrorize the rest of the nation? That's the real question.

[Botany]

17. The NRA and their congress pets even blocked Vivek Murthy* as surgeon general

As qualified a person as you could ever have .... Dr. Murthy had studied the link between
guns and gun deaths.



* https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vivek_Murthy

[TexasBushwhacker]

16. One of many reasons we need campaign finance reform n/t

[yourpaljoey]

6. Trump takes the lead on guns... wha?

[hexola]

7. Exactly the right spin

Thats how this should look - and how it should be spun - "Trump is a liberal on 2nd Amendment issues - he wants to take our guns!"

[yourpaljoey]

10. I KNEW he was a closet gun-grabber!!!!!!!

[yallerdawg]

8. Trump is not failing to turn over every rock...

the Republican base is hiding under!

It's really amazing.

Like an actual plan.

[forgotmylogin]

9. He's going to see what they want

He is likely going to see whether they will drop support for him or if they'll concede on this point so they can be in sync. He doesn't want to lose that base. It's his most important.

[hexola]

13. So I guess we get to see "The Art of the Deal" in action...

Win or spin - could be a big moment.

[CincyDem]

12. This could end up being a good move for asshat.

While it pains me to say this, Trump could squeeze this lemon into some lemonade. Imagine the conversation...

Trump: I appreciate that you've supported me. Thank you. Now it's time to deal.

NRA: We don't deal.

Trump: Everybody deals. Here's what I'm offering. I double down on my second amendment commitment for people not on the no-fly list. You support me in closing down this no-fly list ban.

NRA: We don't deal.

Trump: Here's my last offer. I double down on my second amendment commitment for people not on the no-fly list. You support me in closing down this no-fly list ban.

NRA: We don't deal.

Trump: OK - why don't you walk over the the HRC offices and see if you get a better deal because you and I both know someone, somewhere is going to do something in the net 4 years that will finally put a dent in that shiny PR position. I'll guarantee you the no-fly list is the end of the road for any restrictions...with her, you know it'll only be the beginning. I could really use this to show I can make deals and you need this more than you realize. What do you say? Deal...I throw in a hotel.

NRA: (after much silence)....ahhh...where's the hotel?

This mofo just might pull it off. While I would love that outcome, I hate to think it might come from asshat.

[Just reading posts]

19. Good analysis.

[TeamPooka]

27. Yes but I think it goes against the NRA's policy of not budging at all on anything. If they cave to

him they can cave to anyone and they politically can't afford to let that happen.
Ever.

[CincyDem]

39. That's fair.

Can' wait until someone declares them a terrorist organization. They've done more to ensure street killers have access to lethal force than any other organization. I hope I live that long.

[Yavin4]

45. The NRA's brand is never caving

They want to give children guns.

[Yonnie3]

14. I don't think tRump has a clue what ...

his real position on guns is or was or will be. He will say a bunch of things trying to make a deal with them, all of what he says won't amount to much as it can be interpreted as having many different meanings and change again next week.

As my grandma would have said, "would you buy a used car from this man?'

[truthisfreedom]

18. He's trying to prove that he's the one who can rein in the NRA

He's gonna get his combover handed to him.

[mainstreetonce]

20. This decision is not up to the NRA

Hey Trump, tell Paul Ryan.

[emulatorloo]

30. +1

[maryellen99]

21. Conservatives are FREAKING out on Twitter

They are now calling him a flip flopping con man

[SunSeeker]

22. So is Trump going to support the Dem effort to get this through Congress?

Granted if he gets the NRA on board, that would help.

[askeptic]

40. I am hoping that the Democrats respect 5th Amendment more than that

...and that people will realize that violating the 5th (no due process for the watchlist) is not the way to go about things. Do we really want to establish the idea that due process of law is just outmoded thinking and we should just trust big brother to decide who has Constitutional rights and who doesn't?

I don't care how much you hate guns, taking other rights away in your zealotry is the path to ruin for all of us.

[SunSeeker]

46. An appeal process would take care of any due process issues. nt

[angrychair]

23. Mock him

Ridicule him. He deserves it.

Don't underestimate him.

Far to many, on both sides, have done so and that is why we act so stunned when calling this racist, ignorant asshole the teapublican nominee.
If he manages to get a deal and the NRA concedes ground on banning guns for watch lists folks it could be a significant boost for him.
We have to be prepared for that possible outcome.
stay true to our Democratic principles and continue to fight against the hate and bigotry of tRump and his followers.

[mark67]

24. In spite of all of the things this guy has said...

Kudos to him if he pulls this off.

[MosheFeingold]

26. So, who makes the Terror Watch List?

Bernie supporters? Environmentalists? Zionists? Jewish people? Christians? TEA Party people? Or just Muslims?

I am sorry, I am very pro-gun control, but the idea of a secret government group getting to pick who can exercise a Constitutional right is downright creepy, and would be destroyed in court in about 2 seconds.

The Republicans would use this to target minority communities in a heart beat --- and don't forget they used to do this. Most "gun laws" in the South were about disarming blacks so the KKK could have free reign. The rich and powerful will always get their weapons (e.g., Trump has a concealed carry permit in NYC, which is damn near impossible to get).

It is something right out of the Pre-Crime Division in that terrible Tom Cruise movie whose name I forget.

[emulatorloo]

29. "Trump to ask NRA for their permission"

If he is serous about this, he should be meeting with congressional Republicans.

I suspect he isn't serious.

[BlueStater]

33. Is he ever serious about anything.

This is Trump's entire list of beliefs:

1) I'm awesome and everyone has to know about it.

That's it. Nothing else. His entire pathetic existence revolves around being the center of attention. He really is that simplistic. He's a 70-year-old man child whose brain never evolved past puberty.

[emulatorloo]

34. Total agreement. Narcissistic and attention whore.

That pretty much explains everthing. For example, I believe that attention was his main motivation for becoming the king of the Birthers.

[beachbum bob]

31. NRA never gives an inch..unless trump gives them BIG money

[ymetca]

32. Two snakes eating each other...

..something straight out of a B.C. comic strip, I'll wager.

[63splitwindow]

36. Hey Donald--- the repugs want every to believe....

that it is CONGRESS who gets to make the decision, not the NRA.

[Eugene]

37. Reuters banner: NRA says anyone on terrorism watchlist who tries to buy a gun should be investigated

NRA says anyone on terrorism watchlist who tries to buy a gun should be investigated by the FBI and have sale delayed

No link yet.

[askeptic]

38. Still unConstitutional - Until Fixed, It Shouldn’t Be Used to Restrict People’s Freedoms - ACLU

The U.S. government maintains a massive watchlist system that risks stigmatizing hundreds of thousands of people—including U.S. citizens—as terrorism suspects based on vague, overbroad, and often secret standards and evidence.

The consequences of being placed on a government watchlist can be far-reaching. They can include questioning, harassment, or detention by authorities, or even an indefinite ban on air travel. And while the government keeps the evidence it uses to blacklist people in this manner secret, government watchdogs have found that as many as 35 percent of the nominations to the network of watchlists are outdated and tens of thousands of names were placed on lists without an adequate factual basis. To make matters worse, the government denies watchlisted individuals any meaningful way to correct errors and clear their names.

https://www.aclu.org/issues/national-security/privacy-and-surveillance/watchlists

Note: This is really about the 5th Amendment. People should read it to see if they want the right wing removing it for them...

[MosheFeingold]

43. But the "Law of Suspects" worked so well during the French Revolution

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Law_of_Suspects

I get the idea. I get the political goal of sounding reasonable to make the Republicans look like the putzes they are.

But a secret list by an unaccountable government to deprive people of rights is a stupid, stupid, idea and violates every tenant of due process.

I lived through Nixon's enemy list days. I don't need that crap again.

[sarisataka]

41. Does this mean DU

will be against these lists again?

[Eugene]

42. Sales to people on terrorism watch lists should be delayed: NRA

Source: Reuters

World | Wed Jun 15, 2016 2:22pm EDT

Sales to people on terrorism watch lists should be delayed: NRA

The National Rifle Association said on Wednesday it stood by its position on terrorism watch lists and access to firearms, saying sales to potential buyers who are on the lists should be delayed while they are investigated by the FBI.

In a statement, the gun lobbying group said it welcomed a meeting with Republican presidential candidate Donald Trump. It also said protections needed to be put in place to allow people wrongfully put on a terrorism watch list to be removed.

(Reporting by Washington newsroom; Editing by Mohammad Zargham and Lisa Von Ahn)

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-florida-shooting-guns-nra-idUSKCN0Z123H

[Calista241]

44. So now the standard of victory is banning sales to people on the watch lists.

Which will be overturned in less than 2 fucking seconds by a court for removing a citizen's right to due process.

There's not even a way for people to find out if they're on the list, or to get off of a list.

So, for months we're going to do this, and the ban is going to last for 3 whole days before someone files a case against it. They couldn't have planned it better.