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elleng

(130,923 posts)
Sat Jul 16, 2016, 09:16 PM Jul 2016

Antidoping Officials Are Expected to Ask That Russia Be Barred From Rio Olympics.

Source: nyt

Antidoping officials from at least 10 nations and 20 athlete groups are preparing the extraordinary step of requesting that the entire Russian delegation be barred from the Summer Olympics over allegations of a state-sponsored doping program, according to email correspondence obtained by The New York Times.

The antidoping officials and athletes were expected to pressure Olympic leaders on the matter as soon as Monday — less than three weeks before the opening ceremony in Rio. They were waiting for the results of an investigation into claims published in The Times of a state-sponsored doping program conducted by Russian officials at the 2014 Sochi Olympics.

Grigory Rodchenkov, Russia’s former antidoping lab director, told The Times in May that he followed government orders to cover up the widespread use of performance-enhancing drugs by dozens of Russian Olympians at the Sochi Games. At least 15 of them won medals, he said.

Read more: http://www.nytimes.com/2016/07/17/sports/olympics/russia-doping-summer-games-rio.html?

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Antidoping Officials Are Expected to Ask That Russia Be Barred From Rio Olympics. (Original Post) elleng Jul 2016 OP
This was already posted in LBN PSPS Jul 2016 #1
And that thread was locked. LisaL Jul 2016 #2
I won't do it! uawchild Jul 2016 #5
This from a poster who linked to Rense? Codeine Jul 2016 #14
rense? Are you talking about me? uawchild Jul 2016 #15
It's an anti-Semitic hate site Codeine Jul 2016 #16
I profusely apologize!! uawchild Jul 2016 #17
LOL. Shocked, SHOCKED that it's an anti-Semitic hatesite uhnope Jul 2016 #20
Lol "full rense" indeed lol uawchild Jul 2016 #21
you already "apologized" to linking to the filth at Rense uhnope Jul 2016 #22
This message was self-deleted by its author uawchild Jul 2016 #23
This message was self-deleted by its author uawchild Jul 2016 #24
This message was self-deleted by its author uawchild Jul 2016 #25
More distortions about me? lol But, lets look at anti-semitism in the media. uawchild Jul 2016 #26
yet another propagandist tactic--swamp them w/thousands of words of BS, whataboutism, & deflection uhnope Jul 2016 #28
Avoidance noted. Lets look at THAT Economist cartoon AGAIN. Is it also RACIST? uawchild Jul 2016 #29
and...tactic #3! Accuse the other person of doing exactly what you're doing (avoidance in this case) uhnope Jul 2016 #30
Avoidance noted AGAIN. You want to say ONLY RT was anti-semitic, not The Economist as shown. uawchild Jul 2016 #31
#5 and #6! False Equivalence (mixed with deflection/whataboutism) + strawman uhnope Jul 2016 #32
You can't admit the Economist cartoon was anti-Semitic uawchild Jul 2016 #33
do you even realize how dishonest you're being? uhnope Jul 2016 #34
A MOLECULE of anti-SEMITISM at the Economist? Good lord. uawchild Jul 2016 #36
German newspaper is accused of anti-Semitic propaganda uawchild Jul 2016 #37
You once chided me for objecting to a story in Rupurt Mordoch's SUN newspaper uawchild Jul 2016 #38
MORE Antisemitism from Rupurt Mordoch, this time from Fox News uawchild Jul 2016 #39
Anti-Semitism Is Alive and Well on TV — 'Quantico' Proves It -- US TV that is. uawchild Jul 2016 #35
Why don't my replies show up correctly? uawchild Jul 2016 #27
People are using other "less reputable sources". rockfordfile Jul 2016 #11
You can try to argue the point, but RT is officially a no go for LBN. nt stevenleser Jul 2016 #12
I will risk asking this one question... uawchild Jul 2016 #18
I think it SHOULD be obvious if you familiarize yourself with RT Bradical79 Jul 2016 #41
Yes but it was locked as it was from an unsuitable source. nt stevenleser Jul 2016 #4
Again, I won't to it! uawchild Jul 2016 #6
You won't do what? RT is not a suitable source for LBN. That has been the case for a while. nt stevenleser Jul 2016 #8
For the third time uawchild Jul 2016 #9
The comments in your link were excellent uawchild Jul 2016 #10
I dont think banning Russia is a good idea rather the prior rewards should be stripped and cstanleytech Jul 2016 #3
Russia should be banned for at least 4 years uawchild Jul 2016 #7
Yes I know but the Olympics is about trying to bring countries together cstanleytech Jul 2016 #19
I think both should be done. nt stevenleser Jul 2016 #13
So would the punishment be whistler162 Jul 2016 #40
hahahaha obamanut2012 Jul 2016 #42
Post removed Post removed Jun 2022 #43

LisaL

(44,973 posts)
2. And that thread was locked.
Sat Jul 16, 2016, 09:22 PM
Jul 2016

More reputable source was requested. This is a more reputable source.

uawchild

(2,208 posts)
5. I won't do it!
Sat Jul 16, 2016, 09:49 PM
Jul 2016

I will not post a meta comment about how a forum is administered, that would violate the DU terms of service.

uawchild

(2,208 posts)
15. rense? Are you talking about me?
Sat Jul 16, 2016, 11:21 PM
Jul 2016

Who or what is rense? And who did you think linked to it?

It certainly was never me. Please post a link if you feel otherwise. Thank you.

 

Codeine

(25,586 posts)
16. It's an anti-Semitic hate site
Sat Jul 16, 2016, 11:43 PM
Jul 2016

specializing in Holocaust denial, AIDS denial, Jewish conspiracy theories, and all sorts of other filth.

You linked to them here:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10141521170#post4

uawchild

(2,208 posts)
17. I profusely apologize!!
Sat Jul 16, 2016, 11:48 PM
Jul 2016

I had no idea of there background, I was looking for stories about the Vatican banking scandal and people who turned up dead.

The article was about a Catholic Archbishop that was involved in the Vatican banking scandal and has no obvious anti-Semitic content, so I had no clue the site was a hate site.

I was attempting to make a joke about Putin and the Vatican, that if you crossed either you turn up dead.

Again, I apologize and thank you for pointing this out.

The article I linked to also doesn't have any obvious indication on the page what type of site rense is. It looked clean when I scanned it. It was a plain looking page. But, again, thank you for pointing this out to me.

 

uhnope

(6,419 posts)
20. LOL. Shocked, SHOCKED that it's an anti-Semitic hatesite
Sun Jul 17, 2016, 08:42 AM
Jul 2016

So posting RT wasn't enough, had to go Full Rense?

RT employed an actual active German neo-Nazi as their resident (fake) expert on Ukraine until they go caught. And then RT left all his "reporting" and bio on their website for future far-right Putin apologist to use and enjoy to this day.

That's the RT you insist on plopping all over DU, just like the anti-Semitic hatesite Rense that you claimed to have never heard of--after you got caught linking to it!

So if you're genuine in your apology about Rense, you'll stop polluting DU with RT, also, right?

More: http://www.algemeiner.com/2014/05/12/simon-wiesenthal-center-slams-state-funded-russia-today-television-for-anti-semitic-program-demands-apology-video/

http://www.jpost.com/Opinion/Former-TV-Anchor-Fight-anti-Israel-media-bias-441159

http://www.tabletmag.com/scroll/194211/russia-today-airs-bizarre-anti-semitic-conspiracy-theory-about-hillary-clinton


uawchild

(2,208 posts)
21. Lol "full rense" indeed lol
Sun Jul 17, 2016, 09:14 AM
Jul 2016

Post one anti-Semitic thing I have ever said or any anti-Semitic articles I have ever posted

You can't -- because there simply are NONE.

Meanwhile your stridently anti-Russian war monger ing is legendary. Didn't you once post "Break up Russia. Break up China"? Why yes you did. What is that besides neo-con warmongering?

 

uhnope

(6,419 posts)
22. you already "apologized" to linking to the filth at Rense
Sun Jul 17, 2016, 09:31 AM
Jul 2016

and yet you're still going to link to RT, after what I've just shown you? (And that you totally failed to address, instead pulling the usual propagandistic tactic of "attack, never defend". Sorry, won't take the bait.)

Your entire pattern of posting on DU, from pushing RT to linking to Rense, to spreading debunked conspiracy theories that come directly from Russia propaganda, and now to using the attack-never-defend tactic, suggest strongly you are pushing a clear agenda of defending Russian fascism. Your little-ol'-me apologies look rather like BS next to your ugly spewing of Kremlin CTs and support for Russian warmaking and occupation in Ukraine.

Response to uhnope (Reply #22)

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uawchild

(2,208 posts)
26. More distortions about me? lol But, lets look at anti-semitism in the media.
Sun Jul 17, 2016, 11:10 AM
Jul 2016

So, you continue your distortions. I never posted any filth from rense, I linked to an article inadvertently while I was making a joke about Putin and The Vatican both killing people that cross them. As you know, that article was on a plain page and was about a Caatholic Archbishop that was accused of corruption at the Vatican Bank.

You know this, because it was explained to you TWICE, but since your stock in trade seems to be distortions I suppose we all can expect you to continue to distort reality.

Now about your "point" that RT is somehow a totally odious news source that has no place here on DU, lets examine that.

Yes, thanks for the EXCELLENT examples. One was a badly done "satire" in inexcusably bad taste, another had a German talking head being fired once it was shown he was actually a neo-nazi, and the third one was some strange Illuminattii piece that I still can't quite figure out. Yes, they certainly seem crappy and anti-semitic to differing degrees.

But is your OUTRAGE SELECTIVE? yes it would seem so. Shall we look at examples of anti-Semitism in US and Western sources and compare them?
Let's.

"Fighting Anti-Semitism in the Media

As a long-time member of the Global Forum for Combating Anti-Semitism’s Working Group dealing with Anti-Semitism on the Internet and in the Media, HonestReporting Managing Editor Simon Plosker will be presenting at the 5th Global Forum for Combating Anti-Semitism that opens Tuesday evening in Jerusalem.

Prominent examples of recent anti-Semitism in the media that HR has dealt with include:

An anti-Semitic cartoon implying Jewish control over the U.S. government in The Economist.
Israel depicted as a demon by a German newspaper.
The Independent’s headline referring to a “Jewish lobby” and a description of this lobby being “multi-tentacled.”
The BBC’s Tim Willcox stating that “Palestinians suffer at Jewish hands” while covering the aftermath of a terrorist attack on a Jewish supermarket in Paris."
http://honestreporting.com/fighting-anti-semitism-in-the-media/

Wow, that's from ONE article about the UK press. Shall we look at those accusations? Let's.

"Shades of Anti-Semitism in The Economist

An article in The Economist examining the Iranian nuclear deal barely mentions Israel. So what was the magazine thinking when it published this cartoon to accompany the article?

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The cartoon is clearly meant to imply that both U.S. President Obama and Iranian President Rohani are being constrained in their efforts to reach out to each other. In the case of Obama, the U.S. Congress is portrayed as the proverbial ball and chain.


But take a closer look. Two Stars of David appear, one in the outer rim and the other located directly over the eagle symbol.

Note that this is not an Israeli flag but a Jewish symbol. Is the cartoonist implying that Congress is under Jewish control?

Jewish control over governments, the media and the international financial system is a classic feature of anti-Semitism and the cartoon is, wittingly or unwittingly, promoting this trope.

This falls firmly under the working definitions of anti-Semitism from both the U.S. State Department and the EU, which specifically include:

Making mendacious, dehumanizing, demonizing, or stereotypical allegations about Jews as such or the power of Jews as collective — such as, especially but not exclusively, the myth about a world Jewish conspiracy or of Jews controlling the media, economy, government or other societal institutions.

Perhaps this never occurred to the cartoonist or the staff of The Economist. It should have.

UPDATE:

Within hours of publication of this post, The Economist removed the offensive cartoon from the article and added the following:

Editor’s note: The print edition of this story had a cartoon which inadvertently caused offence to some readers, so we have replaced it with a photograph.

More coverage in The Times of Israel.

However, the cartoon still appears on The Economist’s Middle East page"
http://honestreporting.com/shades-of-anti-semitism-in-the-economist-1/

OMG, THAT IS SO BAD. It seems as blatantly anti-semitic as the links YOU posted. SO, according to YOU, we should also barr The Economist as we do RT. OK, fine. But of course we don't.

Shall we continue? Lets. Let's look at the article where Israel was depicted as a demon by a German newspaper.

"Success: Monster Cartoon – German Newspaper Apologizes

German daily Süddeutsche Zeitung’s anti-Semitic cartoon that portrayed Israel as a ravenous monster rightly caused outrage. Many of you wrote to the newspaper to express your anger.

As a result of the pressure and publicity generated by HonestReporting and a number of other concerned organizations (HR is cited in this Jerusalem Post report), Süddeutsche Zeitung has backed down and apologized. Here is a rough translation from the original German:

There was significant criticism and outrage at the illustration on the “The Political Book” page on July 2. As we have already written in the Süddeutsche Zeitung and Süddeutsche.de, we deplore the use of this illustration. It was an unsuccessful attempt to represent by means of caricature, how the State of Israel is seen by her enemies.

This intention was not clear. The drawing of a horned monster with a knife and fork did not make the connection to the symbolism of anti-Israel clichés. On the contrary: The illustration allows for the conclusion that we are depicting Israel as a monster. It was a cliché used to denounce stereotypes, and that did not work, even though the caption attempted the explanation.

We are very sorry we have made this mistake. And we ask those we have hurt or annoyed to excuse it. This also includes the illustrator Ernst Kahl, whose drawing was used in this context, although it was actually made for a cooking column. We will be very careful that such an error is not repeated.

In light of the newspaper’s previous denials that the cartoon had been nothing more than a “misunderstanding,” it is significant that it has now recognized exactly why the publication of this cartoon was so patently unacceptable."
http://honestreporting.com/success-monster-cartoon-german-newspaper-apologizes/

So, of course we need to add the German daily Süddeutsche Zeitung to the list of barred source, no?

Let's do one more, since you gave three examples,so should I. Let's look at the Independent’s headline referring to a “Jewish lobby” and a description of this lobby being “multi-tentacled.”

"The Independent Changes “Jewish Lobby” Headline
UPDATE 9/3/2014: A reader sent us a link to a cached version of Mira Bar Hillel’s column that includes the now-deleted “multi-tentacle” reference.


Mira Bar Hillel’s obsessive campaign against Israel in column after column for The Independent continues. Bar Hillel, to recall, is an expatriate Israeli who hates the country of her birth so much that she wrote about how she is on the brink of burning her Israeli passport. She has even admitted that she is prejudiced against Jews.

In her latest piece, she launches an attack on a so-called “Israel lobby” in the UK in a virtual repeat of a Channel 4 Dispatches investigation in 2009 that uncovered nothing untoward beyond Angl0-Jewry exercising its democratic right to advocate for Israel.

The MediaGuido blog got a screenshot of The Independent’s original headline before it was quietly changed:

While The Independent may have realized that it had crossed a line with a headline referring to “powerful Jewish lobbies,” Mira Bar Hillel was less bothered, as she demonstrated on Twitter."
http://honestreporting.com/the-independent-changes-jewish-lobby-headline/

Well there ya go, three examples of anti-semitism in the Western press. And of course both thee Independent AND The Economists are "AAccepted reliable sources" here on DU. Amazing, no?

Look, that was all from THE FIRST article I found on anti-semitism in the media. There are tons more examples. Let's look at a nice article that discusses anti-semitism through out the media in Europe:

"ANTI-ISRAEL AND ANTISEMITIC THEMES IN EUROPEAN MEDIA PRESENTED AT HEBREW UNIVERSITY CONFERENCE

A stark picture of media-fed anti-Semitism -- expressed primarily in the framework of harsh and one-sided media reportage and criticism of Israel in its conflict with the Palestinians -- was presented by speakers this week at an international conference on "Anti-Semitism and Prejudice in the Contemporary Media," being held at the Hebrew University of Jerusalem.

The conference was organized by the university's Vidal Sassoon International Center for the Study of Anti-Semitism, marking the center's 20th anniversary. The conference brought together prominent researchers in the field from Israel and abroad.

Margaret Brearley, advisor on the Holocaust to the Archbishops' Council in England and a lecturer at the Jewish Cultural Center in London, noted the sharp rise in anti-Zionist sentiment in Britain, along with an increase in anti-American attitudes. She said that Israeli Prime Minister Ariel Sharon is "routinely demonized" in much of the British press, adding that "no other leader of any country is similarly demonized."

By contrast, said Brearley, who is the chairperson of the National Council of British WIZO and British vice-president of Faith and Freedom, the International Christian-Jewish Association on the Middle East, Palestinian Authority Chairman Yasser Arafat is described in much milder terms, often as an arch-victim, or as a tragically heroic figure.

Brearley cautioned that not all anti-Israel reporting and opinion should be labeled anti-Semitic, but one can certainly discern traditional anti-Jewish elements in what is written and said. Some of the language used in the British media to describe Israel and Israelis recalls that used in anti-Semitic propaganda in the former Soviet Union in the 1970s, said Brearley, including terming Israelis as "crypto-fascists" or "colonial occupiers."

Brearley presented a litany of terms used in the British media to describe Israeli anti-terrorist actions, referring to them as "executions" or "assassinations" carried out by "death squads" or in "killing fields," while Palestinian suicide bombings are sometimes portrayed sympathetically as "retaliation for Israeli aggression." This kind of terminology reached a vitriolic height last April, she said, when the Israeli incursion into Jenin was "repeatedly and over a long period" described in such terms as "genocide," an attempt at "ethnic cleansing" or as an example of "war crimes."

The British religious press largely mimics the attitudes of the secular press, said Brearley, reflecting the predominant pro-Palestinian sympathies of the establishment Church, she said.

A disturbing trend of "tolerance" of the use of anti-Semitic language in the German press was presented by another speaker, Dr. Gilad Margalit, a historian from Haifa University. In both granting coverage to avowed anti-Semites and in commentary sometimes equating Israeli anti-terror actions with those of the Nazis, the German media is breaking old taboos against Jew-hatred, he said.

In Sweden, old anti-Jewish attitudes have again come to the fore, especially with the outbreak of the Lebanon War in 1982 and again in the context of the current intifada, said Dr. Henrik Bachner of the Department of History of Lund University in Sweden. Israeli actions in the 1982 war and the current Israeli-Palestinian conflict are described as provocative, aggressive and expressing Jewish Old Testament rage and cruelty, as contrasted with the Christian spirit of tolerance and forgiveness, said Bachner.

The Jews have even been portrayed in the Swedish media as analogous to the Nazis, taking revenge for what happened to them in the Holocaust. This makes them legitimate "targets" and enables criticism of Israel to provide a context in which anti-Jewish attitudes can be openly expressed, he said.

In France, the current upsurge of anti-Semitic incidents was described by Dr. Simcha Epstein, a senior researcher at the Vidal Sassoon International Center for the Study of Anti-Semitism, as the latest in a series of anti-Semitic waves that have periodically swept over that country. In the current wave, as in the past, Jews have rallied to combat the phenomenon, he said, though this time there is a more pluralistic approach, with many different groups fighting the trend in a variety of ways. One theme uniting the Jewish reaction is to portray the latest surge of anti-Semitic acts as a threat not only to Jews but to everyone - a tactic that has not worked in the past and that, Dr. Epstein intimated, won't work this time either."
http://www.mefacts.com/cached.asp?x_id=11277

And, wait, don't you post articles from Al Jazeera? I am pretty sure you have.

"Is Al Jazeera anti-Semitic and anti-American?

With its 24/7 coverage of the Cairo protests garnering praise from media critics, many are calling on more U.S. cable systems to carry the Arabic news network Al Jazeera.

But is the Qatar-based network anti-Semitic and anti-American, as some - like Fox News host Bill O'Reilly - have claimed?

And should Al Jazeera - which is presently only available in a few U.S. markets - be offered nationwide?
...
The Arabic channel, not surprisingly, is aimed squarely at an Arab audience and prides itself on giving voice to a wide range of perspectives from throughout the region. The result? At times it airs the views of extremists, "sometimes without challenging them as much as they should," Nisbet says. "There are definitely some biases in that they are an Arabic channel for Arab audiences."

And yes, there is anti-Semitism, Nisbet adds. "Unfortunately in Arabic political discourse there is a great deal of anti-Semitism. The conversation there about Israel and American foreign policy is very different from our discourse in the U.S."
http://journalism.about.com/od/trends/a/Is-Al-Jazeera-Anti-Semitic-And-Anti-American.htm


Hmmmm. Ahh, so its ok that other sources have carried anti-Semitic articles and that you yourself have posted articles from an anti-Semitic site, but you are demanding that only I have to stop using RT as a source?

In your attempt to paint a very one side picture of the RT news site, (you linked to a "satire piece" that was in inexcusably bad taste, a German talking head that turned out to be a neo-nazi and was fired, and an article about illuminate allusions?), you have ignored the tons of good articles from the site, including those that hold their own horrific past up for examination. Overall, RT is a reasonably balanced news source and compares favorably to our own state funded sites, Radio Free Europe and Radio Liberty.

Oh, and just for fun lets point out what Radio Free Europe really has been, from the Radio Propaganda article on Wikipedia:

Radio Free Europe/Radio Liberty[edit]
Radio Free Europe/Radio Liberty is a broadcaster funded by the United States Congress that provides news, information, and analysis to countries in Eastern Europe, Central Asia, and the Middle East "where the free flow of information is either banned by government authorities or not fully developed".[63] RFE/RL is supervised by the Broadcasting Board of Governors, alongside Voice of America.

Founded as an anti-Communist propaganda source during the Cold War, RFE/RL was headquartered in Munich, Germany, from 1949 to 1995. In 1995, the headquarters were moved to Prague in the Czech Republic, where operations have been significantly reduced since the end of the Cold War. In addition to the headquarters, the service maintains 20 local bureaus in countries throughout their broadcast region, including a corporate office in Washington, D.C. RFE/RL broadcasts in 28 languages to 21 countries[64] including Russia, Iran, Afghanistan, Pakistan, and Iraq.

RFE/RL was developed out of a belief that the Cold War would eventually be fought by political rather than military means.[65] American policymakers such as George Kennan and John Foster Dulles acknowledged that the Cold War was essentially a “war of ideas”.[66] The United States, acting through the Central Intelligence Agency, funded a long list of projects to counter the Communist appeal in Europe and the developing world.[67] The missions of Radio Free Europe/Radio Liberty were separate from Voice of America in the sense that VOA was meant to be the voice of America, reflecting American foreign policy and disseminating world news from an official American viewpoint, whereas RFE/RL has the mission of captivating people and stimulating non-cooperation in Communist countries.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radio_propaganda#Radio_Free_Europe.2FRadio_Liberty



 

uhnope

(6,419 posts)
28. yet another propagandist tactic--swamp them w/thousands of words of BS, whataboutism, & deflection
Sun Jul 17, 2016, 11:29 AM
Jul 2016

all to serve your apparent point that all the media is anti-Semitic so what does it matter if you link to RT and Rense.

Sorry, it's hilarious, blatant BS to compare such minuscule examples as an off-the-cuff gaffe by a BBC reporter to RT's pattern of anti-Semiticism like the long term employment & promotion of a German neo-Nazi as one of their fake experts.

Then you once again post the stupid wiki entry on RFE/RL as if that has something to do with the subject, but really serves just to increase the swamp of BS.

So, you've tried two of the textbook tactics: Attack-Never-Defend and Swamp-with-BS-whataboutism-deflection. What tactic will you use next?

You do realize that in using these textbooks tactics, it makes you look even more like your role is to defend Russian fascism, don't you? It goes along with your Kremlin CTs and support for Russian warmaking and occupation in Ukraine, and despite your "apology" about linking to the Rense filth, your refusal to say you'll stop linking to RT filth.

uawchild

(2,208 posts)
29. Avoidance noted. Lets look at THAT Economist cartoon AGAIN. Is it also RACIST?
Sun Jul 17, 2016, 11:42 AM
Jul 2016

Your double standards are obviously intact.

So, we both agree The Economist is anti-Semitic too? Right?

And all those other media sources too? That you ignored? Right?

*crickets*

Now you complain when articles are posted as evidence? It was important to post their text here otherwise I was afraid you would gloss over them. Seems you did that anyways.

Sticking your head in the sand, as it were, to salvage your argument?

That's like little kids putting their fingers in their ears and going "LAA LAA LAA I can't hear you". Ok, you won't read the articles.
Lets discuss a picture then.

That Anti-semitic cartoon of theirs from The Economist was simply UNBELIEVEABLY BAD. Right?
Showing Obama shackled, which I think is also racist, to a US Seal with a Star of David on it? Lets look at THAT again.
F*cking racists AND anti-semitic clowns at The Economist. GOOD LORD.



There, is that LESS WORDS for you? You know, the say A PICTURE IS WORTH A THOUSAND WORDS, and THAT is some picture, eh?

THIS is an incredibly antisemitic cartoon. Implying that Jewish people are preventing President Obama from working for world peace and nuclear non-proliferation. Its EQUATING Jewish people to the flag burning, angry looking mob of Iranian hardliners holding back that cleric.

Its also implying that Jewish people CONTROL congress. LOOK at that SEAL. Good Lord.

C'mon, say its racist and ant-semitic. You can do it.

I admit when I am wrong, and I apologize. Why can't you admit you are wrong now?

 

uhnope

(6,419 posts)
30. and...tactic #3! Accuse the other person of doing exactly what you're doing (avoidance in this case)
Sun Jul 17, 2016, 12:21 PM
Jul 2016

Are you actually trying to say the Economist is equivalent to Rense & RT, that something in a cartoon that was immediately removed by the Economist when pointed out to them, is the equivalent of RT & Rense history of anti-Semitic filth, of such things as RT employing a German neo-Nazi as a fake expert and then leaving his stuff on their website to this day? And that all makes your RT okay?

And now you to accuse me of being wrong about and avoiding...what exactly is unclear, since I've made no reply to your obvious deflection. Yes, you're a good student of this liar's/propagandist's tactic too, by accusing me of avoidance and "being wrong", when the subject you are avoiding is how wrong you are to post RT filth, to spread Kremlin CTs, and to generally defend Russian fascism. Shame on you, really. It's not funny or cute.

Will you try for #4, or just break down and actually manage a direct response?

uawchild

(2,208 posts)
31. Avoidance noted AGAIN. You want to say ONLY RT was anti-semitic, not The Economist as shown.
Sun Jul 17, 2016, 12:28 PM
Jul 2016

You apparently can't bring yourself to say that this cartoon from the Economist is anti-semitic.

"An article in The Economist examining the Iranian nuclear deal barely mentions Israel. So what was the magazine thinking when it published this cartoon to accompany the article?



The cartoon is clearly meant to imply that both U.S. President Obama and Iranian President Rohani are being constrained in their efforts to reach out to each other. In the case of Obama, the U.S. Congress is portrayed as the proverbial ball and chain.


But take a closer look. Two Stars of David appear, one in the outer rim and the other located directly over the eagle symbol.

Note that this is not an Israeli flag but a Jewish symbol. Is the cartoonist implying that Congress is under Jewish control?

Jewish control over governments, the media and the international financial system is a classic feature of anti-Semitism and the cartoon is, wittingly or unwittingly, promoting this trope.

This falls firmly under the working definitions of anti-Semitism from both the U.S. State Department and the EU, which specifically include:

Making mendacious, dehumanizing, demonizing, or stereotypical allegations about Jews as such or the power of Jews as collective — such as, especially but not exclusively, the myth about a world Jewish conspiracy or of Jews controlling the media, economy, government or other societal institutions. "
http://honestreporting.com/shades-of-anti-semitism-in-the-economist-1/

WHY CAN'T YOU SIMPLY ADMIT THIS IS AN ANTI-SEMITIC CARTOON? Good grief.

Because it undercuts your argument that ONLY RT is an unreliable new source, but not The Economist? They BOTH have exhibited anti-semitism.

 

uhnope

(6,419 posts)
32. #5 and #6! False Equivalence (mixed with deflection/whataboutism) + strawman
Sun Jul 17, 2016, 12:57 PM
Jul 2016

This is a classic example of the strawman fallacy liar's tactic:

Because it undercuts your argument that ONLY RT is an unreliable new source, but not The Economist?

lol that has never been my argument.

Your current argument, on the other hand, is that the Economist is equivalent to your favorite official Russian government source, RT, in terms of a history of anti-Semiticism, not to mention spreading BS conspiracy theories, generally lying, and employing a neo-Nazi as an expert and then leaving all his neo-Nazi reportage on the RT website--none of which you will ever acknowledge--and that make RT A-OK!

You're actually being totally insulting to the fight against anti-Semiticism in trying to whitewash RT by saying the Economist is just as bad, though it's really like comparing a pheromone molecule to a cesspool. But okay, if you want to play that game, just come out and say the Economist and RT are equivalent. You might as well, you've thoroughly discredited yourself so many times on DU that one more time won't hurt you now.

uawchild

(2,208 posts)
33. You can't admit the Economist cartoon was anti-Semitic
Sun Jul 17, 2016, 01:07 PM
Jul 2016

How incredibly sad.

There were other examples given by me of anti-semitism in the media, but you ignored all those.

So I picked ONE clear cut example, that didn't have too many words since you complained about the number and length of those other examples, that is OBVIOUSLY anti-Semitic -- just to see if you could simply admit it was.

To date, you have not.

LOOK at it. It's anti-semitic with the Star of David images in the US seal. We slam TRUMP when he pulls this crap with Star of David images and rightly call it anti-semitic too.



ADMIT THE ECONOMIST WAS ANTI-SEMITIC, or, simply expose yourself for being hypocritical with your selective outrage.

I have a strong hunch you will do the latter and continue to pretend only RT was wrong. Want to move on to the OTHER examples of anti-semitism in the western media that I gave? I would be more than willing to do that too.

It's obvious you will continue to avoid condemning this despicable cartoon.

 

uhnope

(6,419 posts)
34. do you even realize how dishonest you're being?
Sun Jul 17, 2016, 01:18 PM
Jul 2016

I can't tell for sure. Maybe it's your basic nature, maybe you are really unable to see what you're doing. But I think it's intentional and it's your role, since it doesn't seem so innocent & unaware when you operate as a defender of fascism, when you deflect from your support for the cesspool of anti-Semiticism and fascist lies at RT by finding a molecule of the same at the Economist, of all places, and then demanding a struggle session over it, all so you can try to whitewash what you're doing.

Either way, it's sick.

go west young man?

uawchild

(2,208 posts)
36. A MOLECULE of anti-SEMITISM at the Economist? Good lord.
Sun Jul 17, 2016, 01:28 PM
Jul 2016

You certainly have a way with words to make excuses for anti-semitism.

A MOLECULE of anti-semitism at The Economist.

Wheh! That makes it ALL better in your mind?

Good Lord.

uawchild

(2,208 posts)
37. German newspaper is accused of anti-Semitic propaganda
Sun Jul 17, 2016, 01:35 PM
Jul 2016

German newspaper is accused of anti-Semitic propaganda over cartoon depicting Mark Zuckerberg as big-nosed octopus
Cartoon in influential German newspaper Süddeutsche Zeitung

The German newspaper, Süddeutsche Zeitung, has been accused of anti-Semitism after it published a cartoon depicting Mark Zuckerberg as an octopus controlling the world.
The cartoon was published in the newspaper last Friday after the announcement that Facebook had purchased Whatsapp. Two versions were published, one with the caption ‘Krake Zuckerberg’, the other ‘Krake Facebook’ – Facebook Octopus and Zuckerberg Octopus.
In the drawing, the 29-year-old Facebook founder is portrayed with a hooked nose, fleshy lips and curly hair, features ascribed to Jewish people in Nazi cartoons.


Zuckerberg Octopus: The cartoon was published in Süddeutsche Zeitung newspaper last week and has led to accusations of anti-Semitism

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2567167/Cartoon-German-newspaper-depicting-Mark-Zuckerberg-octopus-taking-world-starkly-reminiscent-Nazi-anti-Semitic-propaganda.html#ixzz4EgkAU7kx
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The cartoon was ‘starkly reminiscent’ of anti-Semitic Nazi era cartoons, Efraim Zuroff from the Simon Wiesenthal Centre told the Jerusalem Post.

f anyone has any doubts about the anti-Semitic dimension of the cartoon, we can point to Mark Zuckerberg’s very prominent nose, which is not the case in real life,’ said Mr Zuroff who added that he found the cartoon, 'Absolutely disgusting!'

The cartoon depicts Mr Zuckerberg, who was raised Jewish but now describes himself as an atheist, as an octopus grasping at computers around him. In one of his tentacles he holds the logo of Whatsapp, the instant messaging service his company recently purchased for $19billion.

Jews were commonly depicted as octopuses, spiders, vampires and devils in Nazi-era propaganda, such as this poster from 1938
‘The nefarious Jew/octopus was a caricature deployed by Nazis. That was used pretty much as a staple by the Nazis in terms of their hateful campaign against the Jews in the 1930s. [An] exaggerated Jewish nose removes any question if this was unconscious anti-Semitism,’ Rabbi Abraham Cooper, Associate Dean of the Simon Wiesenthal Centre told Algemeiner.


Jews were commonly depicted as octopuses, spiders, vampires and devils in Nazi-era propaganda, such as this poster from 1938

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2567167/Cartoon-German-newspaper-depicting-Mark-Zuckerberg-octopus-taking-world-starkly-reminiscent-Nazi-anti-Semitic-propaganda.html

More anti-semitism from the influential German newspaper Süddeutsche Zeitung, hmmm? THAT paper seems to make a habit of it.

uawchild

(2,208 posts)
38. You once chided me for objecting to a story in Rupurt Mordoch's SUN newspaper
Sun Jul 17, 2016, 01:47 PM
Jul 2016

since I dared post from RT. Well, since we are discussing anti-Semitism and your double standards in regards to RT, lets look at some pertinent articles:

"Murdoch's shameful slam of 'Jewish-owned' press

There are things that I admire about Rupert Murdoch. He has maintained a lifelong commitment to newspapers, long after it became clear that they were no longer profitable. He has a feistiness at 81, when he could be happily sitting on a yacht somewhere. He now spews his opinions on that newfangled social network called Twitter, and since he's the undisputed kingpin of News Corp., who's going to stop him?

But over the weekend, Murdoch sent out a tweet that went beyond outrageous to offensive, truly offensive. He played off the worst kind of historical libel against Jews. And while he later tweeted a semi-apology, it's not clear he understands the magnitude of his hurtful words.

Watch: Murdoch's 'Jewish Press' Rant--More CEOs Spewing on Twitter
The subject was the violence flaring in the Middle East, with Israel mounting airstrikes in Gaza after a long series of rocket attacks by the Hamas government. The message:
"Why is Jewish owned press so consistently anti-Israel in every crisis?"

That's right, he said Jewish-owned press, reviving the old canard about Jews controlling the media. Who, exactly, is he talking about?

Well, there's the Jewish heritage of the Sulzberger family, which owns The New York Times and Murdoch sees as a rival. Beyond that, most major media outlets are owned by public companies: Comcast (NBC), Viacom (CBS), Disney (ABC), Time Warner (CNN), Tribune (Chicago Tribune and Los Angeles Times), Gannett (USA Today). The Graham family, which owns The Washington Post, isn't Jewish.
http://www.cnn.com/2012/11/19/opinion/kurtz-murdoch-tweets/

Huh, go figure, Rupurt Murdoch, the man that OWNS Fox News and the SUN said anti-semitic BS. Yet, the SUN was considered a reliable source by YOU.

uawchild

(2,208 posts)
39. MORE Antisemitism from Rupurt Mordoch, this time from Fox News
Sun Jul 17, 2016, 01:56 PM
Jul 2016

ADL Condemns Glenn Beck For ‘Offensive,’ ‘Horrific’ Attacks On George Soros

UPDATE: Fox News is defending Glenn Beck from the Anti-Defamation League’s criticisms of his attacks on George Soros. In a statement given to the New York Times on Thursday, Joel Cheatwood, a senior vice president at Fox News, said that the “information regarding Mr. Soros’s experiences growing up were taken directly from his writings and from interviews given by him to the media, and no negative opinion was offered as to his actions as a child.”

ORIGINAL POST: The Anti-Defamation League has condemned Glenn Beck for his recent attacks on liberal billionaire George Soros. In particular, the ADL condemned Beck’s comments about Soros’ actions and experiences during the Holocaust, saying that they were “offensive” and “horrific.”
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/11/11/adl-beck-soros_n_782420.html

So, you defended the use of Rupert Murdoch's SUN newspaper as a news source, and yet Rupert Mordoh Fox news pushes THIS disgusting level of anti-semitism. You don't think the same bigoted hand sullies BOTH news sources?

Funny, I don't see YOU objecting to EVERY ARTICLE from the SUN as you do to EVERY ARTICLE from RT. Seems like an incredible double standard.

uawchild

(2,208 posts)
35. Anti-Semitism Is Alive and Well on TV — 'Quantico' Proves It -- US TV that is.
Sun Jul 17, 2016, 01:25 PM
Jul 2016

...
It’s important to note that anti-Zionism and anti-Semitism are two different entities — yet the “Quantico” writers conflate both in Simon’s plotline. His quasi-terrorist colleague and ex-IDF bomb expert is portrayed as an ultra-Orthodox Jew, exacerbating the idea that his otherness is enmeshed with his inherent Jewishness, and enforcing the sense that “Jew” is synonymous with “antagonist” or, even worse, that Jewishness is the epitome of evil. Almost as bad is the writers’ shoddy research: Apparently, no one bothered to inform them that the Mossad — or its counterterrorist unit, Kidon — is not the same thing as the IDF.
Although you might be tempted to counter that Simon’s two-faced nature is on a par with his fellow NATs’ — all of them have dangerous, tragic or even deadly secrets — you shouldn’t; it would betray a serious insensitivity to history to dismiss the show’s treatment of its sole Jewish character. The character’s double-dealing and deceitful habits are the latest iteration of a tradition that delights in depicting Uriah Heeps, Fagins and Shylocks in terms of anti-Semitic canards and pogrom-inciting blood libels. The character of Simon is a modernized manifestation of “Jewface,” a shameful rendering of a caricaturized Jewish figure.


Read more: http://forward.com/opinion/327591/anti-semitism-is-alive-and-well-on-tv-quantico-proves-it/#ixzz4EggoiVu6


Huh, anti-semitism on mainstream US TV. What network is quantize on? Oh, ABC.

So, using your logic, since ABC hosts an anti-semitic show, it should not be considered a reputable source for ANY news? OK. You are saying that, right? You are not being hypocritical and holding a different standard for RT than ABC are you? lol Sadly, I feel that you will have an excuse or pooh pooh this and continue to have a double standard.

uawchild

(2,208 posts)
27. Why don't my replies show up correctly?
Sun Jul 17, 2016, 11:14 AM
Jul 2016

It shows me replying to myself when actually I posted the same post several times in direct reply to uhnope.
Hence the self-deleted posts.

How strange. Maybe it's something on my end.

rockfordfile

(8,704 posts)
11. People are using other "less reputable sources".
Sat Jul 16, 2016, 10:27 PM
Jul 2016

People are using other "less reputable sources". For example people are using Faux News/Sky News.

I agree that more reputable sources would be more appropriate that way the op has some credibility.

uawchild

(2,208 posts)
18. I will risk asking this one question...
Sun Jul 17, 2016, 12:06 AM
Jul 2016

How was I suppose to know that? Is it posted specifically somewhere? How did you know, was it because you have seen a similar locking notice about that site before? Personally, and this isn't meant to be an argument, I honestly never have. If I did, I would not have been using RT as a source. Thanks.

 

Bradical79

(4,490 posts)
41. I think it SHOULD be obvious if you familiarize yourself with RT
Sun Jul 17, 2016, 03:56 PM
Jul 2016

and have some ability at evaluating sources. But there should be some sort of list. Or explicitly banned sources should be unlinkable (that's how it works on another forum I belong to).

uawchild

(2,208 posts)
10. The comments in your link were excellent
Sat Jul 16, 2016, 10:14 PM
Jul 2016

I especially liked the one that remarked along the lines that crossing Putin is like crossing the Vatican, you turn up dead. That had a nice link to an article about the Vatican's former corrupt banker being found hanging under the Blackfriars Bridge in London. Of course, I wrote it. lol

cstanleytech

(26,291 posts)
3. I dont think banning Russia is a good idea rather the prior rewards should be stripped and
Sat Jul 16, 2016, 09:32 PM
Jul 2016

redistributed to the players from countries other than Russia that were competing at the time and would have won by the points awarded.

uawchild

(2,208 posts)
7. Russia should be banned for at least 4 years
Sat Jul 16, 2016, 09:58 PM
Jul 2016

Good Lord, it was state sponsored DOPING!

RUSSIA must clean up it's act TODAY, not tomorrow. It needs to put in place a more REPUTABLE drug testing system. Something independent, perhaps using labs outside Russia would certainly be a more SUITABLE SOURCE to screen their athletes.

cstanleytech

(26,291 posts)
19. Yes I know but the Olympics is about trying to bring countries together
Sun Jul 17, 2016, 05:50 AM
Jul 2016

and banning Russia as well as stripping all the awards from all of its winners for the years it was known to be doing this doesnt bring anyone together.
Besides stripping them of all of the awards is going to hurt enough because they cannot cover it up and its always going to be there but maybe it will help them strive to do better so they can win without cheating.

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