Dead Baton Rouge shooter attacked police on his birthday

[B2G]

Source: CBS News

BATON ROUGE, La. -- The deceased suspect in the deadly shooting of Baton Rouge law enforcement officers appeared to have attacked police on his 29th birthday, CBS News has learned.

The suspect has been identified as a black male named Gavin Eugene Long of Kansas City, Missouri, sources tell CBS News. He was born on July 17, 1987.

One suspect was killed and two others might still be at large, Casey Rayborn Hicks, a spokeswoman for the East Baton Rouge Sheriff's Office, previously said. However, Louisiana state police said Sunday afternoon there is "no active shooter" in Baton Rouge.

The Baton Rouge Advocate reported that two other men were picked up across the Mississippi River in Addis and were being questioned by police as "persons of interest."


Read more: http://www.cbsnews.com/news/baton-rouge-police-shooting-suspects-information/

[TheCowsCameHome]

1. *groan*

This is not good.

[Boudica the Lyoness]

2. It was not good soon as the police were shot.

What are you on about?

[TheCowsCameHome]

6. Wut?

[Boudica the Lyoness]

11. What?

[TheCowsCameHome]

12. What does "what are you on about" mean?

[Bernardo de La Paz]

20. It's the English language. The one we all use on DU.

"what are you on about" is short for "what are you going on about".

The poster was requesting that you clarify your overly-terse post as to what you are referring to as "not good", because it seems that you were more concerned about the effect of the race of the shooter and had not expressed any sympathy for the dead.

[TheCowsCameHome]

27. It isn't a good thing, is it?

Or do you think this simple fact doesn't make things worse?

And any expressions of sympathy, or lack thereof, - where does that come from??????????

[Spitfire of ATJ]

3. Backs up the "suicide by cop" notion.

[humbled_opinion]

4. So now the police will be even more

on guard... I suggest people being stopped by police just immediately lie on the ground in a prone position and follow every order, fear of life of law enforcement is going to be the operative defense.

[cstanleytech]

18. "follow every order" Well every reasonable order which is what I

was under the impression everyone was supposed to do

[7962]

32. You'd think, but look at that white guy shot the other day;

HOW MANY TIMES MUST YOU BE TOLD TO KEEP YOUR HANDS WHERE THEY CAN BE SEEN?????
Sorry for the yelling, but as i watched that video I'm just trying to understand why the hell people KEEP doing that? I've seen it SO many times!!! Just f'king stick your arms out and lay down!!!

[cstanleytech]

36. Oh I agree, they told him multiple times exactly what to do but it was like there was

a total disconnect between their simple verbal orders to him and reality.

[bullwinkle428]

5. Another ex-military guy - just like in Dallas.

[Person 2713]

8. Yes I was afraid to mention here but another young vet

[Overseas]

7. Reportedly affiliated with Sovereign Citizens

https://www.splcenter.org/fighting-hate/extremist-files/ideology/sovereign-citizens-movement

Recruits
In the late 2000s and early 2010s, most new recruits to the sovereign citizens movement are people who have found themselves in a desperate situation, often due to the economy or foreclosures, and are searching for a quick fix. Others are intrigued by the notions of easy money and living a lawless life, free from unpleasant consequences. Many self-identified sovereigns today are black and apparently completely unaware of the racist origins of their ideology. When they experience some small success at using redemption techniques to battle minor traffic offenses or local licensing issues, they're hooked. For many, it's a political issue. They don't like taxes, traffic laws, child support obligations or banking practices, but they are too impatient to try to change what they dislike through traditional, political means.

In times of economic prosperity, sovereigns typically rely on absurd and convoluted schemes to evade state and federal income taxes and hide their assets from the IRS. In times of financial hardship, they turn to debt- and mortgage-elimination scams, techniques to avoid child support payments, and even attempts to use their redemption techniques to get out of serious criminal charges.

Once in the movement, it's an immersive and heady experience. In the past three decades, the redemptionist subculture has grown from small groups of like-minded individuals in localized pockets around the nation to a richly layered society. Redemptionists attend specialized seminars and national conferences, enjoy a large assortment of alternative newspapers and radio networks, and subscribe to sovereign-oriented magazines and websites. They home-school their children so that a new generation will not have to go through the same learning curve that they did to see past the government's curtain to the common-law utopia beyond.

[B2G]

9. Reported by whom? nt

[christx30]

10. Trending on Twitter.

http://www.ekla.in/trends/sovereign-citizens.html

[B2G]

29. Well that settles it. /s

From what I can tell, there is exactly one source to this rumor. Pete Williams.

[dem in texas]

13. At the news conference held in Baton Rouge

I was in the kitchen, but listening to CNN, one of the police officials mention this. Wasn't paying close attention, so don't know which one said it.

[Statistical]

14. Aren't SCs known to be extremely racist and bigotted?

A black SC member would be about as rare as a black Aryan Brotherhood member.

[Archae]

15. There are black SC. I saw one interviewed on CNN months ago.

The guy was a total kook.
To put it mildly.

[EL34x4]

17. Clayton Bigsby?

[Archae]

21. I don't remember the name, but it wasn't the guy you mention.

[billhicks76]

28. Chappelle Character

[Lulu KC]

19. Not according to the article above

I didn't know it either, but apparently now there are quite a few members who are Black. Thinking about it, I think I know one.

[Bernardo de La Paz]

22. Read the excerpt you are responding to & your question is answered & your assertion shot down. . nt

[George II]

23. From the SPLC website:

"The movement is rooted in racism and anti-Semitism, though most sovereigns, many of whom are African American, are unaware of their beliefs' origins."

[7962]

33. If its rooted in racism, they wouldnt be letting blacks JOIN THEM

Hey, thats some kind of mis direction; we're totally against black people but to throw everyone off our trail we'll associate with them anyway.
I doubt it

[George II]

37. I would think the Southern Poverty Law Center has a pretty good handle on hate groups.

[7962]

39. Well, IF they really have a number of black members, they're not a bunch of racists

It just doesnt make any sense. They wouldnt let them in.

[LeftyMom]

47. They share overlapping beliefs but aren't members of the same groups.

https://www.splcenter.org/fighting-hate/intelligence-report/2011/%E2%80%98sovereigns%E2%80%99-black

What may be even stranger about Gaines and his black Fort Wayne cohorts is that the “sovereign citizens” ideology to which they adhere — a conspiratorial belief system that argues that most Americans are not subject to most tax and criminal laws promulgated by the government — was originally thoroughly anti-black. But its racist roots have been virtually forgotten by increasing numbers of black Americans who have melded it with selective interpretations of the teachings of pioneer black nationalist Noble Drew Ali, who founded the exclusively black Moorish Science Temple of America (MSTA) almost 100 years ago.

The core ideas of the sovereign citizens movement originated in the racist and anti-Semitic Posse Comitatus group, which roiled the Midwest in the 1970s and 1980s and believed that the county sheriff is the highest legitimate law enforcement authority. Posse ideologues argued, in effect, that God gave America to the white man and therefore the government cannot abridge most rights of whites unless they submit to a “contract” with that government. But black people were only made citizens by the 14th Amendment, they argued, meaning that they have permanently contracted with the government and therefore must obey all its dictates.

The movement of sovereign citizens — most of whom are clearly unaware of the ideology’s racist roots — has grown extremely rapidly in the last two or three years. And, while black Americans remain a relatively small fraction of the estimated 300,000 sovereign citizens nationwide, it seems clear that their numbers are growing. In the last year, more and more black sovereigns, including several arrested in Georgia and elsewhere for using bogus documents to try to steal houses, have been implementing the movement’s basic ideas and techniques, which have spread into a number of radical black nationalist groups.

That convergence may not be entirely surprising, given that the MSTA’s Noble Drew Ali taught that black “Moors” were America’s original inhabitants and are therefore entitled to self-governing, nation-within-a-nation status. (Many American black nationalist groups refer mistakenly to the people of northern Africa as black; in fact, the Moors were a mix of Arabs, Berbers and black people.) Today, black nationalists who see themselves as Moors and white sovereign citizens both believe they have key rights that pre-date by eons the present government.

[Igel]

24. That's the stereotype.

Then again, like many stereotypes there's some basis in facts, current or historical, as long as you don't look too carefully at details. It's just that when it's "not us" we're talking about, we usually over-generalize, and if it's a "not us" we've been told to dislike we proceed to attribute the worst properties possible.

They're not people, not individuals and not people. They're just cookie-cutter members of "that group".

[jmowreader]

30. Black sovereign citizens often call themselves Moors

http://www.rawstory.com/2014/08/sovereign-citizens-express-fears-of-lawlessness-by-rejecting-laws/

Your Moor bases his beliefs on two underlying principles: the Moroccan Treaty of Peace, which was ratified September 16, 1836, for a period of fifty years, is still in effect; and the Moroccan Treaty of Peace says no Moor is subject to any law of the US government or any state government. Moors also like Redemption Theory (https://www.splcenter.org/fighting-hate/intelligence-report/2002/new-multi-million-dollar-scam-takes-antigovernment-circles) a LOT; said theory says the government has sold your birth certificate on the stock market, but by filing a bunch of government forms in a specific order you can take it back and use the money therein to pay all your bills. They also believe 18 USC 31 - the definition of a vehicle as seen in the statute against truck hijacking - means you don't need a driver's license if you're not making money from driving cars. In short, they're standard sovereign citizens with a small twist: they don't identify with the racist origins of their bowel movement.

[George II]

38. They should call themselves Morlocks.

[Kingofalldems]

16. But didn't Fox claim it was BLM?

[George II]

25. They always jump the gun on things like this. Even Trump has already tweeted, criticizing Obama.

[Igel]

26. Probably not.

No evidence that BLM is violent.

One could claim that like many talk-show folk that the rhetoric of "us versus them" and "they're bad, we're good" ultimately goes to promote group divisions and foster animosity, but that's a different and completely "plausibly deniable" sort of circumstance.

[Crepuscular]

31. ...

Looks like the shooter had a radio and internet show under an alias, does not seem like the sovereign citizen claim is likely to hold up.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/jul/17/baton-rouge-gunman-gavin-e-long-cosmo-setepenra-marines

[LeftyMom]

48. Looked at his books on Amazon. It looks consistent to me.

There's a lot of overlap on the 5%er/NOI/Moorish whatever end of things with sovereign beliefs. And his emphasis on diet and weird overemphasis on the importance of melanin is TOTALLY consistent with that weird little world.

[Lulu KC]

34. Mental illness is not just for white people

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I always see people complain that when a white person does a mass shooting it's because of mental illness. I think it's safe to say that this is the case here. I see someone with grandiosity who went over the edge. Sorry for officers who got pulled into his vortex; sorry for BLM, which is getting blamed for this; and sorry for all who are fighting for fair treatment by police. This did not help.

[rocktivity]

35. It's looking more like a post-shootout shootout than an attack or ambush

http://www.wafb.com/clip/12598278/brady-witness-interview

He says he saw someone on the ground and heard gunfire nearly sixty seconds before the cops pulled up. If the person on the ground is the same person the cops claim is the shooter, how can he be the shooter?


rocktivity

[7962]

40. 7 cops dont get shot when a few guys are shooting at each other

They're going to try to get away. They shot a guy dressed all in black with a long gun. If a few guys were getting into a beef they're far more likely to be using handguns

[rocktivity]

42. 3 guys trying to shoot their way past the police

could certainly switch loyalties and hit 7 cops, especially if one of them had an assault rifle.

Last I heard, two people of interest were being sought.


rocktivity

[LisaL]

43. It wasn't three guys shooting their way past the police.

It was one guy who appears to have come from another state to do this.

[7962]

45. But thats not what happened. They werent called in for a shootout

[Statistical]

41. Maybe that witness didn't see the first cops to arrive.

The police say there was no active shooter, no second assailant, no non-police victims. They responded to a call of a suspicious person carrying rifle who opened fire on them when they arrived.

[LisaL]

44. No it doesn't.

[Judi Lynn]

46. Baton Rouge triple police killer was ex-US Marine

Baton Rouge triple police killer was ex-US Marine

Published
18/07/2016

A masked former US Marine murdered three Louisiana police officers in an apparent petrol station ambush, less than two weeks after a black man was shot dead in a confrontation that sparked nightly protests that reverberated throughout America.

Just days earlier, one of the murdered officers posted an emotional Facebook message about the challenges of police work in the current environment.

US president Barack Obama urged people to tamp down inflammatory words and actions. "We don't need careless accusations thrown around to score political points or to advance an agenda. We need to temper our words and open our hearts ... all of us," he said.

The gunman was identified as Gavin Long of Kansas City, who was 29 on Sunday. Long, who was black, served in the marines from 2005 to 2010, reaching the rank of sergeant. He deployed to Iraq from June 2008 to January 2009, according to military records.

More:
http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/world-news/baton-rouge-triple-police-killer-was-exus-marine-34891938.html

[Nitram]

49. "Identified as a black male..." Give me a break!

If he was white it would have been , "identified as a decorated Marine veteran." Pardon me while I puke.