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Purveyor

(29,876 posts)
Thu Aug 4, 2016, 02:10 AM Aug 2016

In Platform, Black Lives Matter Accuses Israel Of ‘Genocide,’ Backs BDS

Source: Times of Israel

Ahead of elections, umbrella group releases document labeling Jewish state an ‘apartheid state,’ calls for stopping US support

By Eric Cortellessa August 3, 2016, 9:45 pm

WASHINGTON — Following the Republican and Democratic national conventions, groups associated with the Black Lives Matter movement released a platform Monday that labels Israel an “apartheid state” and excoriates the United States for its alliance with a country it alleges systemically perpetrates a “genocide” against the Palestinians.

The platform, which demands “an end to the war against Black people,” marks the campaign’s first official entry into America’s debate over specific federal policies. In the past, Black Lives Matter has been noted for its protests against disparities within the nation’s criminal justice system that disadvantage African-Americans and other minorities.

The document makes 40 specific policy proposals, including abolishing the death penalty, providing free tuition to public universities, and enacting reparations to Black Americans, and addressed matters of US foreign policy in a section titled “Invest-Divest.”

Highly critical of the Jewish state — which it said “practices systematic discrimination and has maintained a military occupation of Palestine for decades” — the platform devoted a section to the US-Israel relationship. “The US justifies and advances the global war on terror via its alliance with Israel and is complicit in the genocide taking place against the Palestinian people,” the text said.

Read more: http://www.timesofisrael.com/in-platform-black-lives-matter-accuses-israel-of-genocide-backs-bds/



US Jewish Council Mad After Black Lives Matter Back Palestine

The U.S.-based Jewish Community Relations Council issued a statement Wednesday criticizing the Black Lives Matter movement over their support for Palestine after they called out Israeli "genocide" for Tel Aviv's continued occupation and systematic oppression of the Palestinian people.

“We are deeply dismayed by elements of this platform, specifically the co-opting and manipulation of a movement addressing concerns about racial disparities in criminal justice in the United States in order to advance a biased and false narrative about the Israeli/Palestinian conflict," reads a statement from the organization.

The group also dismissed the idea that the suffering of Black people in the U.S. and Palestinians are in anyway similar. “To conflate the experiences of African-Americans and Palestinians oversimplifies complex matters and advances false equivalencies that diminish the unique nature of each.”

The anti-police brutality movement issued its first platform and within it the group included a section on U.S. foreign policy. In the 40-page document, Black Lives Matter declare Israel an “apartheid state” which “practices systematic discrimination and has maintained a military occupation of Palestine for decades.”

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http://www.telesurtv.net/english/news/US-Jewish-Council-Mad-After-Black-Lives-Matter-Back-Palestine-20160803-0040.html
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In Platform, Black Lives Matter Accuses Israel Of ‘Genocide,’ Backs BDS (Original Post) Purveyor Aug 2016 OP
Genocide and Reparations Democat Aug 2016 #1
Too many progressive movements canetoad Aug 2016 #2
yep. Sounds like some orthodoxy is taking over BLM uhnope Aug 2016 #9
What's to take over? TipTok Aug 2016 #30
I've longed thought BLM to be bought and paid for by someone. romanic Aug 2016 #37
And the right will seize on this to use Justice Aug 2016 #11
Hillary is pro-Israel Democat Aug 2016 #12
Very counterproductive to their cause Beakybird Aug 2016 #3
Anti Israel is not anti semetic. Lunabell Aug 2016 #4
Complicated issue Buckeye_Democrat Aug 2016 #38
Message auto-removed Name removed Aug 2016 #45
Agreed Sgent Aug 2016 #5
You don't seem to understand who doesn't recognize whom. cpwm17 Aug 2016 #6
Agree with your entire post leftynyc Aug 2016 #8
Complete agreement here. There just is no comparison. JudyM Aug 2016 #25
Telesur LOL uhnope Aug 2016 #7
This is not helpful to BLM at all IMO Justice Aug 2016 #10
Wow GulfCoast66 Aug 2016 #13
Huh. Buncha folks don't like what black folks are doing. What a change. n/t jtuck004 Aug 2016 #14
Well, a bunch of folks dont like them doing stupid shit. Or anyone else. 7962 Aug 2016 #15
What if you said "Huh. Buncha folks don't like what white folks are doing" Democat Aug 2016 #19
Suggesting criticism of a black group is automatically racist, is itself racist. Apparently the JudyM Aug 2016 #26
No, not at all. The people in this country have always looked out for the best jtuck004 Aug 2016 #31
test 3 2 1, test 9980 snooper2 Aug 2016 #32
BLM starting to adopt laundry listism in its policy demands geek tragedy Aug 2016 #16
Perfectly stated. And perfectly on-point. 7962 Aug 2016 #18
Free Mumia Democat Aug 2016 #27
If Israel was really committing "genocide", there would be no Palestinians 7962 Aug 2016 #17
Right, because there are no more Native Americans... Odin2005 Aug 2016 #20
Right, and how many Native Americans routinely attack the rest of us? 7962 Aug 2016 #21
"assimilated into society" is a nice way of saying "had their cultures destroyed". Odin2005 Aug 2016 #22
Except that their culture hasnt been "destroyed" 7962 Aug 2016 #23
They did in the 19th Century and before that treestar Aug 2016 #29
No its not. And its been over a century since any happened. 7962 Aug 2016 #40
I'd humbly suggest that BLM stay out of the Middle East can of worms and focus on... Nitram Aug 2016 #24
The Movement for Black Lives? Lulu KC Aug 2016 #28
So much concern in this thread awoke_in_2003 Aug 2016 #33
What is their policy on Northern Ireland and Tibet? Throd Aug 2016 #34
You need to ask them... awoke_in_2003 Aug 2016 #42
Political leaders cannot support a group calling Israel genocidal Democat Aug 2016 #36
I see your point... awoke_in_2003 Aug 2016 #43
We can agree or disagree on Israel Democat Aug 2016 #44
Oh BLM has finally crossed that line. romanic Aug 2016 #35
As soon as I saw "Answer Coalition" providing the signs, I knew this was next. 7962 Aug 2016 #41
Their message is becoming diluted. Oneironaut Aug 2016 #39

canetoad

(17,200 posts)
2. Too many progressive movements
Thu Aug 4, 2016, 03:32 AM
Aug 2016

Have made the mistake of not being able to focus on their issue. They are diluting the message.

 

uhnope

(6,419 posts)
9. yep. Sounds like some orthodoxy is taking over BLM
Thu Aug 4, 2016, 05:32 AM
Aug 2016

Next they'll be denouncing "US imperialism" and complaining about "NATO aggression."

 

TipTok

(2,474 posts)
30. What's to take over?
Thu Aug 4, 2016, 11:22 AM
Aug 2016

Anyone can claim association with (or even leadership of) a group that has no leadership or policy or standards.

romanic

(2,841 posts)
37. I've longed thought BLM to be bought and paid for by someone.
Thu Aug 4, 2016, 03:43 PM
Aug 2016

I know it's not popular to stay, but the rumors of Soros and other wealthy elites using BLM to push agendas seems to be more and more likely imo.

Democat

(11,617 posts)
12. Hillary is pro-Israel
Thu Aug 4, 2016, 06:05 AM
Aug 2016

I would not expect her to continue supporting Black Lives Matter if they are officially calling Israel genocidal.

Beakybird

(3,333 posts)
3. Very counterproductive to their cause
Thu Aug 4, 2016, 04:06 AM
Aug 2016

As a liberal Jew, I find this alienating. If the Palestinians widely recognized Israel's right to exist, I would feel differently. Very complex issues. Genocide is vitriolic. It is a term the U.N. uses only in the most extreme circumstances.
This seems anti-Semitic to me.

Lunabell

(6,127 posts)
4. Anti Israel is not anti semetic.
Thu Aug 4, 2016, 04:25 AM
Aug 2016

The Apartheid of Palestinian people needs to stop and Israel needs to scale back their land grab. Palestinians ha
ve a right to exist too.

Buckeye_Democrat

(14,858 posts)
38. Complicated issue
Thu Aug 4, 2016, 03:46 PM
Aug 2016

I'm not Jewish, but I can understand Israelis being concerned about free access to Palestinians given past terror.

Most Palestinians have been in the region less time than the Jews, by the way. Most of them are descendants who arrived in the area from surrounding countries for work after Jews industrialized it. I mention that because the most common argument that I read goes like this, "How would you feel if someone invaded your land and then told you that you could only live in a section of it?"

Some of the expansionist tactics of the Israelis are uncool, though.

Response to Lunabell (Reply #4)

 

cpwm17

(3,829 posts)
6. You don't seem to understand who doesn't recognize whom.
Thu Aug 4, 2016, 04:52 AM
Aug 2016

Who it is that's stealing from the other. Who is it that conducted the Nakba and numerous other aggressive actions against the other. Who is it that is trying to erase the other from existence.

This has to be the world's worst indentity theft con-game game in history, which includes stealing victim status from the actual victims.

 

leftynyc

(26,060 posts)
8. Agree with your entire post
Thu Aug 4, 2016, 05:23 AM
Aug 2016

Black lives matters - instead of bringing people together to support their cause - is getting involved in something they seemingly know very little about. Perhaps one of them can explain to us how the Palestinians continue to show explosive growth in their population while undergoing a "genocide". Black Lives Matters obviously think they have so much support, they can afford to turn natural allies away. So be it.

JudyM

(29,294 posts)
25. Complete agreement here. There just is no comparison.
Thu Aug 4, 2016, 10:22 AM
Aug 2016

Blacks in the US were never staging attacks, bombing cafés and school buses, launching rockets. Use of the word genocide, against Israelis, when there is none, as inflammatory rhetoric, is morally reprehensible. And that's just at the most basic level of analysis, there's much more. I'm not suggesting Israel hasn't made mistakes and error judgments, but the "occupation" is a continuing matter of national defense originally brought on by attacks against Israel, far different than apartheid. This is a sad turn of events for me re: support of BLM.

GulfCoast66

(11,949 posts)
13. Wow
Thu Aug 4, 2016, 06:41 AM
Aug 2016

To think I really thought they were a grass roots movement.

Looks like they are actually being run by folks from the 'crazy departments' of universities.

 

7962

(11,841 posts)
15. Well, a bunch of folks dont like them doing stupid shit. Or anyone else.
Thu Aug 4, 2016, 07:50 AM
Aug 2016

They obviously think they are more than what they really are.

Democat

(11,617 posts)
19. What if you said "Huh. Buncha folks don't like what white folks are doing"
Thu Aug 4, 2016, 08:24 AM
Aug 2016

Sounds like Clint Eastwood.

JudyM

(29,294 posts)
26. Suggesting criticism of a black group is automatically racist, is itself racist. Apparently the
Thu Aug 4, 2016, 10:26 AM
Aug 2016

substance of the criticism is irrelevant.

 

jtuck004

(15,882 posts)
31. No, not at all. The people in this country have always looked out for the best
Thu Aug 4, 2016, 01:13 PM
Aug 2016

interests of black folk. Let us pay attention, then, to the content, for the criticism is most noble.

“The most monstrous monster is the monster with noble feelings”
― Fyodor Dostoyevsky, The Eternal Husband



 

geek tragedy

(68,868 posts)
16. BLM starting to adopt laundry listism in its policy demands
Thu Aug 4, 2016, 07:55 AM
Aug 2016

While they have compelling points on I/P, that has jack shit to do with people getting shot in St. Louis and Oakland.

Dilutes their message and starts to resemble the generic far left march. Only thing missing is a homemade "Free Mumia" sign though maybe I just overlooked that one.

Such moves push away 10 people from their cause for every 1 person they attract.

 

7962

(11,841 posts)
17. If Israel was really committing "genocide", there would be no Palestinians
Thu Aug 4, 2016, 08:17 AM
Aug 2016

Just another bunch of ignorant anti-Israel anti-Semitic bullshit

I knew this was where they were headed when I noticed their protests started having their signs provided by "Answer Coalition"

 

7962

(11,841 posts)
21. Right, and how many Native Americans routinely attack the rest of us?
Thu Aug 4, 2016, 08:34 AM
Aug 2016

If they were acting like the palestinians, they would likely be treated similarly.
Yet they have assimilated into society & work just like the rest of us.

Maybe the Palestinians could learn a lot from the Native Americans. Its good that you brought it up!

 

7962

(11,841 posts)
23. Except that their culture hasnt been "destroyed"
Thu Aug 4, 2016, 09:12 AM
Aug 2016

There are native american celebrations across the entire country every year at certain times, many near where I live. And they're not held on "reservations" either. We also have Native American history month too!

treestar

(82,383 posts)
29. They did in the 19th Century and before that
Thu Aug 4, 2016, 11:13 AM
Aug 2016

Now I don't think anyone wants to label that terrorism. It's not a perfect analogy.

 

7962

(11,841 posts)
40. No its not. And its been over a century since any happened.
Thu Aug 4, 2016, 04:06 PM
Aug 2016

Comparing the Native Americans to the Palestinians is an insult to the Native Americans

Nitram

(22,913 posts)
24. I'd humbly suggest that BLM stay out of the Middle East can of worms and focus on...
Thu Aug 4, 2016, 09:15 AM
Aug 2016

...threats to Black lives in America. This will only water down the message and give critics ammunition to attack them and obscure the group's primary mission.

Lulu KC

(2,574 posts)
28. The Movement for Black Lives?
Thu Aug 4, 2016, 11:10 AM
Aug 2016

I am not familiar with this "umbrella organization," which is actually the one that included this in its platform according to the article. One of its many members is BLM.

This doesn't sound like BLM itself to me and I believe it would harm them to take this stand.

This article from The Atlantic helped make some sense of it: http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2016/08/movement-black-lives-platform/494309/

Still very complicated.

 

awoke_in_2003

(34,582 posts)
42. You need to ask them...
Thu Aug 4, 2016, 04:11 PM
Aug 2016

what I am getting at is all the people in here getting their panties in a knot because they "dared" to express an opinion on something other than Black Lives. It stinks of "they should know their place".

Democat

(11,617 posts)
36. Political leaders cannot support a group calling Israel genocidal
Thu Aug 4, 2016, 03:37 PM
Aug 2016

So they are hurting their own cause if their cause is supposed to to stopping police violence against black men.

Just because they are capable of doing two things at once doesn't mean it's a good idea.

 

awoke_in_2003

(34,582 posts)
43. I see your point...
Thu Aug 4, 2016, 04:14 PM
Aug 2016

but at what time should people start pointing out the fact that the Israeli government has its own form of Apartheid going on? How long should we keep glossing over that fact? Our ignoring what they are doing hasn't stopped it one iota.

Democat

(11,617 posts)
44. We can agree or disagree on Israel
Fri Aug 5, 2016, 04:30 AM
Aug 2016

But if we agree that the police shouldn't be killing unarmed black men, maybe Black Lives Matter should focus on that.

romanic

(2,841 posts)
35. Oh BLM has finally crossed that line.
Thu Aug 4, 2016, 03:32 PM
Aug 2016

Not surprised, I've seen some BLM protests with people waving Palestinian flags before (the most notable one i can think of is that bridge protest in CA). I cannot wait for the Anti-Semi....err "Anti-Zionism" to spill forth from their mouths.

ETA: And I wonder, would any of the BLM activists willing live under an organization like Hamas? I mean, despite Israel's attacks on the Palestinian people, I doubt Hamas treats the Palestinian citzenry any better.

 

7962

(11,841 posts)
41. As soon as I saw "Answer Coalition" providing the signs, I knew this was next.
Thu Aug 4, 2016, 04:08 PM
Aug 2016

BLM has been corrupted by those lunatics.

Oneironaut

(5,530 posts)
39. Their message is becoming diluted.
Thu Aug 4, 2016, 03:55 PM
Aug 2016

Occupy Wall Street had the same issue. You need to focus on one area and message, or face message dilution. This usually happens with poor group cohesion - different subgroups within a group begin diluting the message by injecting their own causes into the main message.

To fix this, a group needs to focus on and push a constant and clear message. BLM and OWS did not do this effectively, imo. Both grabbed this nation's attention and then blew it horribly. This is BLM's last sputter before its inevitable demise. OWS died in a similar way.

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