Sources: Milwaukee police officer who fatally shot suspect is black

[brooklynite]

Source: Milwaukee Journal-Sentinel

The Milwaukee police officer who fatally shot an armed suspect Saturday is black, sources have told the Journal Sentinel.

City and police officers are about to speak publicly this afternoon about the shooting and the rioting that broke out afterward.

Earlier, Gov. Scott Walker activated the Wisconsin National National Guard on Sunday to assist the Milwaukee Police Department upon request in the aftermath of violence in Milwaukee's Sherman Park neighborhood after a fatal police shooting.

Walker said he put the guard on alert after a request from Sheriff David A. Clarke Jr. and conferring with Mayor Tom Barrett and Major Gen. Donald Dunbar.

Read more: http://www.jsonline.com/story/news/breaking/2016/08/14/calm-restored-scene-unrest-clarke-calls-national-guard/88716616/

[Warpy]

1. This doesn't surprise me at all

Quentin Crisp famously said, "Never run from the police because they'll catch you," the implication being that they won't treat you kindly when they do.

That was a much gentler age. Now if you run, they'll shoot you.

[Rustyeye77]

3. i'm a little surprised.

[cstanleytech]

8. Sorry but I had to chuckle a bit.

No, not about the shooting because frankly in this day and age most police shootings should be largely preventable if police forces would just enact better screening for choosing candidates and provide them with far better training but rather I am chuckling over the whole gentler age comment because that is just a myth we like to tell ourselves.
The truth is no age has ever been really gentle, even before humans the universe was not a gentle place and it will still be that way long after our planet has been consumed by the suns expansion and the sun is a burnt out ember in the dark cold void of space.

[Warpy]

13. Crisp had the crap beaten out of him in his younger days

which is why he usually included this aphorism in his performance pieces. He survived it while people who get shot often don't.

POC now and LGBTQ people in his time were faced with a dilemma: submit to overuse of force right then and there or chance running away. Unfortunately, running away now means "shoot to kill," something that should not be happening. This is tyranny.

[DorothyG]

17. I had never read of Quentin Crisp.

thanks for the tip!

[matt819]

2. This is what happens when so many police shootings are murder

From the information I've read about this, this situation appears to be one of those where lethal force might have been justified, and so the outrage that ensued might have been ill-placed.

The problem is that so, so many police shootings of African-Americans have essentially been extra-judicial executions, i.e., murder, that the first thought that comes to mind is, what else could this shooting have been?

So, this might be a case where the black guy stopped was really a bad guy, and the black cop was in genuine fear for his life and took the actions he did. But the community - Wisconsin has been ranked as one of the worst states for African-Americans - responded as if this was just another incident of police brutality. Which is not to say that burning stuff down and looting is justified in any case, but the rage and outrage is understandable.

[TheDebbieDee]

5. IOWs, you think the police have "Cried Wolf" so many times....

regarding police-involved shootings that when a shooting IS justified, no one is believing them?

If this is what you think, then I am agreeing with you! But I'm not sure yet that the shooting was justified...

[ButterflyBlood]

7. I did read in this case the suspect was actually armed

A bit difference between this and most such shootings we hear about. But we will need to hear more details.

[Igel]

14. "most such shootings we hear about"

Most such shootings, however, we don't hear about.

You hear 20 out of 250 and let's just stipulate up front it's far from a random sample.

[TheDebbieDee]

15. Cops aren't above throwing down a weapon

to be found near the body of the victim, tho.

[CRF450]

16. The pursuing officer had a body cam

And it's reported many times that it's clearly captured on video the man had the gun in possession while running and wasn't complying to the officers' orders.

Pretty sure they'll release the video soon for us all to see.

[Akicita]

24. I'm pretty sure the cops caught the guy, put a throwdown gun in his hand, told him to run for it,

then turned on the camera, chased him down and shot him.

[CRF450]

31. Can you just accept the fact that this young man was a bad guy?

The pics in this thread shown of him holding a loaded gun, and a lengthy criminal record makes it very clear that he's not a nice individual. The only sympathy he gets from me is that he allowed himself to do bad.

[Travis_0004]

35. I suspect (or at least hope) that post was sarcasm.

[CRF450]

37. Maybe so...

With how technology/advanced investigative work is these days (plus the use of body cams) and the fact that LEO's are much more scrutinized compared to decades ago, it's very hard for one individual officer to plant something on a suspect.

[Ikonoklast]

22. The cop had the same model handgun with same extended magazine as in this selfie?

Not in the realm of possible. The odds of that happening are astronomical.


link:|




Yes, that is a round in the chamber, that handgun is loaded.

[pintobean]

23. The same thing happened with Vonderrit Myers

He used one of the guns that he posed with for his Facebook pics. It wasn't a sub sandwich, like so many here continued to claim long after the facts were known. Hopefully, they've learned from that.

[Ace Rothstein]

29. I doubt they've learned from it.

Some posters appeared gleeful that there were riots over this incident.

[Akicita]

25. Not much good if it isn't loaded.

[matt819]

11. Yes

That's more or less what I'm suggesting. So when police refer to the Ferguson effect, the reality is that they only have themselves to blame.

As for this particular shooting, I guess we'll have to wait for more info. Any body cameras? Local cctv?

[glennward]

6. From what I have learned is that it doesn't matter the race of the police. Years of inhume and

injustice and police brutality all fall into the mix. The suffering of black communities socially, economically, and spiritually (not religiously) is something most of us cannot identify with.

Milwaukee is yet another conceal carry city, is it not? The prevalence of guns in black communities across the nation is just sickening. Held by law abiding citizens the guns are available to thieves and the mentally deranged. It makes no difference. We are a gun and violence culture. We glorify it!

Still, the answer IS NOT to burn down your own community which is the only binding force in your life. Neighborhoods should be bound by a wholesome desire to protect and promote your neighbors...see them as family. The cry is for help, love, jobs, respect, and justice that is all good...BUT until their is an equal cry for home discipline and home respect and self-respect communities like this will continue to suffer.

It is so tragic.

Positive vibes, love, and hope to Milwaukee and the people suffering floods in NO.

[Vattel]

21. In a given year, how many police shootings are murder?

[KMOD]

4. not relevant.

The issue isn't that white police officers are using excessive force against black men, it's that police are using excessive force against black men.

[7962]

12. It IS relevant. They also use excessive force against white men. Hispanic men. etc.

Its a abuse of force problem. Ignoring the race of the officer when he/she is black is just trying to make it only a race problem. Look at all the recent stories of white men and women being abused or killed. No, they dont get the same nationwide exposure. But they still happen. Its a "power" problem.
And continuing to ignore the fact that citizens get abused across the board doesnt win any more support.
Neither does burning a city when a person who is ACTUALLY armed gets shot. Screw that shit. And its an insultto the people like Eric Garner, Randell Scott, etc.
If you dont think crap like this happens all the time, you're not paying attention:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3629599/Shocking-dashcam-video-shows-officer-tasering-17-year-old-boy-long-went-cardiac-arrest-suffered-brain-damage.html

[Chemisse]

27. I agree.

It's about power; it's about an us vs them mentality of policing; it's about blue solidarity.

[Kathy M]

9. This is horrible that this is going on ..... Reform in needed through the USA.

Have not had the news on , first time reading about what has been happening in Milwaukee the last couple days .

I dont want to take away from what is going on ..... Have a question Is that the same Sheriff David A Clarke Jr . that
has been on FOX and spoke at RNC ? When I did a google it looks like it is , I checked facebook and Twitter page . Does anyone know who started the riots ?

Trump is scheduled to go to Milwaukee for show with Hannity on Tues 8/16
http://insider.foxnews.com/2016/08/12/tune-trump-joins-sean-hannity-full-hour-tuesday

Wonder if Clarke is in charge or someone else .....

apologize for being a little cynical it is a horrible situation for all .... just not sure if there is more there than meets the eye

[Red Mountain]

10. Whatever skin tone the officer enjoys.....

we need to insist on deescalation as the first choice. Not extrajudicial resolution.

[FrodosPet]

18. If someone does not feel like being arrested, respect their freedom! Leave them alone!

When they calm down, ask them nicely to come down to the station for a nice chat. If they are coming after you, either run away or accept the fact that you knew the job was dangerous when you took it.

Police should be willing to lay down their lives to protect people. Unlike their victims, they will get a nice funeral, while their family scores some insurance and pension money. They should never be taking a civilian's life, no matter the circumstance.

Amiright? Can I get a co-sign?

[Chemisse]

30. Sarcasm?

I hope so because a cop does have the right to protect him/herself, if the danger is clear and there is no way to de-escalate.

If this video comes out and shows that the victim turned toward the cop - AND had a gun in his hand - then I am okay with that.

[FrodosPet]

32. Sort of sarcasm

Not completely.

Unfortunately, in this well-armed nation full of special snowflakes who believe their desires are superior to other people's needs, public safety requires the police to react with deadly force. But the massive number of unarmed people shot by the police is clear evidence that they need to step up like their fellow officers around the world and use force as a last resort, not a first option.

[Chemisse]

33. There are embarrassing instances in which apparent cowardice cost lives.

Such as during Columbine, when the police were outside, both culprits were dead, and some of the victims were inside dying. One actually had to fling himself out the window to get help.

[CRF450]

34. Unfortunately it becomes the first option when a suspect brandishes a gun

How else can you resolve that scenario? From an officers' point, you're a dead man in a split second if a fleeing suspect decides to turn around and open fire.

[B2G]

38. Well he was shot in the chest, so

that kind of indicates he wasn't running away at the time the cop fired.

[PersonNumber503602]

40. co-sign...

[cigsandcoffee]

20. This alleged photo of the gentleman who was shot is circulating...

Can't speak for its authenticity.

[Dreamer Tatum]

42. "Gentleman." nt

[Akicita]

26. Not sure how to respond to this incident. Is this another murder by cop of a young black man that we

should be outraged about or is it just more black on black violence that we should ignore like we always do?

[Ace Rothstein]

28. It appears to be a criminal taking actions that led to his own death.

Rioting over a criminal pulling a loaded weapon on the police takes away from the credibility of the entire movement.

[Travis_0004]

36. It looks like a justified police shooting to me.

[Akicita]

39. Have we thought about requiring gun manufacturers to place a warning label on all guns

saying "Pointing this product at a police officer can result in injury or death"?

[TomCADem]

41. A Sheriff Who Called Black Lives Matter ‘Black Slime’ Is Speaking at the Republican Convention

With the "leadership" being displayed by the law enforcement leadership in Milwaukee, is it surprise that there is so much unrest.

http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2016/07/meet-anti-black-lives-matter-sheriff-speaking-trumps-rnc

Mark Humphrey/AP
Following the high-profile deaths of black men and women at the hands of law enforcement since Ferguson, Milwaukee Sheriff David Clarke has criticized these victims of police brutality and the movement they've helped generate. He's referred to Black Lives Matter as "black slime" and "garbage," and he's called Michael Brown, Eric Garner, Freddie Gray, and Trayvon Martin "goons," "criminal creep(s)," "criminals" and "co-conspirators in their own demise."

The frequent Fox News commentator, who is African American, will command a prime-time spot tonight at Donald Trump's Republican National Convention, where the evening's theme is "Make American Safe Again" after a two-week period when discussions about race and law enforcement have dominated the news following the fatal shootings of Alton Sterling and Philando Castile, and the killings of eight police officers in Dallas and Baton Rouge, Louisiana. On Twitter this week, news of his CNN interview and impending speech at the RNC was met with praise from many conservatives.

On Sunday night, Clarke appeared on CNN to discuss the killings of three Baton Rouge police officers. "This hateful ideology called Black Lives Matter has fueled this rage against the American police officer," he said. "I predicted this two years ago." Popular radio host Dana Loesch on the right-wing network the Blaze praised the interview on Twitter. Clarke's criticisms of the BLM movement include President Barack Obama, whom he has referred to as a "heartless, soulless bastard" for sticking up for some victims of the violence. Clarke also called both Obama and Hillary Clinton "straight-up cop-haters" for their support of BLM.

After the in-jail death of Sandra Bland in 2015, following her arrest during a routine traffic stop, Clarke excoriated the young woman on Fox News for using expletives while the police were arresting her. He defended the officer who, while threatening use a Taser on Bland, said, "I'm going to light you up." Clarke explained on Fox News, "We train officers to say, 'Do X or I'm going to Taser you.' But I'm not going to get hung up on that. I was more appalled by the language she was using. If she had been my daughter, I would have been embarrassed at the kind of language she was using on the scene."