Trump: I Would Stop Crime By Letting ‘Tough’ Cops Take Charge
Source: Talking Points Memo:
Pushed by Fox News host Bill OReilly to provide specifics on curbing violent crime in cities like Chicago, Donald Trump said Monday that he would simply put tough cops in charge.
So, specifically, specifically. How do you do it? How do you do it? OReilly asked.
I know police in Chicago, Trump replied. If they were given the authority to do it, they would get it done.
How? How? OReilly pressed.
You have unbelievablehow? By being very much tougher than they are right now, Trump said. They are right now not tough. I mean, I could tell you this very long and quite boring story but when I was in Chicago, I got to meet a couple of very top police. I said, How do you stop this? How do you stop this? If you were put in charge, to a specific person, Do you think you could stop it? He said, Mr. Trump, I would be able to stop it in one week. And I believed him 100 percent.
Trump, who has actively courted the endorsement of the national Fraternal Order of Police union and campaigned as the law and order candidate said that he would serve as a cheerleader for the police as president.
Read more: http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/trump-oreilly-stop-crime-tough-police
I don't think that a "top police" said something like that...
liberal N proud
(60,339 posts)I repeat, Trump has no respect for the Constitution.
He has many times proposed actions that completely violate the Constitution. It begs the question, has he read the Constitution?
If he did, was he able to comprehend the Constitution?
Stuart G
(38,439 posts)nothing more, ever..... not yesterday, not today or tomorrow..
RKP5637
(67,112 posts)The guy is an extremely dangerous individual.
Locrian
(4,522 posts)that SOME people DON'T confuse it. They WANT a dictator.
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RKP5637
(67,112 posts)bulloney
(4,113 posts)Then, when the dictator comes after them and their rights (and it would be inevitable), then they give you the "Hey! What the hell is going on?" reaction.
moonscape
(4,673 posts)niyad
(113,527 posts)barbtries
(28,810 posts)and that is scary as hell. why would anyone.
gg4usa
(83 posts)"When you have an attic full of raccoons, all you want is for them to be gone." He thought Trump would be the guy to do it even if you didn't like him. I never asked this supporter who the raccoons were supposed to be, but I'm assuming he meant Democrats and/or brown people.
LiberalFighter
(51,049 posts)They were at one time referred to as coons.
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TheCowsCameHome
(40,168 posts)He has no clue about what is in the constitution.
Bucky
(54,041 posts)Seriously, does he ever give his pronouns antecedents?
jtuck004
(15,882 posts)RapSoDee
(421 posts)riversedge
(70,285 posts)Bernardo de La Paz
(49,033 posts)avebury
(10,952 posts)Trump trying to turn them into the Gestapo. You can really tell that he is a disciple of Hitler.
duncang
(1,907 posts)But also thinks he would be picking all the police chiefs in the country? Dipshit you say you want to be President. You aren't running for Mayor of every city in the U.S. .
Democat
(11,617 posts)Another anti-American idea by Trump.
http://www.nytimes.com/2016/05/18/world/asia/rodrigo-duterte-philippines.html
True Dough
(17,314 posts)Stumbling over himself until he figures out who he can hand the ball off to, and it's usually not someone who should be trusted without oversight.
He makes asinine statements about how the country will be safer on his first day in office. How people will stop getting shot while walking down the street if he becomes president. He hadn't explained how this will be accomplished, until now. He's planning to give police departments carte blanche to enforce justice as they see fit. Civil liberties will really take a backseat under Drumpf.
mainer
(12,027 posts)He's going to replace them with real he-men.
mahina
(17,693 posts)Fascist SOB.
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MrScorpio
(73,631 posts)narnian60
(3,510 posts)Friend or Foe
(195 posts)underpants
(182,868 posts)I heard about it on Democracy Now.
Person 2713
(3,263 posts)Plenty of potential for his new guards here on the beat but Homan Square is a step up
From your link for some who are not local may not remember
Regardless of departmental regulations, police frequently deny or elide access to lawyers even at regular police precincts, said Solowiej of First Defense Legal Aid. But she said the outright denial was exacerbated at Chicagos secretive interrogation and holding facility: Its very, very rare for anyone to experience their constitutional rights in Chicago police custody, and even more so at Homan Square, Solowiej said.
Church said that one of his more striking memories of Homan Square was the big, big vehicles police had inside the complex that look like very large MRAPs that they use in the Middle East.
Cook County, home of Chicago, has received some 1,700 pieces of military equipment from a much-criticized Pentagon program transferring military gear to local police. It includes a Humvee, according to a local ABC News report.
Tracy Siska, a criminologist and civil-rights activist with the Chicago Justice Project, said that Homan Square, as well as the unrelated case of ex-Guantánamo interrogator and retired Chicago detective Richard Zuley, showed the lines blurring between domestic law enforcement and overseas military operations.
The real danger in allowing practices like Guantánamo or Abu Ghraib is the fact that they always creep into other aspects, Siska said.
They creep into domestic law enforcement, either with weaponry like with the militarization of police, or interrogation practices. Thats how we ended up with a black site in Chicago.
Thanks Friend Fr the link to highlight how he'd get it done
sinkingfeeling
(51,470 posts)white supremacist supporters acting as brown shirts.
Taitertots
(7,745 posts)We should never accept state crime as a reasonable alternative to private crime.
Bernardo de La Paz
(49,033 posts)William Seger
(10,779 posts)cyberswede
(26,117 posts)world wide wally
(21,754 posts)Bernardo de La Paz
(49,033 posts)neeksgeek
(1,214 posts)Still In Wisconsin
(4,450 posts)"A lot of people are saying, I'm hearing, I heard,..."
Same shit, different day.
bora13
(860 posts)"You have unbelievablehow?" is the other clue that he is naturally f*cked in the head...
underpants
(182,868 posts)This world is upside down.
William Seger
(10,779 posts)There can be only one.
colorado_ufo
(5,737 posts)We have a winner!
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)Moonwalk
(2,322 posts)...I know it seems backwards. Like the police should take offense and say, "Whadda mean we're not tough?" But Trump knows how work the playground mentality, and this goes back to that. He says, "Sissies are running things, and we need tough guys to run it instead." And the other boys on the playground think, "he's not talking about me. I'm not a sissy. I'm the tough guy who he wants to run things...." And that makes them all act extra tough and mean, because they want to prove they're not the sissies he's talking about. And they grab onto his excuse as well. "Every one's blaming us for things not being orderly. But that's only because they won't let us be as tough as we need to be..."
I'm not saying that all police will think this way. But it's typical Trump. He has to imply that the cops aren't/can't do their job (if crime is down, then why would voters vote for him rather than continue with the democrats?). But he is calling the police "sissies"--how does he keep them on his side? By adding, "You're not all sissies, it's just those running things that are. The best of you are tough, and we'll put you in charge when I'm elected...."
It plays well both to his base and to cops who feel like they're being persecuted, not appreciated and targeted.
Javaman
(62,533 posts)Wounded Bear
(58,698 posts)You're welcome.
MynameisBlarney
(2,979 posts)I mean seriously, how fucking far removed from reality is this guy?
narnian60
(3,510 posts)Mc Mike
(9,115 posts)the Black Lives Matter movement, while simultaneously attempting to 'appeal' for Black votes:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1017397941
Running in polar opposite directions, simultaneously.
matt819
(10,749 posts)I'd find those top police who spoke to Trump and fire them.
But of course that won't happen. It's been several years, and he still hasn't been able to fire the cops who shot Laquan MacDonald.
Of course, it's also likely that Trump was lying. Wow, wouldn't that be a shocker?!
awoke_in_2003
(34,582 posts)with any cops.
left-of-center2012
(34,195 posts)I want to see his birth certificate.
Iggo
(47,564 posts)As the saying goes, You can fool some of the people some of the time...
left-of-center2012
(34,195 posts)And the torch and pitchfork crowd believe that.
treestar
(82,383 posts)Does Donald even know what that is?
neeksgeek
(1,214 posts)Not those "other" people.
Wounded Bear
(58,698 posts)justified or not.
Oh, and yes that was
Cryptoad
(8,254 posts)ProfessorPlum
(11,272 posts)/pedantic
Jim__
(14,083 posts)Does this guy have any clue what the president does?
spinbaby
(15,090 posts)etherealtruth
(22,165 posts)MyOwnPeace
(16,937 posts)has answers, or at least ones with specific details.
"I'm not the mayor"
"I spoke to officers - they know how to get it done"
That's his dodge, "I don't/can't answer that right now because "BS, BS, BS"................
TRUST ME! (spoken like a Yuuge Used Car Salesman!)
This is the same thing Rob Reiner was pressing "Morning Joe" about in another post - trying to get detailed answers from him is like trying to pick up a greased pig (hey, that's not a bad comparo!)!!
narnian60
(3,510 posts)bucolic_frolic
(43,258 posts)yearning for Santorum because he looks so good next to Trump!
MyOwnPeace
(16,937 posts)who wouldn't be surprised to see "Little Ricky" come riding in to try to save the day!
vkkv
(3,384 posts)Iggo
(47,564 posts)Bernardo de La Paz
(49,033 posts)DallasNE
(7,403 posts)What "tougher" measures would he employ. We already have the highest prison population in the world. And that doesn't even count the likes of Michael Brown. Since you can't get any tougher than that, what is he talking about. What is unbelievable is that Trump doesn't even understand that he ducked the question on "how". There are never any specifics in what Trump says. Jobs and not more prisons are what is needed. But such deep thinking eludes Trump every time.
leftyladyfrommo
(18,869 posts)Response to Stuart G (Original post)
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sarae
(3,284 posts)tonyt53
(5,737 posts)sarae
(3,284 posts)He must think there aren't enough innocent black men being shot to death.
leftyladyfrommo
(18,869 posts)Number one is that he never talked to any top cops in Chicago. He tells lies like that all of the time.
Number two is that racist tough cops are what have gotten us into this sad, horrible situation in the first place.
LuckyLib
(6,819 posts)is to kick ass and take names. And he believes police officers should be the front line of doing so.
milestogo
(16,829 posts)because its standard procedure for him.
ffr
(22,671 posts)The crazy just keeps giving and giving.
mysuzuki2
(3,521 posts)Tommy_Carcetti
(43,191 posts)KingCharlemagne
(7,908 posts)Tommy_Carcetti
(43,191 posts)They were "tough."
KingCharlemagne
(7,908 posts)were actually charged and eventually convicted. Brings to mind the old adage that "all that is required for evil to triumph is for good men to say nothing."
christx30
(6,241 posts)Look at that casual indifference to the rights of those protestors.
FighttheFuture
(1,313 posts)Or SS Black?!
Hell, go for Orange!!!
truthisfreedom
(23,152 posts)They would be the second wave of victims.
uppityperson
(115,678 posts)put "taxes" on businesses to stay in business, etc etc etc.
faketweet says
kimbutgar
(21,180 posts)Minority report type or the brownshirt third reich type?
SummerSnow
(12,608 posts)He is advocating a race war
BadgerKid
(4,554 posts)I just get the feeling a lot of what Trump says is more about hype and enthusiasm than having a substantive plan.
robbob
(3,537 posts)Claiming that violence and crime were up because the police had stopped shooting unarmed men? Which apparently was emboldening the criminal element to go on a crime spree? The logic (apparently) being that cops need to be shooting down "suspicious looking" individuals to keep the criminals in check.
By that logic, kill them all and then you'll have no more crime. These 2 really are birds of a feather.
Koinos
(2,792 posts)bucolic_frolic
(43,258 posts)Frank Rizzo?
JustinL
(722 posts)There have been many articles in the media recently about a list of 1400 "strategic subjects" maintained by the Chicago Police Department. The police won't publicize the list of names or the criteria for inclusion on the list, but they claim that a very high percentage of shooting victims and perpetrators were on the list. It wouldn't be beyond the realm of possibility for certain police officers to be itching for the ability to simply round up everyone on the list.
Examples of articles:
http://www.nytimes.com/2016/05/24/us/armed-with-data-chicago-police-try-to-predict-who-may-shoot-or-be-shot.html?_r=1
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/opinion/editorials/ct-edit-chicago-police-violence-database-edit-0730-md-20160729-story.html
http://www.chicagomag.com/city-life/August-2016/Chicago-Police-Data/
Historic NY
(37,452 posts)a career Chicago cop, unlike the previous one. Chicago has been undermanned for some time. They are taking steps to up their game of the gang wars which unfortunately almost always involve gun play. They pay tremendous amounts in Overtime rather than hire more cops, its a stupid tactic that finally causes morale problems and decreases effectiveness. Many administrative jobs are being done by Sgts. when at Lt. or Higher should be doing them, because they lag in promotions.
http://chicago.suntimes.com/politics/chicago-police-department-civilian-hiring/
backscatter712
(26,355 posts)Gawd, Trump is such a shitstain.
Skittles
(153,182 posts)he is a sick, sick man
JonLP24
(29,322 posts)How does he plan on being the mayor or city manager and police chief in every city. Aside from it being a bullshit promise but wouldn't work micromanaging police departments.
Old and In the Way
(37,540 posts)We need to really do psych testing on potential police candidates and weed out the psychos, racists, homophobes, and misc anti-socialists that are creating more problems than they are solving.
JonathanRackham
(1,604 posts)Wolf Frankula
(3,601 posts)You know, the thugs with badges. tRumpsy, you've been watching too much TV.
Wolf