Federal judge denies injunction against California vaccination law for schoolchildren
Source: By Paul Sisson, Los Angeles Times
August 26, 2016, 3:15 PM PST
A federal judge has denied a request for a preliminary injunction against a new law that requires children in Californias public and private schools to be vaccinated unless they have a medical waiver from a licensed doctor.
In an order released Friday afternoon, U.S. District Judge Dana Sabraw in San Diego wrote that state Legislatures have a long history of requiring children to be vaccinated as a condition to school enrollment, and for as many years, both state and federal courts have upheld those requirements against constitutional challenge.
In July, a group of parents and advocacy groups filed a federal lawsuit asking for the injunction. It is trying to block the California law's elimination of personal belief exemptions, which previously allowed parents to enroll their children even if they weren't up-to-date on the full vaccination schedule as published by the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.
Sabraw's ruling will allow the law to continue working as it has, but the groups lawsuit against the state of California will continue. The plaintiffs include three families from San Diego County.
Read more: http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-ln-california-vaccination-schools-20160826-snap-story.html
NOTE: Importantly, although omitted from MSM reports, SB277 also applies to infants entering daycare and children enrolling in preschool (public or private) in California.
LeftyMom
(49,212 posts)HERVEPA
(6,107 posts)LeftyMom
(49,212 posts)Godhumor
(6,437 posts)obamanut2012
(26,137 posts)I loled when I saw who the OP was.
procon
(15,805 posts)I went to school in So Cal and so did my kids, and everyone had to be vaccinated back in the day. I remember how badly me, my brothers and sister suffered through one childhood disease after another before vaccines were available for them all. It was terrible and I would hate to see a little kid go through that pain when its so needless.
Its reckless and dangerous to do anything less, not just for the unfortunate children of these anti-vax parents, but everyone else -- children and adults -- they may come in contact with.
With daycare, I wonder if that includes religious groups as well?
proverbialwisdom
(4,959 posts)HockeyMom
(14,337 posts)the only schools exempt would be those on Native Lands. Sovereign Nations. Religious schools would not be exempt if the Religious Exemption was taken away.
SunSeeker
(51,698 posts)Recursion
(56,582 posts)A couple of years in the developing world deprived me of whatever patience I used to have for these dangerous cultists. To hell with their idiocy: vaccinate the children.
central scrutinizer
(11,661 posts)I went to a family reunion a few years ago. My ancestors came to Nebraska from Germany in the 1850s. Different branches of the family pulled out their family trees. Pretty much every family had lost children to childhood diseases. One couple had nine children. Only two lived to adulthood. Even diseases that were conquered late seem to have faded from our consciousness. I am 66 and I remember the girl who lived behind us had had polio and walked only with great difficulty.
lindysalsagal
(20,730 posts)We don't undersrand how bad things could be.
treestar
(82,383 posts)it seems, have no idea why these laws came into being and what a good thing the vaccines are.
proverbialwisdom
(4,959 posts)U.S. Panel Urges That All Children Be Vaccinated for Hepatitis B
By GINA KOLATA
Published: March 1, 1991
Frustrated by the widespread reluctance of adults to be vaccinated against hepatitis B, a leading cause of serious illness and death, a Federal panel has recommended that all children be vaccinated instead.
It is the first time that the Immunization Practices Advisory Committee of the Public Health Service has recommended vaccinating children for a disease whose victims are almost always adults.
Although the committee cannot compel parents to have their children vaccinated, state health officials normally require schoolchildren to be immunized according to its guidelines.
A vaccine for hepatitis B was licensed a decade ago, but it has found little use, even among health workers, drug users, the sexually promiscuous and others at high risk of developing the disease. Since most Americans who get hepatitis B are infected as teen-agers or adults, the benefits of a hepatitis vaccine program will not be apparent for about 20 years.
A New Approach
"This approach to immunize children to prevent a serious chronic adult disease has never been tried before," said Dr. Harold Margolis, the chief of the hepatitis branch at the Federal Centers for Disease Control.
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http://vaccine-schedule.ecdc.europa.eu/Pages/Scheduler.aspx
SEARCH BY TARGET DISEASE (31 EU countries): Age group "Child," "Recommended immunisations for hepatitis B"
Hassin Bin Sober
(26,339 posts)It was before I met him. It came up in conversation one day and he told me what he went through.
I ran, not walked, to my doc and got vaccinated.
treestar
(82,383 posts)I imagine the argument is that it will protect them when they are adults? Is it a one time vaccine? This is just arguing about details within the system.
proverbialwisdom
(4,959 posts)hunter
(38,326 posts)I'm glad my own kids didn't have to suffer that.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mumps
Most anti-vaccine cultists don't know what they are missing.
My dad remembers summers when parents were afraid to let their children out of the house because of polio.
Some of my schoolmate's parents, aunts, and uncles had been severely damaged by polio.
I'm on the autistic spectrum somewhere, with an Outback Onion Blossom side order of mental illness, but I know damned well it's not because of vaccines. Quite a few of my pre-vaccine ancestors were just like me.
My wife and I made sure our kids were vaccinated, and it wasn't always easy because we had no money at the time and had to navigate the public health system, waiting for the vaccines an hour or two with other families in the clinic's hallway, not even enough chairs for everyone.
Keeping unvaccinated kids out of school helps, but we've also got to figure out what's wrong with our society that certain people won't vaccinate their kids.
Maybe you can understand it in other nations, as when morons in the CIA used vaccination clinics as a means of infiltration, so maybe a lesser sort of that thing is happening here in the U.S.A.. The money-grubbing captains of the pharmaceutical industry and the FDA that regulates them do not inspire confidence. We ought to pass some laws that discourage the worst sorts of behavior by the pharmaceutical industry, and it might be inspiring to see a few big pharm executives thrown into prison and the companies they run shut down in the same manner as rotten banks.
proverbialwisdom
(4,959 posts)Re: Mumps (from medical site and Dorit Reiss)
http://www.democraticunderground.com/12512358948#post13
Re: Historical context 1983 vs 2016 CDC schedules (from CDC links)
http://www.democraticunderground.com/12512358948#post10
Danmel
(4,924 posts)This excellent article explains it very well.
http://www.newyorker.com/news/news-desk/the-mistrust-of-science
proverbialwisdom
(4,959 posts)Pediatrics
March 2016, VOLUME 137 / ISSUE 3
Childhood Vaccine Exemption Policy: The Case for a Less Restrictive Alternative
Douglas J. Opel, Matthew P. Kronman, Douglas S. Diekema, Edgar K. Marcuse, Jeffrey S. Duchin, Eric Kodish
Abbreviations: MV measles vaccine, NME nonmedical exemption, VPD vaccine-preventable disease
Efforts to restrict parents ability to exempt children from receiving vaccinations required for school entry have recently reached a pinnacle. The American Medical Association voiced support for eliminating nonmedical exemptions (NMEs) from school vaccine requirements,1 and California enacted legislation doing so.2 Although laudable in their objective, policies eliminating NMEs from all vaccines are scientifically and ethically problematic. In the present article, we argue for an exemption policy that eliminates NMEs just for the measles vaccine (MV) and is pursued only after other less restrictive approaches have been implemented and deemed unsuccessful.
Published By American Academy of Pediatrics
Copyright © 2016 by the American Academy of Pediatrics
Author Information: Douglas J. Opel, MD, MPHa,b, Matthew P. Kronman, MD, MSCEb, Douglas S. Diekema, MD, MPHa,b,c, Edgar K. Marcuse, MD, MPHb, Jeffrey S. Duchin, MDd,e,f, and Eric Kodish, MDg
aTreuman Katz Center for Pediatric Bioethics, Seattle Childrens Research Institute, and
bDepartments of Pediatrics and
dMedicine, University of Washington School of Medicine, Seattle, Washington;
cDepartments of Health Services and
eEpidemiology, University of Washington School of Public Health, Seattle, Washington;
fCommunicable Disease Epidemiology and Immunization Section, Public HealthSeattle and King County, Seattle, Washington; and
gDepartment of Bioethics, Center for Ethics, Humanities and Spiritual Care, Cleveland Clinic, Cleveland, Ohio
Dr Opel conceptualized and designed the study and drafted the initial manuscript; and Drs Kronman, Diekema, Marcuse, Duchin, and Kodish reviewed and revised the manuscript. All authors approved the final manuscript as submitted and agree to be accountable for all aspects of the work.
OB/GYN Group Says Pregnant Women Have Right to Informed Consent and Refusal of Doctor Recommendations
1. The American College of Obstetricians and Gynecologists. Refusal of Medically Recommended Treatment During Pregnancy.
ACOG.org No. 664, June 2016.
2. McClain L. New ACOG Statement Says Forcing Treatment on Pregnant Women is Unethical.
Mothering June 10, 2016.
Open Journal of Pediatrics, 2012, 2, 228-235
OJPed http://dx.doi.org/10.4236/ojped.2012.23036
Published Online September 2012 http://www.SciRP.org/journal/ojped/
Vaccination practices among physicians and their children
Michael Martin1, Vahe Badalyan2
1Department of Pediatrics, Inova Fairfax Hospital for Children, Falls Church, USA
2Department of Gastroenterology, Childrens National Medical Center, Washington DC, USA
Received 1 May 2012; revised 3 July 2012; accepted 30 July 2012
ABSTRACT
The purpose of this study was to identify vaccination patterns of both general pediatricians and subspecialists with regards to their own children and projected progeny. A 14 question survey was sent randomly to 1000 members of the Academy of Pediatrics in 2009. Two categories of questions included 1) how physicians with children vaccinated them in the past, and 2) how all respondents would vaccinate a child in 2009. A comparison was made between the answers of general and specialty pediatricians. 582 valid questionnaires were received (58.2% response rate) of which 431 were general pediatricians and 151 sub-specialists. No statistical difference was found between general and specialty pediatricians on how they vaccinated their children up until 2009 (95% vs 93%). When asked about vaccinating a future child, a significant proportion of respondents would deviate from CDC guidelines, specialists more than general pediatricians (21% vs 9%). Generalists were more likely to give a future child Hepatitis A (OR: 3.6; 95% CI 1.3 - 10.4), Rotavirus (OR: 2.2; 95% CI 1.1 - 4.4), Meningococcal (OR: 9.9; 95% CI 3.3 - 29.9), and influenza (OR: 5.4; 95% CI 1.1 - 26.7) vaccines. Specialists were more likely to postpone MMR vaccination (OR: 4.4 95% CI 2.3 - 8.6). Safety was listed by both groups as the most common reason for altering the recommended immunization schedule. Until 2009, general pediatricians and pediatric specialists have largely adhered to ACIP recommendations, but due to vaccine safety and other concerns, both groups, albeit a higher percentage of specialists, reported greater numbers willing to diverge from these recommendations.
Misc: http://www.democraticunderground.com/10141392809#post38
msanthrope
(37,549 posts)Starry Messenger
(32,342 posts)MicaelS
(8,747 posts)Less woo, more science.
tammywammy
(26,582 posts)Godhumor
(6,437 posts)The way it should be
Unit 001
(59 posts)Anti-vaxxers are a special breed of stupid.
Delmette
(522 posts)If we all had more confidence in the FDA'S approval of so many other drugs that end up killing or disabling people because they are in the back pocket of drug companies.
stopbush
(24,396 posts)obamanut2012
(26,137 posts)proverbialwisdom
(4,959 posts)Last edited Sat Aug 27, 2016, 02:50 PM - Edit history (1)
http://www.kcrw.com/news-culture/shows/press-play-with-madeleine-brand/lausd-back-in-session-new-vax-rules-dual-immersion-programsGUESTS:
Jay Gordon, pediatrician @JayGordonMDFAAP https://twitter.com/JayGordonMDFAAP
Dorit Reiss, Hastings Law School @doritmi https://twitter.com/doritmi
LeftyMom
(49,212 posts)and sent her home to drown in her own fluids, so maybe he's not a good source of expertise. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eliza_Jane_Scovill#AIDS_diagnosis_and_death
Hassin Bin Sober
(26,339 posts)Well that really brightened my day...
Idiot denialists.
joeybee12
(56,177 posts)Thanks
longship
(40,416 posts)Ilsa
(61,698 posts)tymorial
(3,433 posts)onecaliberal
(32,894 posts)Too bad they're still a public health risk.
proverbialwisdom
(4,959 posts)htt ps://pb s.twimg.com/media/CEGU2IUVAAA0k3Y.jpg
C+P and delete spaces.
LanternWaste
(37,748 posts)You embrace the logic of cartoons, yet are currently denying the logic of science, medicine and peer-review. Hence, I'm not very confident you understand what the word 'logic' actually means.
proverbialwisdom
(4,959 posts)[center]I have Hep B. I am allowed to attend private or public school (or daycare).
I am not sure of my vaccination history, but I did not receive Hep B. I can teach in school (or work in daycare).
I am vaccinated for all required vaccinations except Hep B. Under SB277 I would not be allowed to attend school (or daycare).[/center]
Odin2005
(53,521 posts)obamanut2012
(26,137 posts)KittyWampus
(55,894 posts)onecaliberal
(32,894 posts)proverbialwisdom
(4,959 posts)American Academy of Pediatrics Publishes New Policies to Boost Child Immunization Rates
8/29/2016
AAP offers advice for pediatricians in counseling families to vaccinate their children; urges states to enact policies to support high immunization rates
Elk Grove Village, IL Most parents who are hesitant about vaccines are not opposed to immunizing their children, but rather are unsure or have questions. And the best source of answers is their pediatrician.
To equip pediatricians for these conversations, the American Academy of Pediatrics is publishing a new clinical report, "Countering Vaccine Hesitancy" in the September 2016 Pediatrics (published online Aug. 29). The AAP advises pediatricians to have compassionate dialogues with parents to clear up misconceptions around vaccines, provide accurate information about the safety and importance of vaccines, and strive over time to help parents make the decision to vaccinate their child.
To protect all children in every community, the AAP also urges state governments to enact policies that will result in high immunization rates. In the policy statement, "Medical Versus Nonmedical Immunization Exemptions for Child Care and School Attendance," published the same day, the AAP recommends only medical exemptions be allowed for vaccine requirements for child care and school attendance.
Parents, pediatricians, and policy-makers all have a role here in protecting children from diseases like measles and whooping cough, said AAP President Benard P. Dreyer, MD, FAAP. As pediatricians, we care about every individual child in our practices, and we know that vaccines are an important way to protect them from disease. We also care about the broader communities where our patients live, play and learn, and high immunization rates are critical to keeping disease outbreaks at bay. No child should have to suffer through a disease that could have been prevented by a vaccine.
According to the AAP, non-medical exemption laws have failed.
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http://pediatrics.aappublications.org/content/early/2016/08/25/peds.2016-2145