Mexico threatens to cancel treaty that ceded Texas and California to US if Trump gets elected

[DonViejo]

Source: RawStory/The Telegraph

While Republican presidential candidate Donald Trump might have taken a victory lap after his meeting with Mexican President Enrique Peña Nieto, those south of the U.S. border are not.

Finance Minister Luis Videgaray resigned Wednesday, after backlash from the invitation to Trump to meet with Peña Nieto. Now, Mexican Senator Armando Rios Piter is proposing legislation that could put Mexico in conflict with the United States.

“It was a historic error for our president to invite a person like that to our country. Mr Trump used us as a campaign tool,” the senator told the Telegraph. In the past, Trump has threatened to cancel the North American Free Trade Agreement (NAFTA), claiming it was bad policy that hurt the U.S. manufacturing industry. If Trump were to do this, however, Piter’s bill would trigger a review and possible cancelation of all of the bilateral agreements between Mexico and the U.S.

The bill Piter is proposing would specifically cancel the 1848 Treaty of Guadalupe Hidalgo, which ended the Mexican-American War and ceded Texas and California as well as parts of Arizona, Colorado, New Mexico, Nevada, Utah and Wyoming to the U.S. if Trump cancels NAFTA.

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Read more: http://www.rawstory.com/2016/09/mexico-threatens-to-cancel-treaty-that-ceded-texas-and-california-to-us-if-trump-gets-elected/

[misterhighwasted]

1. Considering all the Foreign Investments in those States, Trump is now a walking

Global Catastrophy..like a Nuke bomb sitting ready, and Trump's tiny hand rests next to the Red Button..tapping those tiny fingers..

[lark]

7. It's the tiny brain behind the freakish hands that's truly scary!

[misterhighwasted]

32. Like they say.."tiny hands, tiny brain"

[turbinetree]

43. I think its a grain of sand between the ears and that giving him credit

the grain of sand is smarter

[niyad]

85. you are absolutely correct

[turbinetree]

88. Thank you

[Lifelong Protester]

2. Too much!

[TygrBright]

3. WONDERFUL! I wouldn't even have to emigrate to Canada, which is COLD, yanno. n/t

[Cal33]

35. Vancouver is not too cold in winter, and not too hot in summer.

[Warpy]

58. It's also ridiculously expensive

and slowly being turned into a ghost town with real estate bid up by absentee Chinese owners.

[Warpy]

57. I'm seeing the up side also

Mexico has national health insurance, although it's not yet universal. They'll also work to get all those semiauto pistols off the street since they've got strict gun control laws.

I'll get used to speaking Spanish.

[awoke_in_2003]

67. Then there's the drug cartels

And if Mexico seriously tried to do this, they would be squashed like bugs.

[Warpy]

69. Nah, nothing much would change

unless Mexico declared an end to the drug war. The cartels are already here and have the southwest pretty well carved up.

[awoke_in_2003]

89. I haven't spent any time in south Texas...

but you're probably right.

[geomon666]

4. I like this

“We can’t take a partisan view of this,” says Sen. Piter. “All parties in the senate are in agreement that Mexico needs to stand up for itself and strengthen its relationship with the United States. We want to shut Trump’s mouth, which has been spewing this hateful speech.”

[lark]

5. If drumpf wins and Mexico invalidates the treaties -

that's where I will move. I will not live long in a US that's heading full tilt towards fascism under the new furhuer (sp?). Of course, I really don't think either of those things is likely, but I do fear the former and laugh at the later. I don't think he can win on his own merits, but the fucking press, aka msm talking heads, are do everything humanly possible to elect him. Lauer's bias was front and center, he practically licked up Drumpf, all softball stupidly easy questions, no calling out the total lies, no questions about drumpfs true criminality (vs. her being called out as a possible criminal over minor gaffes) .

[barbtries]

9. well put.

100% with you. i could maybe just go home and move to Mexico at the same time (LA). one can dream.

[ronnie624]

16. The owners of the media establishment are committing crimes, in my opinion.

But I'm not a lawyer, so what do I know. They obviously feel no responsibity to the common welfare of our country.

[Native]

49. I'm with you.

[wordpix]

74. you're right---they equate Hill's emails w/Trump's bribery of public officials,

six bankruptcies leaving a wake of financial disaster in Atlantic City alone, not to mention other "issues" in other places like his Scotland golf course, Trump U., etc.

[ronnie624]

78. The deliberate false equivalence

is doing great harm to our political process and to our country.

[Judi Lynn]

93. You're right. You know it, we know it, and the media traitors know it.

They have sold out their honor, and destroyed the profession in this country.

[ronnie624]

97. It just seems so wrong

that a relatively tiny group of people can have such a negative impact on our political process, through the perpetuation of an obviously false narrative. A mass media establishment that has so much influence over a society, would surely have, at the very least, some moral responsibilities that come with that power.

[mopinko]

21. i might have to rethink texas.

the part that wont be underwater in my lifetime, but there are some amazing natural wonders in texas. i vowed to never go there, but maybe if it were part of mexico, i could rethink that.

some world birding hotspots there.

[lark]

22. The area around Dallas is gorgeous in the spring time.

Blue bells carpet the hills and are so pretty. Maybe the asshole rednecks would leave the state if it went to Mexico, making it a much more inviting place to live or even visit.

[misterhighwasted]

34. That's a great point! The Repubs would all move to Trump's New Fascist Amrica

And we'd be safe! Would we get automatic Mexican citizenship?
I better stay in Dallas and brush up on my Spanish.
Wonder if Mexico gets all the Texas oil & gas? Haahaa!

[awoke_in_2003]

68. Followed by

six months of hell.

[wordpix]

75. Texas has some cool stuff - country music for one and

Big Bend NP

[KingCharlemagne]

101. Ni beed to sacrifice your scruples. The city of Los Angeles is now

51% Latino.

[LS_Editor]

59. I got my passport book for the first time ever in March.

I'll be 35 later this month, and I am ready to take an extended vacation if Trump gets elected by the mob.

[wordpix]

72. meanwhile, Lauer spent 10/30 min. on Hillary's emails

This was supposed to be a Commander in Chief debate and not an Administrator in Chief debate.

[lark]

95. The msm just has it in for her,

plus they want a close race so dissing Clinton is how they are getting it. Lauer is a pig.

[loyalsister]

6. Considering our history of breaking treaties

I think this would be a great lesson if it only affected the government.

[barbtries]

8. it's like i said to my son,

how's he going to make Mexico build a wall, start a war? well it looks as if it could happen.

how can this man have even one supporter let alone millions? i'm baffled, and worried. GOTV!~!!!!

[sarge43]

10. California would be worth fighting to keep

Texas? It's all yours, Mexico - God help you.

[wordpix]

73. lol, let the Mexicans

take it and deal with all those T party 2nd Amendment folks.

[lastlib]

87. And they have to keep GWB!

That's part of the deal!

(Hey, then he could be arrested for his war crimes!! The US gov't couldn't protect him! This might have a slight advantage!)

[crazylikafox]

11. So if Trump wins, all of his supporters in those states could end up in Mexico?

How will it feel then to be on the other side of The Wall?

Wouldn't that make a great campaign ad for Hillary!

[GreenPartyVoter]

63. Bwahahaha!!

[packman]

12. You know what - I LOVE IT

What bravado, what moxie - Give 'em hell, Emrique - But, why in the hell would you want Texas? California we gotta keep.

[misterhighwasted]

36. Texas woul d be great..you know all the repub a-holes would head for Trump Nation

We would be FREE!

[Stuart G]

13. This one made me smile...

[ToxMarz]

14. Popping Corn.

[niyad]

15. I wish I could laugh at this, but I can completely understand why Mexico would do this. will have

to look at a map, and see whether my part of colorado qualifies.

[wordpix]

76. it's grand political theater and plays well at home

Here, we can laugh at the possibilities.

[niyad]

84. it reminds me, on a much grander scale, of the time when manitou springs tried to annex colorado

springs.

[SummerSnow]

17. Trump causing all kinds of crap

[wordpix]

77. see CPTV tonight, there were 2 journalist-experts on Trump interviewed

Very interesting stuff about the wake of disasters he's left behind in his business dealings through the decades, such as 6 bankruptcies in Atlantic City, not paying contractors and so on.

[christx30]

18. There is absolutely no way that

any president, even Trump, would allow Texas or California to return to Mexico's hands. Not with 168 years of them being in the hands of the US. You can't just rip up the paper and force the relocation of 63 million+ people. Not unless you have a military that can back up that demand. And Mexico really doesn't have that kind of military.

[PersonNumber503602]

37. I don't think anyone actually believe that would be the result of this though.

Seems like it's just matching Trump's ridiculousness with their own. But yeah, I really don't think it's meant to be anything serious.

[TDale313]

38. Maybe we in California could just break off on our own?

Ya know, since so much of the rest of the country gone batshit crazy? We could take Oregon, Washington, and Hawaii if they wanna come.

(Yes, this is a joke... Sorta)

[Retrograde]

48. Yeah, if we're gonna go back to 1848

and redo the Treaty of Guadalupe Hildago, we can back up a couple more years to 1846 and re-establish California as its own separate country - we already have the flag!

And Hawai'i can go back to being a kingdom if it wants.

[LanternWaste]

52. I think you're failing to see that the Mexican government is merely

I think you're failing to see that the Mexican government is merely responding to absurdity with absurdity. Your interpretation of politics and diplomacy through a lens of fundamentalist literalism is as reading the German word Kindergarten as an orchard where human infants are seeded and grown.

[EX500rider]

86. Hell the Texas Nation Guard & Fort Hood together could easily hold Texas..

....the Mexican Army has no tanks...and 6 fighter planes..and zero attack helicopters.


http://www.globalfirepower.com/country-military-strength-detail.asp?country_id=mexico

Ft Hood has 45,000 soldiers and serves as a home for the following units: Headquarters III Corps; First Army Division West; the 1st Cavalry Division; 13th Sustainment Command; 89th Military Police Brigade; 504th Battlefield Surveillance Brigade; 85th Civil Affairs Brigade; 1st Medical Brigade; and the 69th Air Defense Artillery Brigade.

The Texas Army National Guard is composed of approximately 19,000 soldiers, the Texas Army National Guard include the 36th Infantry Division, the 56th Infantry Brigade Combat Team, the 72nd Infantry Brigade Combat Team, the 36th Combat Aviation Brigade, the 71st Battlefield Surveillance Brigade, the 36th Sustainment Brigade, the 176th Engineer Brigade, the 136th Maneuver Enhancement Brigade, the 136th Expeditionary Signal Battalion, and the 136th Regiment (CA) (RTI)

plus:
Sheppard Air Force Base
Goodfellow Air Force Base
Lackland Air Force Base

[hunter]

19. It's actually not too hard imaging some dystopia where the U.S.A. disintegrates...

... leaving Canada to annex the north and Mexico the south, with a lawless bankrupt and racist land stretching between them named "Trump," a place where nearly everyone is a millionaire because a million Trump dollars won't buy you a pack of cigarettes.

[wordpix]

79. he will be selling off Trumpmerica to pay for his overleveraged biz deals

probably in Trump Oil and such. Take the oil---what, The Donald pay?

[Renew Deal]

20. Where is James K Polk when you need him?

[bigworld]

24. Could they, legally, do that?

[wordpix]

80. The Mexican senator is making a point: you break the NAFTA treaty, we can break treaties, too

It's brinkmanship.

Go, Mexico, call the Drumpf's bluff and see what a "great negotiator" he really is.

[deurbano]

23. Damn. Yet another APUSH exam revision.

[forest444]

25. Now that's friendly fire.

I don't know what exactly this Senator Ríos Piter hoped to accomplish with this stunt; but he certainly gave Trump and the GOP a Mayan temple-full of political gold, no doubt about it.

P/S (to the good folks at Raw Story): it's Ríos Piter, not 'Piter'. Ríos is the idiot's father's last name; Piter his mamá's.

[ripcord]

40. Considering that cancelling the treaty would have the same effect as declaring war

I think they have given him a shit ton of ammo.

[forest444]

45. Political manna from heaven.

Complete with inherent comic imagery of the kind most politicians can only dream about.

[Wounded Bear]

26. Damn, that would require a much longer wall...

[murielm99]

60. But where would we put the wall?

Does trump know enough geography to figure it out?

[MissMillie]

27. Doesn't this fly in the face of Trump's claim...

that other world leaders will love working with him?

Won't the news folks jump on this?



Oh..... wait.... e-mail server!

[wordpix]

81. this^^^^so true^^^^

[bucolic_frolic]

28. REMEMBER THE ALAMO!!!

When men were men and Texas was a country!

[Joey Liberal]

29. I'm with Mexico on this!

Yes!

[TexasMommaWithAHat]

30. Oh, bullshit!

1) We aren't seceding and 2) Mexico has no power to take us back.

The president of Mexico is just as crazy as Trump if he thinks he can get away with making statements like that.

[DonViejo]

62. Didn't read the article, huh?

The President of Mexico didn't make any "statements like that."

[left-of-center2012]

31. Old Mexico

[librarylu]

55. Nice.

Trump could just start his wall on the Oregon border.

[Thinkingabout]

33. Now, this isn't nice, as a Texan by choice, against the wall, for immigration reform, against those

claiming Texas can secede, I am an proud American, plan to stay this way, a proud Democrat and a strong Hillary supporter, let's just GOTV and get Hillary elected.

[LisaM]

39. There is precedent.....look what Hugo Chavez did in Venezuela.

I work in the legal field (trademarks) and when he was in office, he did cancel treaties, and Venezuela cancelled its participation in the Andean Pact. All laws reverted back to the 1950s. This had an impact on trademark law - items that had a 10-year term went back to a 15-year term - and I can only imagine how much more chaos ensued.

[Initech]

41. Does this mean we get Mexico's paid vacation laws? Come on president Trump!

[democrattotheend]

42. They can have Texas back

But I want to keep California.

I assume Mexico can't actually just do that?

[discntnt_irny_srcsm]

44. Wouldn't that be exactly what trump wants?

A border war with the military on patrol and maybe a chance to simply annex Mexico...

[haele]

46. Breaking the treaty of Guadalupe Hidalgo -

Wouldn't that end up as a re-declaration of war? Over the actions of 50K or so f'wit "sovereign citizens". Of course, the Mexican American war started because of a couple thousand f'wit "sovereign citizen" Americans who decided they were too good to be Mexican Citizens and follow local law in exchange for land grants.

Those land grants were pretty big, too.
Always ugly 'Murican bullies who think they are entitled to everything for nothing, because "Gawd" or whatever.

Thanks Drumpf....

Haele

[Xithras]

92. Legally, the treaty can't be revoked anyway. It's just a fun discussion.

Theoretically, both nations were in a declared war until the treaty was signed. The treaty not only ceded the land, but rescinded the war declarations and ended the war itself. Legally speaking, revoking the treaty also revokes the agreement to end the war...placing both nations back into a state of open and declared war with each other.

On a more practical legal level, the Vienna Convention on Treaties states that treaties can only be revoked under one of three circumstances: A nation can prove that it was negotiated fraudulently (aka, the nations negotiators took bribes to undermine their own nation), the treaty contains a clause stating that the nations can pull out whenever they want (common in arms treaties), or both nations mutually agree to rescind the treaty. None of these three apply to the Treaty of Guadalupe Hidalgo, so it would be a violation of international law for them to try and rescind it. Mexico isn't going to go there.

[tclambert]

47. Wait, you can do that? Somebody tell the Sioux and the Apache and the Comanche.

I sure Native Americans would like to take back some lands ceded by bad treaties. I'm sure they would gladly refund the $24 to take Manhattan back. But I think that tribe went extinct. By "extinct," I mean undocumented European immigrants murdered them all. (Hey, maybe Trump was right about murderous illegal immigrants.)

[liberalmuse]

50. I'd totally move back to the parts of New Mexico they used to own.

Then again, I am closer to Canada and already work with some Canadians at my job. There's also that little island off of the coast of Ireland that is going to welcome US refugees if the worst happens.

Mexico would then be the 4th or 5th largest economy in the world with CA as part of its territory. If Putin meddling messes up our election and that bloated orange sack of crap wins, you can bet I will side with Mexico on this one. We'd pretty much be at war with the entire planet if, God forbid, the BOSoC is installed.

[geardaddy]

51. Maybe my state can go back to Britain or France (or Spain)

Or just back to Dakota and Ojibwe land

[Xolodno]

53. Hmmmm....

Obviously Mexico does not have the military to accomplish this. But what if they tore up the treaty and then recognized Texas and California as separate nations (which they were once), encouraged Utah to declare itself independent (something the Mormons wanted and failed at), etc. They aren't exactly "retaking" territory, but they could be a serious pain in the ass by stoking up secessionists...which a lot of the right wing come from.

[SwankyXomb]

91. There are a lot of rich and powerful Mormons

that would love to declare Deseret.

[6chars]

54. I didn't know this piece of history.

Interesting idea.

[Duval]

56. That's about as realistic as Trump building a wall.

[0rganism]

61. maybe they figure they can get a better "deal" from tRump

if so, they'll probably want to try for it before he builds his stupid wall

[demosincebirth]

64. We never honored the Treaty of Guadalupe Hidalgo, the way it was agreed upon, anyway.

[Igel]

65. It's younger than the Constitution.

If the Constitution is still living, then that treaty is also living.

It merely grew, it was reinterpreted. We're okay with that, I guess.

[demosincebirth]

70. A treaty is a treaty...like a contract between nations. We never honored it except for the payment

of 15 million dollars for almost half of the United States.

[Grimelle]

66. I know

that will ever happen.,,But it is a nice way to remind Trump and his cronies that Mexico got robbed in that treaty and that Mexicans are here to stay like it or not

[wordpix]

71. OUCH! and lol

I haven't read the whole article, just the first 4 parag's, but so far those are my reactions. So much for The Wall that Mexico Will Pay For.

[ThoughtCriminal]

82. You're going to need a longer wall.

Pardon me if I stay on the other side.

[roamer65]

83. Mexico would have allies.

A good chunk of Central and possibly South America, Cuba, Russia and China.

We need to keep Drumpf away from the WH.

[Coyotl]

90. Trump needs to apologize: "Ich ben ein pendejo"

[YOHABLO]

94. Why is everyone replying to this as if it could ever happen? Ridiculous.

[klook]

96. In a further escalation, Trump threatened to ban

Speedy Gonzalez cartoons if Mexico cancels the 1848 treaty. "I always liked the little guy," said Trump, "but he makes Mexicans seem cute."

The Republican candidate reiterated his call to ban the Cuban song "Guantanamera" as well as the Mexican favorite "Jarave Tapati," and called for all restaurant Mariachi bands to "self-deport."

[FairWinds]

98. Lots of misunderstanding above . .

folks need to understand that NAFTA is not just terrible for the US,
but for Mexico as well - and has all but destroyed the Mexican middle class.

Nieto does not speak for the average Mexican, who hates NAFTA.

In fact, all three countries (Canada, US, and Mexico) would likely benefit
were NAFTA to be re-negotiated.

As is, NAFTA is nothing more than a Bill of Rights for corporations.

[Taitertots]

99. Why would Mexico sacrifice several million people for nothing?

I say this because it would start a war that Mexico is certain to lose.

This must be from Mexico's Trump.

[roamer65]

100. Not if the Russians, Chinese and others in South America come to their aid. N/t

[GummyBearz]

102. And our allies would not?

Gimme a break. Its just as much hot air as trump blow out

[whistler162]

103. Well that is one reason to vote for Trump!