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[permatex]

1. Execellent

now maybe the cops will be a little more careful on how they treat citizens if they think they might be recorded. Your right, Occupy needs this for future protests.

[loudsue]

2. No. These tapes will just be made illegal, and not allowed into evidence.

Gotta keep the 99% in line, dontcha know.

[Remmah2]

7. I believe if the person is directly involved then it is legal.

If I'm stopped or detained and I record then the recording is good. If I'm acting as an outside party then the law may be different.

[greiner3]

13. Great job of supporting;

The A.L.C.U.!!!!!!!!

[permatex]

15. I wonder if the A.C.L.U. could set it up to have the recording

go straight to a secure site at their headquarters just in case the cops decide to confiscate or otherwise destroy the phone. I don't trust cops in the least.

[davepdx]

16. This is not exactly what you wanted

but there is a free app (Android and Apple) called "QIK Video" that will automatically upload a video to their cloud site (up to 25 recordings I think), even while recording live video. There is at least one (can't remember the name) other Android app that provides this capability.
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.qik.android&hl=en

[permatex]

18. Thanks.

It's better than nothing. I'm sick and tired of cops thinking that they are above the law and all we are, are potential suspects. I know this because for 30+ years, in my job capacity, I had to work with the cops and I have 2 relatives in LE and they have the same attitude. This new app. is a good thing in my opinion.

[freshwest]

24. In the Bush era, demonstration coverage was protected was by uploading directly to youtube.

Once it was there, it was multipled. A person could be holding up their cellphone as if in a conversation but recording video. If the equipment was taken away it was already there. As Bloomberg said when asked why he was not more aggressive with OWS in 2011, as if he wasn't enough, he answered simply, 'Youtube.'

Some PDs started trying to confiscate cellphones and this could still have that vulnerability. Your idea is much better, though than the time involved with youtube and livesteam.

But at times communications are cut off, like the Twitter, etc. And Livestream for Occupy goes down, not certain if it is systematic or if witness's equipment is going down. Cellphone coverage could be interupted. It's something to think about. ACLU hworked to allow people to demonstrate; it just never seems enough.

[The Stranger]

20. Care to tell us under what provision they would be made illegal?

These would be clearly admissible under the Law of Evidence as well as any known rules of evidence.

[Hassin Bin Sober]

25. Um, they are illegal in many jurisdictions.

Police are alleging these tapes are "wire taps"... that's right. If you tape a cop on a public street you are guilty of wire tapping laws.

At least that is the case here in Illinois. The cops are saying the audio portion is tapping a conversation. Illinois specifically removed the "tapping a public official in their duties" provision to protect the pigs.

I believe any illegal "wire taps" would be inadmissible.

[snot]

4. K&R'd.

[truth2power]

5. Good for the ACLU. About time the police had to play by their own rules...

If they're not doing anything wrong, why should they complain about being videotaped or recorded? Hmmm??

too

[Plucketeer]

11. And beyond that.....

if a recorded event was evidence of an officers professionalism, couldn't that be used as justification for a promotion?

[truth2power]

19. Of course! I'm not opposed to giving credit where it's due. eom

[davidpdx]

6. I can see this being used in other places including overseas

Wouldn't it be great if you could get that on an iPhone in China.

[davidpdx]

26. I hear you

I don't have one either. Most of my spoiled Chinese students had iPhones.

[GodlessBiker]

10. Most excellent!

[PADemD]

12. I hope it's available for people who still have 3G.

[greiner3]

14. I could only find the app;

Available for the Android?!?

[davepdx]

17. Here's the Android link

https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=org.aclunj.policetape

[jimmil]

21. Why is it...

When you see something on the news (or elsewhere) where someone is videoing an embarrassing arrest the first thing a cop says is that it is against the law for a citizen to be recording the arrest taking place. I always wondered how that worked and never thought for a second that was really the law. However, in the situation of a citizen videoing an arrest you usually see the camera being snatched away and the person doing it shoved back being told to leave.

[freshwest]

22. There's a thread on a couple who were put on 'wanted' posters by NYPD for filming..

This is a new level of transparency. Many police in the past didn't fear what they did being observed in public. Then the nation went into SWAT and undercover for 'drugs' and 'terrorism' and hiding behind their gear. This is an interesting development, but the leadership at the top that gives the orders has got some explaining to do about these actions, too, or they will just keep going. This is so emblematic of our era, that 'they' are watching us and 'we' are watching 'them' now, too. And things do change when they are being observed, or stop to take the time to look back, normally.

[bvar22]

23. Great News

NOW,
all we need is our own Surveillance Drones!

Even a rumor of privately owned Surveillance Drones would be effective if
a few remote controlled planes and copters showed up over protests.

[Fantastic Anarchist]

27. This is right up my alley!

recced!