Taliban publicly execute woman near Kabul: officials
Source: Reuters
A man Afghan officials say is a member of the Taliban shot dead a woman accused of adultery in front of a crowd near Kabul, a video obtained by Reuters showed, a sign that the austere Islamist group dictates law even near the Afghan capital.
In the three-minute video, a turban-clad man approaches a woman kneeling in the dirt and shoots her five times at close range with an automatic rifle, to cheers of jubilation from the 150 or so men watching in a village in Parwan province.
"Allah warns us not to get close to adultery because it's the wrong way," another man says as the shooter gets closer to the woman. "It is the order of Allah that she be executed".
Provincial Governor Basir Salangi said the video, obtained on Saturday, was shot a week ago in the village of Qimchok in Shinwari district, about an hour's drive from Kabul.
Read more: http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/07/07/us-afghanistan-taliban-woman-idUSBRE8660C320120707
limpyhobbler
(8,244 posts)may3rd
(593 posts).....spectators chanted: "Long live the Afghan mujahideen!", a name the Taliban use for themselves. The Taliban could not be reached for comment.
Despite the presence of over 130,000 foreign troops and 300,000 Afghan soldiers and police, the Taliban have managed to resurge beyond their traditional bastions of the south and east, extending their reach into once more peaceful areas like Parwan.
Afghan women have won back basic rights in education, voting and work since the Taliban, who deemed those rights un-Islamic, were toppled by US-backed Afghan forces in late 2001.
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http://www.aljazeera.com/news/asia/2012/07/201277222459392722.html
I suppose it is change we can all believe in.
Adultery is normally punishable by stoning to death . The swift death delivered by a bullet is a change in allahs dealing with women it seems.
atreides1
(16,093 posts)Like Paul Ryan saying that our rights come from God...the only difference is that Ryan's bat shit craziness hasn't killed anyone...YET!
csziggy
(34,137 posts)Uninsured, working-age Americans have 40 percent higher death risk than privately insured counterparts
By David Cecere
Cambridge Health Alliance
Thursday, September 17, 2009
HealthMed
Nearly 45,000 annual deaths are associated with lack of health insurance, according to a new study published online today by the American Journal of Public Health. That figure is about two and a half times higher than an estimate from the Institute of Medicine (IOM) in 2002.
The study, conducted at Harvard Medical School and Cambridge Health Alliance, found that uninsured, working-age Americans have a 40 percent higher risk of death than their privately insured counterparts, up from a 25 percent excess death rate found in 1993.
The uninsured have a higher risk of death when compared to the privately insured, even after taking into account socioeconomics, health behaviors, and baseline health, said lead author Andrew Wilper, M.D., who currently teaches at the University of Washington School of Medicine. We doctors have many new ways to prevent deaths from hypertension, diabetes, and heart disease but only if patients can get into our offices and afford their medications.
The study, which analyzed data from national surveys carried out by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC), assessed death rates after taking into account education, income, and many other factors, including smoking, drinking, and obesity. It estimated that lack of health insurance causes 44,789 excess deaths annually.
http://news.harvard.edu/gazette/story/2009/09/new-study-finds-45000-deaths-annually-linked-to-lack-of-health-coverage/
And that's only lack of insurance. There are many other ways that GOP policies and Ryan's political efforts kill people - malnutrition when they cut food assistance programs, exposure from homelessness because of lack of outreach programs, deaths from utilities being shutoff when assistance programs are unfunded, the list goes on and on. And of course denying women abortions even when they are medically recommended kill women.
Maybe the GOP and Paul Ryan are not out there with guns shooting people in the head but their policies KILL people in this country and overseas every single day.
NYC_SKP
(68,644 posts)Our military presence there notwithstanding, the "change we can all believe in" is most succinctly felt here at home, with our health care for example, and I happen to think that President Obama is doing a terrific job.
freshwest
(53,661 posts)may3rd
(593 posts)has jurisdiction over the culture of one billion peoples spin on law ?
But then, who are we to judge cultures based on our own beliefs ?
We never were into nation building, leave them to their 7th century gods, time to get out.
What a shame we couldn't pull them up a few centuries.
obamanut2012
(26,137 posts)"I suppose it is change we can all believe in."
Hmmmm...?
NYC_SKP
(68,644 posts)FFS.
Shadowflash
(1,536 posts)Not.
Canuckistanian
(42,290 posts)That is, when it's not killing people or dictating how EVERYONE should live their lives.
Swede Atlanta
(3,596 posts)this is what the Taliban was doing before. And unfortunately there is little daylight between them and the Talievangelists in this country. They both believe their holy books to be the inerrant word of God.
Their entire sense of being is tied to the totality of their book. They do not have the ability to think critically, in fact their belief system teaches them to just do what the book, as interpreted by their leaders, tells them to do.
As a Christian I can only comment on the Talievangelists as not seeing the forest for the trees. They cherry-pick Old Testament laws from Leviticus, Judges, etc. to suit their fancy. They miss the entire New Testament message of love, humility, poverty, compassion, giving, etc.
I'm sure moderate Muslims would have the same to say about the Taliban.
awoke_in_2003
(34,582 posts)We have been there for 10 fucking years, and what has changed? Absolutely nothing.
happyslug
(14,779 posts)This execution has NOTHING to do with religion or crime, but WHO punish criminals. In any country, the power to punish criminals is the first and most important role of Government. Government also gets to decide WHAT is a crime (we can debate adultery as a crime, but BOTH our allies in Kabul AND the Taliban believe it is a capital offense, thus this women being killed is NOT in dispute in Afghanistan).
The dispute between our allies in Afghanistan AND the Taliban is WHO does the execution? The Taliban by doing the execution AND that execution meeting approval of the people, means the Taliban not the government in Kabul has popular support, even that close to Kabul. It is the Taliban that the people of Afghanistan look to enforce the law and resolve local disputes, NOT the Government in Kabul. That is what makes this execution so important, NOT that it was for Adultery, but that the people looked to and approved of the Taliban enforcing the law and that the people did NOT even think that the Government in Kabul would enforce ANY law.
As I have said before in the type of P artisan war we are fighting in Afghanistan WHO does such execution is part of the war. As I wrote above, NO ONE IN AFGHANISTAN disputes that this woman should have been killed (Both sides agree on that point, if through many on this board does not), the issue is WHO should have done it. The Taliban by doing it are saying they are in charge, even in areas under the overall control of the Government of Kabul.
In simple terms, we have lost the war over the people of Afghanistan, they do NOT want the US in or to stay, they are ready, willing and able to accept Taliban rule. The US thus has four choices:
1. Delay pulling out so that any pull out does NOT occur in this term of office, thus the country does NOT fall to the Taliban under who is President today (This is what happened in Vietnam, the US stayed in, even after the war was lost, for no President ever wanted to admit the US had lost the war).
2. Pull out and admit defeat
3. Send in Colonialists, These would be Roman type Colonialists, i.e. take the best land in Afghanistan and settle old soldiers in those areas and give them those lands as they own. These would be a group who will fight all the other locals for they right to live on the land is from the US, thus not recognized by the Locals and those rights would be lost if the US ever pulls out. Gives the US a set of locals that are pro-US.
4. Kill everyone in the country (i.e. Genocide)
Once you look at the above, and accept genocide is NOT acceptable and today's soldiers do NOT want to live the rest of their lives in Afghanistan, we are stuck with either one or two, keep deferring defeat so blame can be on the successor not who is in charge today. The other is to accept that fact the war is lost. Number 2 is unacceptable, thus we see number one being embraced but only unofficially (as what happened in Vietnam).
Thus we are seeing the same things that occurred in Vietnam, most of the people of Vietnam supported the Viet Cong, but a Communist Vietnam was unacceptable to the US. The war was lost even before the US went in, but we had to go in to prevent Vietnam from falling. Until Congress finally stepped in and stopped US forces in Vietnam in 1973, the US kept throwing in more and more money and troops (US peak service was in 1968, but US forces stayed in Vietnam as advisers till the fall of Saigon in 1975).
In Afghanistan the US are still trying keep the present government of Kabul as the legal government of Afghanistan, the problem is most of the people of Afghanistan are looking at the Taliban as their legitimate Government. The Taliban are acting more and more as the Government of Afghanistan, this killing is just the latest example of that.
My point is that this video is showing who is in CHARGE in Afghanistan and it is looking more and more that is the Taliban.
riderinthestorm
(23,272 posts)For 20 years total two of the largest western cultures on the planet have been trying to bring some semblance of civil rights and gender equality to that country.
I hate to say its hopeless but I have no idea how you change this hideous despicable treatment of women when all of the residents have been so firmly brainwashed into believing its gawd's will.
4th law of robotics
(6,801 posts)allow in men who have proven they aren't assholes (and kick them out if they turn out to be).
Let the rest kill each other off outside the walls.
After a generation the (noticeably smaller) population can move back out and repopulate.
rollin74
(1,990 posts)warrprayer
(4,734 posts)... but it is better that we know the truth
Liberal_in_LA
(44,397 posts)relationship. shocking and sad.
Marrah_G
(28,581 posts)More often then not the people killed had done nothing wrong. Women are killed for being raped unless 4 men witness it and are willing to come forward.
If you haven't seen it, I suggest "the Stoning of Soraya M."
aquart
(69,014 posts)Cockroaches. If they got the 72 virgins in Heaven they still wouldn't know what to do with them.
Marrah_G
(28,581 posts)I would like to see every member of the Taliban wiped off the face of the earth before they can infect the next generation of boys. They bring nothing to society except poverty misery and death. Women within their reach are treated worse than livestock.
AJTheMan
(288 posts)we are going to set up a stable government and then leave. The Taliban will come back, I fear.