Syrian Convicted in Germany for Throwing Children out Window

[leftynyc]

Source: ABC News

A Syrian asylum-seeker has been convicted of three counts of attempted murder for throwing his children out of the window of a refugee home in Germany. He was sentenced to 15 years in prison.

Prosecutors say he threw the three children out of a second-floor window of the facility in February as a way to punish his wife because she refused to obey him after the family moved to Germany.





Read more: http://abcnews.go.com/International/wireStory/syrian-convicted-germany-throwing-children-window-43271907

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These asylum seekers need to leave their backwards attitudes about women in Syria (or wherever they may be from). 15 years isn't nearly enough for attempted murder of 3 children.

[Wilms]

1. As if "asylum seekers" have the market cornered.

https://www.google.com/search?q=father+kills+children&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8

Never mind the "right wing talking point". K?

[leftynyc]

2. Took 1 post for someone

to try and change the subject. How predictable. Nothing right wing about pointing out that western values are different and if you're going to enjoy the freedoms the west has, you have a responsibility to assimilate and CERTAINLY not to try and kill your children to punish your wife. Would you agree with that much without trying to change the subject?

[Wilms]

5. What is the excuse for all those Western muderers google helps you find??

The subject is a father trying to kill his children, and the anti-immigrant musings of an internet poster.

[leftynyc]

7. Why don't you post threads about those

murders rather than trying to change the subject from this? As if the answer to that wasn't blatantly obvious.

[Wilms]

10. I haven't changed the subject. I've addressed fathers who kill their kids...

...and xenophobia. Both are in the OP.

[leftynyc]

12. Spare me the

xenophobe bullshit. That nonsense doesn't even penetrate my brain anymore and frankly, I immediately discount anything a person who tries it has to say as it tells me they've got nothing to add. So, just to sum up, you have NOTHING to say about this man trying to murder his children as punishment for his wife refusing to OBEY him since moving to Germany. Got it.

[Wilms]

14. On it's face, what he did is awful.

So is what you said.

[leftynyc]

32. If you want to pretend the lives of women

are paradise in Syria or any other country these refugees are coming from, knock yourself out.

[Wilms]

43. Now, where did I say that??

Really bad form.

[arithia]

22. it took one post because you blew a pretty loud dog whistle

Abuse of women isn't limited to people from countries like Syria. Women are routinely raped, murdered and sold as sex slaves even within the US. Children are abused as a means of controlling women into staying in abusive relationships. This happens in some form in every frakin country on earth, among every ethnic and religious demographic.

Given that this happens in "western" countries, telling people to adapt to "western values" is not only ignorant of reality, it's inherently prejudicial. It's blaming the person's culture/religious beliefs instead of just stating the fact that the man was an abuser of women and children.

Need we remind you there is nutjob Tangerine running for president of the US who bragged about sexually assaulting women and that there are millions of people who are OK with this?

Western Values indeed.

[leftynyc]

40. Do women get put in prison

or killed for being rape victims in the US? Can men claim a divorce using the excuse "she wont obey me"? Can fathers force their daughters to marry whoever they deem fit without consequences in the US. I see you're another who wants to pretend the lives of women are paradise in Syria and this is a 1 in a million crime.

[Wilms]

51. "Paradise"??

You still stuffin' stuff in people's mouths??

Told ya already. Bad form. REALLY bad form. Especially for a, ahem, "lefty".

[leftynyc]

54. LOL - you mean the way

all of you who can't stick to the subject are trying to stuff stupid crap like I ignore crimes against women in the west into my mouth? It seems hypocrisy has no place in your world. If you've never seen me post comments when crimes against women - NO MATTER WHERE THEY OCCUR- then that's entirely your problem. I never make excuses by trying to deflect - I think that's a pathetic way to make a point.

[Wilms]

60. Now, where did I say you've ignored crimes against women in the west?

Right. I didn't.

Though I mentioned that men in the West have a long history of abusing women...didn't I?

[leftynyc]

64. THIS is what you wrote to me

Abuse of women isn't limited to people from countries like Syria. Women are routinely raped, murdered and sold as sex slaves even within the US. Children are abused as a means of controlling women into staying in abusive relationships. This happens in some form in every frakin country on earth, among every ethnic and religious demographic.


The implication being that I need a lesson that women get abused all over the fucking world. Do you get on threads about Christians committing crimes by pointing out how many great Christians there are? Or is that respect just reserved for Muslims while you whine about xenophobia?

[Wilms]

65. I didn't write that.

Another poster did.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10141615151#post22

[leftynyc]

68. You're right

Sincere apologies.

[leftynyc]

69. It was some other

"lefty" that did that. I'm sure I'll see you attacking them for it any minute now.

[arithia]

77. Back up and try again without the defensiveness, please

The "implication" you mentioned was a product of your own mind. Your OP wouldn't have been ethnocentric AT ALL if you avoided putting the blame on their country/culture. Islam, Christianity, Judaism, Hinduism... many religious have discrimination built right the frak into their doctrine because we humans are the ones who wrote that doctrine. It's almost as if humanity was looking for excuses for the subjugation of women's rights and codified it into culture and law....

" Nothing right wing about pointing out that western values are different and if you're going to enjoy the freedoms the west has, you have a responsibility to assimilate and CERTAINLY not to try and kill your children to punish your wife"

^^ This is ethnocentrism. I am genuinely sorry if you do not recognize it as such, but it is. Those backwards attitudes about women exist the planet over. Women are killed the planet over as a means of punishment and control. Children are abused/murdered as a means of punishment and control. This has nothing to do with Syrian or western values and everything to do with the universal problem of misogyny.

Next time, try and fling your assumptive fallacies at the right person.

[leftynyc]

83. I see absolutely nothing wrong

with what I said. I didn't even say that western values are better (although I believe they are), I just said they were different. You don't think immigrants have the responsibility to assimilate? You think they should be able to bring whatever backwater religious bullshit they lived with in their home country and practice it here - even when it concerns women? Sorry, I'll NEVER agree with that. No liberal would or should. Period.

[arithia]

87. I know you see nothing wrong

That's the problem. You also see nothing wrong with making assumptions about other people who disagree with you, but hey... to each their own.

People should follow the laws of the land they live in, provided those laws are just. I'm a big fan of civil disobedience in the form of peaceful protest when laws and practices are unjust.

I wholly condemn domestic violence in all its forms. I'm just not biased or naiive enough to think that it is limited to Islamic countries or communities. The only line of the Bible I really, truly like comes from Matthew 7:3.

We "moral liberals" should worry about the log in the eye of our civilization before we start asking our brothers and neighbors to take care of their own. To expect people to convert culturally when we are just as guilty in practice of violence against women.... well... it's hypocritical. You can still point out the log they are rockin, sure... but you shouldn't hold yourself/your culture up as an example for how to behave, either.

[leftynyc]

88. LOL

Accusing me of making assumptions. That's rich. So we need to be perfect before we can condemn the wretchedness that is the life of so many of our sisters in Muslims countries? Nope - sorry, that's complete bullshit. You can keep silent all you want - I'm going to shout from the rooftops wherever I see women getting the shaft.

[arithia]

89. Scroll up. You DID make assumptions

about my opinions and standpoints, which I then had to clarify. I pointed those assumptive fallacies out each time. I should note that you largely ignored most of my points in favor of your next line of attack. (If I'm confusing you here, I suggest googling logical fallacies. Knowing how to avoid them might improve your communication skills.)

Where did I say we need to be perfect to condemn others? (Again with the misrepresentations of your oppositions' arguments, I might add) I specifically said we can point out that they have faults, but asking them to give up their cultural norms in favor of ours when we can't get our own sh*t together is hypocritical. If we expect people to BE like us, then we should be an actual example of how to behave. Otherwise, it's another "do as I say, not as I do" situation

Misogyny is the problem. Religion is the EXCUSE for the abuse.

And where exactly was I silent? I just condemned domestic abuse the world over. All people need to do is scroll up to see you are twisting what I said so you have a leg to stand on. You know what I (and most of the world) call that behavior? Lying.

Learn to do better. Such tactics do nothing to further the cause of the women you claim to champion.

[arithia]

71. actually

Yes, women are jailed for a number of reasons as rape victims in the US. Some police departments think it's the only way to force women to testify against their abuser- something no woman should be forced to do considering how many women are afraid (and for good reason) they will be killed if they do so.

http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2016/10/why-are-women-thrown-jail-after-theyre-raped-or-assaulted

They are also frequently evicted from apartments for calling the cops on an abusive partner. Many states legally allow this behavior.

Marital rape was legally allowed in the US until recently (talking last few decades vs centuries of US law and policy) and many judges are still dubious of the concept that women can say "no" when married. Many of these same types of judges have been known to shame rape victims on the stand, including minor children.

Fathers DO force daughters to marry whomever they deem fit. Have you heard of the FLDS? The Amish? There has been a case floating through the courts here in PA where an underage girl was given as a "gift" to a man for services rendered on their family farm. The girl was to be used as a wife and was subsequently "married" and sexually assaulted, bearing the man several children before authorities were alerted to the situation. The court is unsure what to do in this situation as this woman is now grown and is convinced she loves her rapist/captor.

I'm pointing out that misogyny isn't limited to Syria. That it is in fact a problem here in the "civilized west". Crimes against women happen here too because we civilized westerners use the same bullsh*t excuses to ignore the victims of domestic violence among us. Demanding that people adapt to another cultures' mores, while ignoring the fact that the same exact sh*t happens in that other culture, reveals cognitive bias.

As for your comment about "I see you're another who wants to pretend", please spare me your assumptive fallacies. You don't know me or what I think beyond what I have said and thus, your statement amounts to projection and personal attack.

[leftynyc]

75. And here we go

I addressed the FLDS in another post pointing out that nobody here feels the need to deflect to the behavior of "good" Christians while we're trashing that group yet every time a story like this gets posted, it's a culture war. As a woman (and a Jewish woman at that), I feel blessed to live in the west. If we could arm every single woman in Muslim countries or bring them all here, I would house some in my home. THAT's how disgusting I find the way their culture treats them.

[arithia]

79. Are we reading the same threads?

I see people on DU frequently defend "good" Christians, "good" cops and whatnot on this board as a counterbalance to any kind of criticism of a societal group. It's quite frustrating, which is why I personally don't do it. As I'm not engaging in said behavior, I'm not sure why you are bringing it up as a counter to my argument.

YOU made this a "culture war" issue by making it about how "others" have to adapt to "our" values.... when our values are nearly as sh*tty- if not on paper then in practice.

But by all means, have fun with those broad brushes.

[leftynyc]

81. You ONLY see that

when there are blanket statements about how all cops suck. And yes, if you're going to emigrate to the west, you DO HAVE to adapt to our values which, sorry, aren't anywhere near as shitty for women as they are in Muslim countries. If you're not going to adapt, stay where you are or go to another Muslim country that will tolerate the bullshit. If saying I couldn't live in ANY Muslim country as a Jewish woman and be happy is broadbrushing, so be it. That's the way it is.

[arithia]

86. No, I do not ONLY see that then

So thank you for another assumptive fallacy.

1) There is no law in the US that you must abandon all of your cultural norms and mores when moving here. Fairly sure it's the same for Europe. America is a melting pot that has pulled it's laws and ideas from various civilizations in history and philosophers from every walk of life, including Islam.

Yes, you must abide by the laws of the land you are going to. Killing your children to keep your wife from leaving you is likely just as illegal in Syria as it is in Germany and the US from what I'm seeing research wise. It is far more likely this man is using faith as an excuse for his abuse, as so many others do. (Such as treatment of gays in the US by Christian conservatives, for example)

2) I'm not comparing which is worse. I'm pointing out that your statement was ethnocentric, which it was. Saying we have it better doesn't change the fact that women are still abused here and that we "moral westerners" often turn a blind eye to that abuse.

Again, we have someone running for president of the US who has admitted to sexually assaulting women. Millions of people are dismissing this fact to vote for him. Think of the woman with the "he can grab my ..." shirt. We westerners still don't understand the basics of consent.

3) "If you're not going to adapt, stay where you are" amounts to fear of the other. It is tribalism and prejudice and xenophobia. I'm sorry you don't see that.

4) I didn't call you not being willing to live in any muslim country "broad brushing". I was referring to your blanket statements about Islam and women. THAT is indeed broad brushing.

Now, if you want to continue this discussion I am more than happy to do so. I do ask, however, that you refrain from putting words in my mouth (via assumptive and other fallacies) in order to make your point.

*If you can't get your point across without misrepresenting the other persons, your argument needs work.*

[Yo_Mama]

78. You're very wrong. The father maintained that the German police are responsible, because

they barred him from his residence for hitting his wife in the face. Which, according to the father, he had every right to do. Which is in fact true in Islam - men are allowed to beat their wives if they don't obey.

The father suggested to the court that he be allowed to take his wife and children to Turkey, where they could live normally as a family without all this crazed interference, and said he didn't really want to kill his children, or hewould have killed them in Syria.

Here is as complete an English-language article as I can find to explain:
https://www.thelocal.de/20161103/father-who-threw-children-out-window-gets-15-years-prison

[arithia]

82. Uh... did you actually read my post?

My point was that this kind of misogyny isn't just limited to Syria and is in fact found in western civilization, if not on paper then in practice.

As for your "true Islam" comment, Islam is an Abrahamic religion. Just like Christianity. Just like Judaism. The Christian Bible says we should stone rape victims to death if they lived in the city and no one could hear their cries for help. It also says a husband can force a woman to abort a child if he thinks it isn't his and includes instructions on how to do it. And that a woman is her father or husband's property. And that a raped daughter can be sold to her rapist. It prizes virginity and says non-virgin brides should be punished or killed. Deuteronomy and Numbers are loaded with this crap.

Religious texts were written and edited by human hands and often reflect the biases we humans hold- like misogyny. That misogyny can be found in every culture where property law passed primarily from father to son. Anthropologists and religious historians the world over will tell you the same darn thing.

[AngryAmish]

80. Only dogs hear dog whistles.

[snooper2]

3. yes culture has nothing to do with this...nothing at all

[Wilms]

6. And the "culture" of the Western murderers you can find on google??

[snooper2]

16. Vast majority of people do not murder each other...You got a daughter?

Tell me where you would rather have her grow up-

Iran or Canada
Saudi Arabia or US
Pakistan or Britain


Come on...not hard....

[Wilms]

19. I'll bet the vast majority of immigrants do not murder each other.

Your point??

[snooper2]

33. no answer as expected

[JonLP24]

74. What is the US or Britain doing to improve those situations

Britain allied with the Wahabbis in the Arabian Peninsula back in the Ottoman Empire so they share responsibility for the Wahabbi laws in Saudi Arabia. I can fill the entire page talking about Iraq but I'm on a phone.

We need to stop backing the ultraconservative orthodox sect not to mention it spreads terrorism because what are Wahabbis going to invest in? The spread of Wahabbism. We share responsibility for this because of our greed.

[Ron Obvious]

35. Do statistics mean anything to you?

I myself was a witness to a shooting in Europe by a Muslim immigrant that the media and police department chose to cover up. I know, it's possible for brown-skinned people to be bastards and not victims. It seems to be a hard concept for a lot of the fashionable left to get their mind around.

[Wilms]

45. Does the word "anecdotal" mean anything to you?

Here are some stats...right from this thread...

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1014&pid=1615196

[jberryhill]

9. There is a cultural practice of throwing children out of windows?

Is that like the Italian cultural practices of anarchist bombings and organized crime?

Or the Southern US cultural practices of lynchings and church bombings?

This guy shot two cops in Iowa yesterday:



This guy shot up a Planned Parenthood clinic:



This guy shot up a church in South Carolina:



This guy shot up the Holocaust Museum:



When are white men going to stand up and take responsibility for their cultural practices?

[Wilms]

11. Strawman!

Can't you see. Those you pictured are WHITE.

[ck4829]

15. You see though, those guys are "islands of murder"

... from me, anyway.

It's only when THEY do it, it has anything to do with a collective.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=8195118

[leftynyc]

17. This was a crime committed

because his wife refused to OBEY him since moving to Germany. THAT was the motive - he admitted it. Nothing to say about that?

The ones you posted pictures of are disgusting scumbag bigots. What that has to do with this story is a mystery.

[jberryhill]

27. He is probably the only man ever to kill his wife for not obeying him

Because that NEVER happens.

[leftynyc]

31. Perhaps you can point out where

I said anything remotely close to that.

[snooper2]

18. Problem is the numbers aren't on your side...

[jberryhill]

30. Problem is that we have long gone past the notion of group responsibility for crime

Since this person is obviously, in your view, a member of a group with uncontrollable innate violent tendencies, then why would you be upset that he killed his wife and children?

He has single handedly eliminated several members of this group you dislike, and furthermore reduced their reproductive potential.

If all of the asylum seekers are busy killing one another, then I'd say that your problem is going to solve itself, no?

[LiberalLovinLug]

59. The 'liberal' equivialant of Republcan's favorite deflection..."but but but they do it too...!"

Only instead of that its ..."but but but WE do it too!"

All religions are a cult. Christianity, because of where it evolved, is more westernized and evolved to adapt in order to survive. For instance I remember growing up where attitudes of Rock music in the western fundamentalist Christian churches changed from calling it the Devil's music and young people being possessed by it, to today where you don't even think twice to hear a Christian performer using rock music as the base. Churches now have drums and electric guitars in their services.

Some Muslim countries have moved forward an inkling where things like head covering for women is optional. But that is the exception. In fact many have gotten more extreme instead of less. Indonesia is just now discussing banning all alcohol in Bali.

Radical Islam that teaches hatred towards all things Western, ESPECIALLY the liberal rights we have, is a huge danger to the world. I detest organized Christian religion, as I grew up in that kind of stifling fundamentalist atmosphere, and I know they are a danger as well as they can vote en mass on a one-issue fervor that they are programed on. They can effect public policy by getting on local administrations and censor educational materials and push their indoctrination into public schools.

But nothing compares to the mass indoctrination of peoples in authoritarian Muslim countries. Over 60% in so-called moderate countries believe if you change religions or choose no religion, you should be put to death. Not to mention women's lack of rights, LGBT persecution, barbaric punishments... all normalized through schooling from very young ages.

Like Bill Maher, I am forever disappointed in many so-called liberals that excuse these barbaric practices because shhhhh we shouldn't be criticizing someone elses culture. These new immigrants bring with them their indoctrinated brains. Most will adapt without causing trouble. But a disturbing percent of them will retain their violent solutions to solve problems that an invisible being told them was a problem.

All new immigrants should be made aware and have to swear they will accept and agree to our liberal civil rights for women, gays, speech, non prohibition of alcohol and drugs, and freedom from religion, if they want to live here.

[Wilms]

62. Agreed. "nothing compares to the mass indoctrination of peoples in authoritarian Muslim countries."

As Afghan schools reopen today, the United States is back in the business of providing schoolbooks. But now it is wrestling with the unintended consequences of its successful strategy of stirring Islamic fervor to fight communism. What seemed like a good idea in the context of the Cold War is being criticized by humanitarian workers as a crude tool that steeped a generation in violence.

Last month, a U.S. foreign aid official said, workers launched a "scrubbing" operation in neighboring Pakistan to purge from the books all references to rifles and killing. Many of the 4 million texts being trucked into Afghanistan, and millions more on the way, still feature Koranic verses and teach Muslim tenets.

The White House defends the religious content, saying that Islamic principles permeate Afghan culture and that the books "are fully in compliance with U.S. law and policy." Legal experts, however, question whether the books violate a constitutional ban on using tax dollars to promote religion.

Organizations accepting funding from the U.S. Agency for International Development must certify that tax dollars will not be used to advance religion. The certification states that AID "will finance only programs that have a secular purpose. . . . AID-financed activities cannot result in religious indoctrination of the ultimate beneficiaries."

This started in the 8s.

Published in the dominant Afghan languages of Dari and Pashtu, the textbooks were developed in the early 1980s under an AID grant to the University of Nebraska-Omaha and its Center for Afghanistan Studies. The agency spent $51 million on the university's education programs in Afghanistan from 1984 to 1994.

During that time of Soviet occupation, regional military leaders in Afghanistan helped the U.S. smuggle books into the country. They demanded that the primers contain anti-Soviet passages. Children were taught to count with illustrations showing tanks, missiles and land mines, agency officials said. They acknowledged that at the time it also suited U.S. interests to stoke hatred of foreign invaders.

https://www.ratical.org/ratville/CAH/USjihadABCs.html

[Yo_Mama]

66. The perp said that in Syria, he would have been out in a month.

So the devoted father is the one that brought up the culture issue.

[Wilms]

67. How does that differ from the "she made me hit her" defense?

Again, be it culture, religion, mental illness, or whatever else...Muslim countries do not have the market cornered.

[jberryhill]

4. "These asylum seekers"

How many of them are throwing children out of windows?

[leftynyc]

8. I have no idea

but he's already admitted he did it to punish his wife for not OBEYING him since moving to Germany so it's not something he picked up there, is it?

[Wilms]

13. Maybe he's a right-wing "christian".

They're always going on and on about that kind of stuff. No??

[jberryhill]

26. You mean the sort of Christians who kill their children by denying medical care?

...because their beliefs do not allow various medical treatments?

That happens with regularity, and still we allow them to practice their religion. I wonder why.

[leftynyc]

28. Perhaps you have a link

to a story about that I could see.

[jberryhill]

37. Here's a whole bunch of them

http://childrenshealthcare.org/?page_id=132

Victims of religion-based medical neglect

Ian Lundman, age 11, died of diabetes in 1989 in suburban Minneapolis. His father had left Christian Science, but did not have custody. The boy lost weight and became lethargic. A school official noticed a fruity odor on Ian’s breath, a classic diabetes symptom, but did not recognize it as such nor did she know his mother and stepfather had religious beliefs against medical care.

Sixteen-year-old son Neil Beagley became very ill shortly after the death of his little niece Ava in March, 2008. His parents Jeff and Marci Beagley were members of the Followers of Christ congregation in Oregon who eschew medical care in favor of communal prayer, the laying on of hands, and anointing with olive oil.

Matthew Swan, age 16 months, died of spinal meningitis in 1977 in Detroit, Michigan. His parents, Doug and Rita Swan, both lifelong Christian Scientists, retained Christian Science practitioners for spiritual “treatments.”

On December 20 Austin Lewis Sprout, age 16, a junior at Creswell High School in Oregon and a member of the school’s basketball team, died at home from peritonitis after his appendix ruptured.

...

Austin’s mother, Brandi Bellew, and stepfather, Russel Bellew, attend the General Assembly and Church of the Firstborn in Pleasant Hill, Oregon. Many Church of the Firstborn members came to Sprout’s home to pray for the boy during his illness. The church believes in following the direction in James 5:14-15: “Is any sick among you? Let him call for the elders of the church; and let them pray over him, anointing him with oil in the name of the Lord: And the prayer of faith shall save the sick, and the Lord shall raise him up. . . .”



Andrew Wantland, age 12, died of untreated diabetes in LaHabra, California, in 1992. A Christian Science practitioner attempted to heal him with prayer for four days. He lost thirty pounds. On the last day of his life, he was emaciated, vomiting, and urinating frequently. Later in the day he was unable to eat, drink, make eye contact, speak, or move around.

You have to live under a rock not to know that this happens with great regularity.

[leftynyc]

42. None of those are even REMOTELY

in the same category as this. NONE of those crimes were committed to punish a woman for not obeying their husband. NOT ONE. Try again.

[jberryhill]

46. Oh, I forgot - no man raised in "western culture" ever killed his spouse

[leftynyc]

50. Now you're flailing

Once again - we're talking about a husband trying to kill his children to punish his wife for not OBEYING him. Why are you having such trouble sticking to this topic (as if THAT weren't blatantly obvious). Still pretending life for women in Syria is a fucking picnic?

[jberryhill]

53. "Still pretending life for women in Syria is a fucking picnic?"

You apparently would have preferred she die in Syria, so I don't know what you are upset about.

[leftynyc]

56. More flailing

I would have preferred her NOT coming from a culture that thinks this okay. I would have preferred that isis wasn't tearing Syria apart for the last 5 years and making women into slaves and burning people alive. I would have preferred she didn't marry this disgusting excuse for a human. Keep shoving words into my mouth, it's making you look pathetic.

[Wilms]

39. Well I could post links.

But I'm not sure you will see.

[whathehell]

36. Nice try..

[jberryhill]

24. Here's the thing

If you take a look at a popular "white power" forum (initials SF), then you will find that they have an informative "news" forum which posts 100% accurate accounts of crime reports from legitimate news sources.

All of them are news reports of crimes committed by minorities.

The intention, of course, is that by making sure to post every account of a crime committed by a minority, then it reinforces the desired perception.

Are there criminals among asylum seekers? Why, of course there are. There are criminals among any numerous population of humans. That's not very remarkable. Ah... but you see... look at all of these news articles that involve members of (fill in the blank) group! There are so many of them! And they are so frequent!

Do you not pay attention to all of the crimes committed in this country by Hispanics, for example? There are many, many crimes in this country committed by Hispanics, and many, many crimes committed by undocumented immigrants. Of course, there are MILLIONS of Hispanics in this country, and each of them is a human. Humans commit crimes, and out of any population of MILLIONS of anyone, you are going to find a grab bag of crimes committed by them.

[leftynyc]

29. I think this is a culture problem

YMMV

[geek tragedy]

20. Reminder that the children and wife are also refugees nt

[jberryhill]

25. Yes, well, they should have stayed home and all died

Because that is the point here, isn't it?

Look at how horribly certain individuals among a large population behave! They should all have died in war, instead.

But there are people who cannot be that honest about what their underlying feelings are.

[Blue_Tires]

21. They ought to send his ass back to Syria

a German prison is WAY too good for him

[whathehell]

38. Yup..

[True Dough]

34. The good news for the xenophobes is...

If Syrian men are so prone to violence, it won't be long before they exterminate all the women and children in the Middle East! Then you can jump for joy, right?

Not to mention that in Canada and Australia 53,000+ Syrian refugees have yet to commit any acts of terrorism over the past year. But that's not good enough for y'all, so keep trying to portray "their values" -- because "their values" are all uniform, like American Republicans and Democrats values are the same -- as being completely incompatible with Western lifestyles.

[jberryhill]

41. Yes, the poster is upset that a group of people he dislikes are killing one another

So this seems to be a "problem" that solves itself.

The point is that the wife and children should not have been allowed to escape being killed in war, because then they were killed by an abusive husband/father.

Leaving them in Syria would have prevented this somehow.

[leftynyc]

47. You could have the decency and grace

to confront me directly. I'm decrying a CULTURE - a culture that debases, abuses and makes the lives of women barely worth living. We're disgusted that this country can elect a man who treats women like cattle but can't bring yourself to decry a culture that does the exact same thing. That's entirely your problem, not mine.

[jberryhill]

52. "I'm decrying a CULTURE"

I had no idea that Donald Trump was a Syrian refugee.

I'll have to put that on my list of things I learned today.

"We're disgusted that this country can elect a man who treats women like cattle but can't bring yourself to decry a culture that does the exact same thing"

I believe that individuals are responsible for their actions.

You believe that groups of individuals are responsible for the actions of any member of that group.

We differ on the social utility of those two points of view.

[leftynyc]

57. WTF are you talking about?

Straight and simple question. Would you rather be a women in the west or in a Muslim country?

[True Dough]

58. +1

[True Dough]

55. You certainly seem like someone who commands decency and grace!

Painting an entire CULTURE as being reprehensible for debasing and abusing women. I'm not going to deny that there's a significant percentage of Middle Eastern men who unfortunately subscribe to such views and adhere to extreme forms of Sharia law, but you cannot deny that millions of Muslims -- many of them immigrants from the Middle East -- are already among our ranks in North America and they aren't upsetting the apple cart or stoning women in the street. There are many immigrants and refugees here who are among the most charitable members of our society. They are volunteers and ethical businesspeople. They are politicians and human rights advocates. Odd how you never mentioned any of them.

[leftynyc]

63. Are you saying Muslim culture,

as practiced to day in dozens of countries is GOOD for women? I have no beef with any person who assimilates - that doesn't mean giving up their entire culture. But I have a MAJOR problem with the treatment of women in Muslim countries. And I have even bigger problems when they try and bring THAT part of their culture to the west.

As for why I didn't mention all the stellar Muslim citizens - do I really need to do that when posting this kind of story? Do we have to post about all the good Christians in this country when decrying those fundamentalist Muslims in the CO and AZ? Or does that only hold true for Muslims?

[True Dough]

48. I hear ya

But it's not OP's fault that there's a brutal conflict underway in Syria. Don't expect him to have any sympathy for those people and their backwards values.

You know, he didn't give any consideration to mental illness. None of the crazies in the Middle East ever suffer from mental illness, they're just brainwashed by religion, each and every time! Yet so many mass killers in the U.S. are diagnosed with some form of mental illness. Funny that.

[romanic]

70. OMG at the excuses some are making.

The OP didn't say only Syrians did this type of shit, relax.

[Wilms]

72. Correct.

The OP said, "These asylum seekers..."

[leftynyc]

76. Of course I didn't

but you can't post any story about Muslims and not immediately be called a xenophobe and be subject to a lesson about how Christians are just as bad. We also can post stories about depraved behavior concerning Christians without having to point out that not every single Christian is depraved. That's only reserved for Islam. It's the same story on DU every single time. I'm getting private mail thanking my tenacity on the subject. I stopped caring about being called names a very long time ago.

[keithbvadu2]

73. He should cut his pecker off.... That'll punish her.

[Quantess]

84. Asylum seekers are wearing out their welcome in europe,

no doubt about it! Just about every nation in europe is increasingly weary of middle eastern and north african immigrants. RW Nationalistic parties are growing like wildfire. Women aren't as safe as they used to be.

You americans can posture and finger-wag until you're blue in the face, but this is the undeniable poliical trend on the other side of the atlantic.

[leftynyc]

85. If Don the Con gets elected

next week, you will have to look no further than this story as to one of the reasons why. DUers want to keep their heads in the sand and pretend it isn't happening. I wont do that. Ever.

[bravenak]

91. I guess he couldn't handle his wife having the right to tell him to fuck off

He deserves more time and then deport his ass