Trump to Kill Obamacare With Executive Orders on Day One

[DonViejo]

Source: The Daily Beast

President-elect Donald Trump will begin to dismantle the Affordable Care Act almost immediately when he takes office later this month through a series of executive orders, Mike Pence reportedly told House Republicans in a meeting on Captiol Hill on Wednesday morning. Rep. Chris Collins, a steadfast Trump ally in the lower chamber, reportedly said Congressional Republicans will have a replacement bill ready in six months. Meanwhile, President Obama was meeting separately with Democrats to discuss a strategy going forward for shielding the president’s signature legislative achievement. Rep. Jackie Speier (D-CA) was tweeting from inside the meeting and said Obama criticized the GOP for its handling of the repeal process. “You don’t tear down a house before having plans and building a new one,” Obama purportedly said, adding that he could have done a better job “communicating the importance” of the Affordable Care Act.

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[still_one]

1. I don't think he can do that. What they can do though is stop the subsidies through

budget reconciliation I believe, and that will effectively destroy it

[cstanleytech]

16. Foolish on their part though as while it might save corporations and alot of the 1% money

it will hurt millions of people more that depend on Obamacare and those millions likely have friends and family who probably care about their loved ones losing their health insurance and that means millions of fucking pissed off voters in 2 years during the midterm elections.

[KatyMan]

29. "save corporations and alot of the 1% money"

you could've stopped there, corporations and the 1% don't give a shit about hurting millions of people!

[cstanleytech]

47. No shit. My point is though that some of the Republicans might learn to care

(or more likely learn to fake caring) just before the midterms which by then might be to late and they (hopefully) could end up out on their ass with a decent human being replacing them.

[mahatmakanejeeves]

24. Trump could quickly doom ACA cost-sharing subsidies for millions of Americans

Trump could quickly doom ACA cost-sharing subsidies for millions of Americans

Health & Science

Trump could quickly doom ACA cost-sharing subsidies for millions of Americans

By Amy Goldstein

[e-mail]
@goldsteinamy

December 24

Even without Congress repealing the Affordable Care Act, the Trump administration could undermine the law by unilaterally ending billions of dollars the government pays insurers to subsidize the health coverage of nearly 6 million Americans.
....

The subsidies could be eliminated as soon as President-elect Donald Trump takes office, a consequence of an unusual lawsuit that House Republicans brought against the Obama administration two years ago.

The GOP’s case, part of its sustained attack on the 2010 law, contends that the cost-sharing reductions to insurers are illegal because Congress has not provided a specific appropriation for them — an argument the administration disputes. In May, a federal district judge ruled in favor of the House but left the subsidies in place while Obama officials appealed the decision.

Once Trump is sworn in, his administration could simply drop the appeal. At that point, the payments would stop, barring a reversal by the Republicans who sued to get rid of the subsidies. Lawmakers would then have to approve funds to keep the payments in place. A three-judge panel of the Court of Appeals for the D.C. Circuit has granted a House request to pause the case until Trump takes office.

{Judge strikes down Obama health law insurance subsidy in victory for House GOP}

[aggiesal]

48. They've already done that ...

Marco Rubio slipped in a rider essentially removing subsidies to the insurance companies.
When the insurance companies saw that they were losing massive amounts of monies,
they raised their premiums.
The announcement came about 2 weeks before the election.

Here's a link to the story describing exactly what little marco did.
http://www.nytimes.com/2015/12/10/us/politics/marco-rubio-obamacare-affordable-care-act.html?_r=0

[Botany]

2. and that act by Trump will kill people

Good chance that many white rural people will now find themselves w/out
health insurance and or health care.

Good Christ this was a coup and Trump and many memebers of the House
and senate got into office because of cross check, russian hacking, fake news,
gerrymandering, and electronic voting systems.

[Dave Starsky]

28. Yeah. Good thing we don't have death panels.

The Republicans are going to kill way more people than the "death panels" would.

[Sunlei]

34. not only kill people because they're uninsured. thousands of jobs would be lost & emergency rooms

overwhelmed with sick people and their very ANGRY families. Not everyone who loses health care coverage will crawl off and die.

[IthinkThereforeIAM]

53. Got to make room for the robots...

... if people die, then the unemployed will take their deadend jobs. Robots will take over what are now good paying jobs with benefits. I see it as a die off. The non-profit 501c(3) treasurer in me only sees the numbers. The empathic in me only cries.

[Sunlei]

55. on the bright side, republican political 'charities', show everyone how to never pay taxes again!

I meant the thousands of Nurses, Doctors, workers who admin. health care, insurance workers...those thousands of jobs will be lost because Republicans dump 20 million+ off health insurance plans.

[dhol82]

3. Wow! That's gonna be a shitstorm!

Wonder if the pitchforks will come out?

[atreides1]

9. No pitchforks!!!

Peasants don't revolt unless they have someone to lead them, and the words Republican leadership is another of those oxymorons...like jumbo shrimp!!!!

[Kablooie]

10. Unfortunately the pitchforks will be turned against Democrats.

The conservative propaganda machine will blame Dems and Dems have no effective defense against it but the truth which holds no value anymore.

[dhill926]

26. and unfortunately...

you nailed it...

[briv1016]

23. Pitchforks don't mean much when you have a madman with the nuclear codes.

[riversedge]

4. I am getting more scared as each day passes. I just do not comprehand why some--the

Republicans do no care for others.

[RonniePudding]

6. It's actually quite simple

Most are sadists.

[Blue Shoes]

12. Or just garden variety sociopaths.

[TeamPooka]

18. and greedy

[AJT]

46. 30% of all base populations

Are authoritarians and admire, no matter the damage of the outcome, strong and punishing
policies.

[vi5]

5. Man, remember way back when....

All the variations on the following:

"The Republicans will HAVE to support this law. It's just like the one they designed. If they don't they look hypocritical and foolish!"

"Sure it's not perfect but once it's in place it will be easy to expand it!"

"Once these provisions are passed the people will realize how great it is and they'll never let the Republicans repeal it."

"It will be so popular that the Republicans will pay a huge price if they try to touch it!!!"

"It's the law of the land and it is here to stay. The Supreme Court confirmed this!!"

Boy, those of us that were skeptical and expressed concern sure look foolish now, don't we?

[progressoid]

11. Yup, I remember those days.

[vi5]

14. "Don't worry..."

"...what could go wrong with letting Ben Nelson, Max Baucus, and Blanche Lincoln decide the Democrats signature legislation?"

[LanternWaste]

41. Only those attempting to look clever via false sincerity.

" those of us that were skeptical and expressed concern sure look foolish now, don't we?"

Only those attempting to look clever via false sincerity.

[n2doc]

7. Maximum Mayhem

If he does this there will be chaos. Maybe more than the media and his tweets can cover up.

[vkkv]

8. A repeal won't only kill people, it will also affect the economy in the long run - which one would

think that Drumphuck would care about.

It will be his legacy.

[atreides1]

13. It won't be his legacy

If people die because they lost their health care, Trump will throw the Republicans under the bus...it's how he works!

As for the economy, the only pocket that Trump is concerned with filling, is that of his family and sycophants!!!

[vkkv]

25. ObamaCare - named after the Pres.. A.C.A. - the law passed by a Dem lead Congress.

It has been and still could be Obama's legacy, he didn't pass the law by himself.

A legacy isn't how we view ourselves, it is how a person is cast in history.

[Eliot Rosewater]

15. They wont need their porn sites

on that day, they will be able to masturbate to the thought of all the death and destruction they are causing to the groups of people they hate the most, including poor white people.

You think Hillary abandoned poor or working white people? sigh

[Phoenix61]

17. So he says

Trump changes his mind on a whim. If he believes he will be hated and reviled by the people whose opinions he values in that moment he won't do it. Remember, he thought water boarding was great until he didn't.

[BumRushDaShow]

44. Good cop, bad cop

Keep people in a tizzy frenzy because that is how they can psychologically control people.

[hibbing]

19. Compassion

I wonder what percentage of people accessing health insurance via the ACA voted for him. Well, at least the Democrats will be on board for the massive tax cuts for their ruling class sponsors.


Peace

[rtracey]

20. ok

OK play their game.... Here is what you do...ANYONE who is reading this forum and is on the ACA, and if your policy gets cancelled (which I am not buying it yet), go to your local (NOW THIS IS IMPORTANT) non-profit hospital ER for your healthcare. Stomach flu...go there, cut, scraps, kid with fever, bad headache, go there.... Taxes will need to cover these..... prices will go up, the govt will be blamed... Remember something, ACA (Obamacare) is not a democratic thing, it an affordable thing. Not all Fuckump supporters are flush with cash, many are on ACA, and many Republicans are on it too....

[drray23]

36. Not exactly.

Unless you are completely destitute, they will bill you and attempt to collect debt. They are required to treat you by law, just enough to "stabilize" you but they can also bill you.

[rtracey]

52. and

yup ok so.... how do you think the majority of inner city patients got their healthcare before ACA. As an employee at a major East Coast Non-Profit inner-city teaching hospital, I can attest that many were there for non emergency emergencies.

being billed for services, hmmmmm ok, blood from a turnip, squeezing blood from a rock, whatever the saying is... can't get paid if there ain't no money to spend.

[HockeyMom]

21. How can Trump pick and choose what parts to repeal?

Wouldn't he have to repeal everything, not just except for Part A, B, etc, that he may like? Does the individual mandate go away too? Pre-existing conditions? Children under 26?

Won't this also send the health insurance companies in chaos? Even putting aside the government subsidiaries, what about young, healthy people deciding they don't want to have health insurance and just dropping it entirely if there is no individual mandate?

Yes, I agree that this has far reaching economic consequences apart from the health issues.

[kelly1mm]

30. He can repeal any of the parts implimented by Ezecutive Order. That is the thing about EO's

they are only as permanent as the President wants them to be.

[kelly1mm]

22. When you govern by Executive Order then you should be prepared for those EO's to be tossed

out by your successor, at least potentially. That is why it was, in my opinion, a mistake to try and do so much by EO. One it can easily be reversed and Two it legitimizes the use of EO's for what is traditionally/normally legislative power.

[mahatmakanejeeves]

32. There's no need for an EO. See post #24. NT

[Sunlei]

33. I've followed all of President Os EOs, which one in your opinion would be 'easy' to toss?

[kelly1mm]

37. By definition any of the EO's Trump wants to toss. If he does not care abount the fallout

he certainly has the power to toss any by the stroke of a pen, agreed?

[Sunlei]

45. no I don't agree. trumps to ignorant (unfit) to understand or manage his own transition.

[kelly1mm]

58. You don't agree that the President has the power to toss out EO's of a prior administration?

You don't agree that the President has the power to toss out EO's of a prior administration? If you don't understand that basic legal ability (not the wisdom or intelligence of the one exercising the power) then I can't help you.

[Leith]

49. Are You Suggesting That Obama Governed by EO?

Let's look at the post WW II presidents and the numbers of EOs they issued:

Truman 907
Eisenhower 484
Kennedy 214
Johnson 325
Nixon 346
Ford 169
Carter 320
Reagan 381
GHW Bush 166
Clinton 308
GW Bush 291
Obama 261 as of Nov 10

I don't remember anyone complaining about how many EOs Reagan had - does anyone else? And he had a Congress that would actually work with him!

[Blue_Tires]

27. Voting matters.... Elections matter...

[Sunlei]

31. So Pence is in charge? and will make trump sign on the line an EO- Republicans create?

I don't think EOs work like that.

[Achilleaze]

35. Show and Smell (R)

Republicans have nothing - no freaking ideas at all about what to do. This is simply a F*ck You to Obama and the American people. What a-holes.

[NoMoreRepugs]

38. Do it u orange baboon - DO IT! Only when the goobers

begin to suffer will they begin to understand that they've been had.... or at least we can hope so.

[Jacob Boehme]

39. Trump to Kill Obamacare....

Hmmm, as in.....

[yuiyoshida]

40. They are like an old Predator just waiting to sink their teeth

into a dying elephant. True it won't fight back, but they are bound to have a hard time digesting the entire thing!

[bdamomma]

42. ok what is the plan???

to secretly have americans die so that you can start your own Aryan race???? SOB's

[elmac]

43. An interesting take on the repeal

from FSTV this afternoon. The thinking is the fascists will get rid of the mandate (which all the "big guvment" idiots hate), do a subsidy to take care of any insurance increase that will cause and rename the plan. Keep 90% as is and making it a republican plan, trumpcare. Those sneaky bastards could do it and get away with it.

[BumRushDaShow]

50. Then the debt would skyrocket

But then that is why the mandate was put there via the Heritage Foundation in the first place. They may force a "health savings" option for that cost without adding the additional subsidies to cover the original mandate premium costs, but then having such would need to be "mandated" or a good chunk of people would lose insurance again.

[George II]

51. It won't work.

[klook]

54. Republican Health Care Plan

[watoos]

56. I follow the money

The first thing they will do is defund it. Remember there are 2 taxes on people making 250k and above.
There are a 3.8% and a 0.9% tax. Killing Obamacare is really just another tax break for the rich.

[geomon666]

57. You mean all those executive orders they all screamed were illegal?

Those fucking executive orders?

[forgotmylogin]

59. Six months is too long.

The thing that sucks is in six months when they put up their "replacement" which will be named the HealthCare Freedom Act and will entitle citizens "the right to buy any plan they want so long as they can afford it! Huzzah!" and the Democrats vote against it, the Pubes will try to tar and feather them "So you don't want people to have freedom to buy health care! People are dying fast you must approve this!! Don't you love America and/or Freedom??"