Conway: Those Who Currently Have Insurance Won't Lose It In ACA Repeal

[DonViejo]

Source: Talking Points Memo

By MATT SHUHAM Published JANUARY 4, 2017, 3:45 PM EDT

Donald Trump adviser Kellyanne Conway says that the Trump administration doesn't want anyone who currently has health insurance to lose it due to Republican efforts to repeal the Affordable Care Act.

“We don't want anyone who currently has insurance to not have insurance,” Conway said Tuesday morning on MSNBC's "Morning Joe."

Conway was responding to co-host Joe Scarborough, who asked if Americans who “have healthcare today under the Affordable Care Act” would be covered under the Republican replacement plan for the healthcare law.

Conway didn’t present any details on what a replacement for Obamacare would look like in the interview. She said it would be "the ideal situation" if Republicans had a replacement plan for the ACA immediately available upon repeal, but said “some experts say that it could take years to actually complete the process.”

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[Coolest Ranger]

1. Sorry i don't buy it

[etherealtruth]

4. I buy it ... "It" said "insurance"

"it" did not say equitable coverage or adequate coverage ... just "insurance"

For my part I wonder if they will roll back all those "burdensome" requirements for employers and insurance companies ... how can they make record profits if they actually have to cover things like colonoscopies etc

[Coolest Ranger]

7. Don't hold your breath.

[etherealtruth]

16. I seriously beleive they will "let" people pay for junk insurance that covers nothing

The kind that benefits insurance companies and fleeces working people.

Believe me ... I believe with all my heart these A$$-holes are out to eff the American public over

[wishstar]

20. Yes, they will offer cheaper policies that cover less so they can say premiums are lower

They are figuring out a way be able to say they have made it more affordable- but we know the only way that will happen is if they cut back on coverage and increase copays and deductibles-

[Wounded Bear]

25. That's the goal of the "sell across state lines" push...

Insurance companies can already do that. The Repubs just want to do that while bypassing the state insurance commissions that oversee what you buy in your state. It's a quick trip to the least common denominator plans you are talking about. It'll be a race to the bottom of the most lenient states in the union.

[COLGATE4]

45. Yep. They'll all be headquartered in the Dakotas like

the credit card companies. Good luck then with any complaint or denied claim!

[jmowreader]

50. Please explain your "cheaper" comment

I think they'll move to a coal mining state where insurance is allowed to be really expensive, and start charging everyone what coal miners pay.

[riversedge]

39. yes, I think that junk insurance will be back again

[keithbvadu2]

77. "It" said "insurance" ------- Good catch!

[forgotmylogin]

2. So in effect...

The Rs could "repeal" ACA and celebrate their victory and then hem-haw around and just get too busy for replacement?

Once again I say introduce a measure that forbids ACA repeal until the moment a replacement is ready to go live. It should be fully operational. If they wait three years, citizens should still be able to apply for and use it.

Or I guess Ds could agree to vote for repeal if they attach such a measure...it must remain fully operational until new law is ready.

[jmowreader]

10. I have the perfect poison pill

Time limit for Affordable Care Act replacement
1. Repeal of the ACA is contingent on a replacement health care act being implemented.
2. The replacement health care act must be enacted no later than 721 calendar days* after ACA repeal legislation is enacted.
3. The replacement health care act must be fully implemented no later than 1097 calendar days** after ACA repeal legislation is enacted.
4. Failure to meet either target date will result in full restoration of the ACA and a permanent moratorium on attempts to repeal it.

* 24 months plus one day
** 36 months plus two days, in case there's a leap year in there somewhere

[onenote]

15. Can you explain the time periods you've chosen?

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It's an interesting idea, but I'd like to understand the thinking behind the specific time frames you identify.

Also, for what its worth, there is no such thing as a permanent moratorium on attempts to repeal legislation.

[jmowreader]

26. There are already several national healthcare models running in the US

In addition to the ACA and the VA, there are Medicare, Medicaid and Tricare. Plus you have plenty of functional private-sector health insurance companies, and the Romneycare system that was already running in Mass. If they want to go a little farther afield, look at the German healthcare system, which looks a little like Obamacare. It's not like they're walking into uncharted territory - we know what a healthcare system should look like.

Here's reality: Any workable GOP-designed Obamacare replacement is going to look like Obamacare. It shouldn't take more than a couple of years to write a Trumpcare law modeled on the current Obamacare law, and shouldn't take longer than a year to convert the Obamacare implementation into the Trumpcare one.

As far as the "permanent moratorium" goes...I know as well as you there isn't one, but we're dealing with Republicans - who are so eternally stupid we can sell them on the idea they have to put up or shut up.

[forgotmylogin]

42. We don't know how long they expect to take for replacement

(If they will) so it shouldn't be a disagreeable position to keep it running full force until the exact date replacement is available, once it passes and is deemed a worthy successor.

No Republican should be able to say they they want people to die in a "doughnut-hole" of coverage.

[jmowreader]

46. I think we're close on this one

It is a good position to keep the ACA running as it is until a new system is running.

It is also a good position to give these guys a fixed time frame to build their new system. Otherwise they aren't going to. IIRC the Republicans submitted about 70 recall petitions, and zero replacement ones, since the Act was passed.

[forgotmylogin]

47. Do you think...

a timeframe and any kind of pressure is a good idea? If they will leave ACA running in the interim, who cares how long they stall? Half of them are probably just happy to say they did something even if they actually didn't.

[Volaris]

49. Change #4 to the following:

Failure to meet either date will result in the immediate enactment of 'Universal Single Payer', Medicare For All as the only legal system of healthcare access/insurance in the United States of America.

In other words, "we called your bluff, bitches. Lets see how well you REALLY Govern."

[tenorly]

3. To anyone who actually believes CONway or her john, King Con:

Crisco has a bridge to sell them.

[50 Shades Of Blue]

5. To herself she added, "But if that's the price to repeal Obamacare - fuck 'em."

[justhanginon]

6. Of course you won't be able to afford it but that is your choice.

A lot of things will no longer be covered and there will be other restrictions to be named later. Oh, and if you are so much as a day late with the payment you will lose your insurance and will not be allowed to rejoin because existing conditions are no longer covered.

Have a good life,

signed, your caring republican party.

[MontanaMama]

8. Canniving Kellyanne basically said nothing...again...still...always

"Some experts say that it could take years to actually complete the process". Really? How many people will die or declare bankruptcy while you selfish idiots talk around this? YOU ARE VILE, KELLLYANNE.

[Mc Mike]

9. She either knows nothing, or she's lying thru her fangs,

or both.

[rzemanfl]

18. "Lying thru her fangs." Love it. n/t

[lancelyons]

11. maybe somebody here can help me out on this.

Regarding ACA,

Some of the promises where if you like your doctor you can keep your doctor.

My insurance is with Blue Cross and I did keep my doctor.

Why do they say that was a lie?

Also

when they talk about the prices going up.. my costs went up a little this year but it has went up every year anywhere from 6-10 percent since I first had employer insurance in 1990.

I have not seen any where near the rates they claim are going up so high.

Are they talking about just ACA market plans?

It seems like most of this argument about the costs and keeping your doctor only apply to ACA plans which might be 10 percent of all health insurance holders. The other 90 percent who have their insurance through their company or government, havent been negatively impacted by ACA from my view point.

[Gidney N Cloyd]

32. A lot of the complaints came from failure of some states to fully cooperate with ACA.

So for instance Oklahomans may be pitching and moaning while Illinoisans are much happier.

[TexasBushwhacker]

66. Whether or not not you keep your doctor

Is a decision made by the insurance CARRIER. That has always been the case. I remember a few years ago, before the ACA, Humana was notorious for dropping doctors and hospitals that they covered. Premiums were going up by double digits every year BEFORE the ACA. It seems that any problem people have encountered after the ACA was implemented is BLAMED on the ACA, even though the ACA had little or nothing to do with it.

I was at a county clinic one day and this old fart was pacing in the waiting room. I don't know if he was waiting for a prescription or to see a doctor, but he was mumbling "God damn Obamacare". It was a COUNTY clinic. Obamacare had nothing to do with it!

[lancelyons]

84. Many of these people have been programmed to believe things incorrectly

I know that fox news and other right wing outlets have caused much of this spreading fake news before it was called fake news.

Democrats and Media need to do a better job of noticing this fake information and countering with correct information. The net of all this is that GOP ways tend to be more harmful for American and that is born out in past history as well.

[xor]

12. So let's say they do their thing and millions of people cannot afford to maintain

their insurance. Then a year later they come out with a "plan" but it ditches all the preexisting condition protections. So now all those people who had preexisting conditions can now be denied because they couldn't afford their previous plan. So even if they then brought back subsidies for those people and even had plans with lower premiums due to the ditching of stuff like preexisting condition protections, protections against them denying coverage, etc... That means there will be a lot of people out there who won't be able to get any coverage again.

[MontanaMama]

13. The pre-existing condition protections are key to the ACA.

Without them, you could get insurance but the deductibles would be so high that you can't use the insurance. We're self employed and routinely had deductibles of $10,000-$25,000 for our healthy family of 3.

[xor]

40. I got pre-ACA insurance on the private market too

It was expensive and had a high deductible that made it useless. I also worried that if I ever had to use it then the insurance companies would be digging through my history looking for any reason to not cover something.

Now with the ACA I fully understand the concern that people have with still having high premiums for plans with high deductibles, but at least those plans would have to cover you once you met the requirements. In addition, it finally gave all those people with preexisting conditions the ability to finally afford some sort of coverage.

By no means is it perfect, but how many of the flaws were due to republicans trying to weaken it? From what I've seen it seems like almost all the major issues are a result of them. The minor stuff could have been fixed if the republicans actually cared about making a system that worked.

I'm likely preaching to the choir here, but it just frustrates me how narrow-sighted so many "regular" people conservatives fail to understand what's going on. Trying to discuss it with them is useless because they don't seem to want to actually discuss the issue, but rather spew made up nonsense and avoid the points altogether.

[MontanaMama]

74. You are preaching to the choir xor

and I agree with and understand everything you said. I take every opportunity to tell any "regular people" who will listen about how insurance doesn't work for so many of us. Rethugs do not care about creating a system that works because they are insured by a system that works for them....that you and I pay for. Sigh.

[Angry Dragon]

14. WHERE IS THE PLAN??

Making promises before they even know what it will be ...............

[underpants]

60. EXACTLY ---- as with the whole campaign answer HOW

How???

[ananda]

17. Cue the language.

We don't "want" anyone to lose insurance doesn't say
anything about making sure they don't really lose it.

[Danmel]

19. So what happens to my son

Who will graduate from college in May and will be kicked off my insurance when he turns 23 in June, if he doesn't immediately land a job with benefits. He has a pre existing condition that renders him uninsurable.
I hate these fuckers so much. And I hate them for making me hate them.

[Arazi]

58. Children can stay on their parents plan until they're 26 fyi

[Danmel]

62. Not if the ACA is repealed, unless NYS keps the requirement.

It was 23 before the ACA.
My daughter will be 26 next week, but she has a job with coverage ( not great and quite pricey). She was on my plan past age 23.

[MontanaMama]

76. I'm with you Danmel

I know just what you're saying. We've refinanced our house 3 times to pay medical bills that our "insurance" didn't cover. If we return to the old days where pre-existing condition protections are gone, many of us will be deemed un-insurable. I'm sorry for you, your son and for me and all of us who have lived in fear every day of something like this happening. The stress is unbelievable.

I hate these fuckers too.

[Skittles]

21. FUCK YOU KELLYANNE, YOU SELFISH ASSHOLE

yeah I said it

WE ARE DEMOCRATS BECAUSE WE ACTUALLY THINK OF OTHER PEOPLE

[stopbush]

22. So they plan to continue the Medicaid expansion? How about the subsidies?

Those two things are the main reasons behind the previously uninsured having insurance under Obamacare. You can only have the $ for subsidies if the Feds earmark the funding. The rates for having a policy are only affordable if the individual mandate remains - let people opt out of the system and insurance rates will rise astronomically.

Bunch of fucking liars.

[Wounded Bear]

23. They never explain how this magical shit is gonna work...

Perhaps there will be a miracle or something.

I know we'll be seeing higher deficits. That's kind of a given. Fucking with the ACA will only exacerbate that.

[pangaia]

24. When the Con's asshole is otherwise occupied.

Conway's mouth is just the surrogate asshole...

[DinahMoeHum]

27. Bull. Shit. Kellyanne.

n/t

[Eliot Rosewater]

28. This is a lie and if you have a preexisting condition you will be uninsurable and die

[elleng]

29. As they don't have 'a' plan, it's b.s.

as we know.

[videohead5]

30. Says

Bagdad Bobbi.

[Vinca]

31. They might get to keep it, but it's going to go up in price. Waaaaay up in price.

Pre-Obamacare was a nightmare. In 2003 our policy went from $300 a month to $1200 a month and we had never, ever filed a claim because there was a high deductible. The idiot Pennsylvania couple MSNBC has been running an interview with all day are in for a giant shock.

[Thinkingabout]

33. One point the GOP can never change is the fact President Obama got the first health care bill passed

If the GOP has complaints against the ACA is because it is a GOP plan from the Heritage Foundation, so the GOP are dogging their own policy. I can see where there can be some improvements made to the ACA and all the times the GOP has put forth bills to repeal the ACA the same energy could have been put towards improving the problems they saw. The GOP is a failure.

[kacekwl]

34. She is lying. n/t

[weissmam]

35. lying sack of shit

[WhiteTara]

36. She lies about everything. Why

would this time be different?

[elmac]

37. Yes, you will keep your insurance

but it will be tweaked a little.

[JohnnyRingo]

38. They've had seven freakin' years to come up with their plan

Now they tell us it'll be years more before they can come up with the secret health care plan they've been bragging about since 2010.

Why should they want Democrats to help?? We already instituted a plan.

[meadowlander]

54. Yes this.

And they've been bitching that Medicare is broken and running on reforming it since the 1990s.

They haven't come up with anything better in almost thirty years. They won't come up with something better in the next four.

[hatrack]

41. She Did NOT SAY What The Headline States - "We don't want anyone . . . to not have insurance".

Not even close.

Sure they "don't want" people to lose their insurance, whatever.

Doesn't mean they'll do a damned thing to prevent it from happening.

[adigal]

43. Then Pence refused to agree with that nt

[cstanleytech]

44. So does anyone here on the DU believe Kellyanne (Pinocchio) Conway?

[DeltaLitProf]

48. She's weaving word-tapestries to hide the chaos . . .

. . . because there *is* no plan. And she knows that even starting the outlines of one will result in deadly phone calls and threats from so many of those who donate to GOP politicians that they'll all start bickering and the momentum will be lost.

And then she'd have to sit across the table from the Cheetoh and his kids.

[HassleCat]

51. My dog ate it.

The check is in the mail. Don't worry; I had a vasectomy. And so on.

[Warpy]

52. It will just get so unbelievably shitty

that people will drop it and just go bankrupt if anything happens. Deductibles will increase, copays will increase, coverage, especially for preexisting conditions, will vanish, and the cost will skyrocket.

Bet on it.

[Hugin]

53. She's talking way above her pay-grade.

Which is currently, apparently, "pan-handler".

[Sunlei]

55. Republicans hire from 3? months ago, is only hired to lie for their partys 'president'.

[pansypoo53219]

56. keep clapping for stinkerbell. twterbell?

[Sparky 1]

57. Has listening to Conway ever made anyone more informed? I have yet to see it.

[YOHABLO]

59. I can't stand to watch that woman. I just change the channel or click off.

[DeminPennswoods]

61. Brill, again

Told the MSNBC host who quoted her that his mistakes were 1) taking her seriously and 2) believing anything she said.

[Grins]

63. So, it's kinda like..."If you like your doctor, you can keep your doctor"?

"If you like your doctor, you can keep your doctor. If you like your health care plan, you can keep your health care plan"?

That it? Now where have I heard that before.....?

[riversedge]

64. Kelly-You lie like your boss.

[OldRedneck]

65. Did she just say . . .

"If you have insurance, you will keep it?"

Let's save this comment so we can shove it up her ass in a few months.

[alfredo]

67. But without the protections of Obamacare?

[IronLionZion]

68. There are many Patient Protection clauses in the PPACA

that they would love to repeal. Things like banning annual and lifetime caps on payments, or rejection for pre-existing conditions, or coverage for mental health and substance abuse treatment, etc.

So if you like your insurance, you can keep paying for it but receive much less.

Something that doesn't get enough attention is the fact that more people are using it and getting treatments for long-standing ailments that they have avoided before because of cost. More people are getting annual screenings and finding important stuff that needs treatment.

[Bradical79]

69. My guess is they'd just price out a lot of us

and the administration would paint it as us choosing not to get insurance. Or we'd be able to pay for insurance that just doesn't cover anything for us less profitable Americans, like what I had through work pre-Obamacare.

[SammyWinstonJack]

70. Right.

[Nitram]

71. Appealing to the electorate's selfishness.

Hey, I got coverage, who gives a rat's ass about anyone after me?

[lark]

72. Repugs have had 8 years and still have not even the beginnings of a real plan.

They don't want a real plan obviously, that's not their goal no matter what snide lies the blonde goblin spreads for her assface boss. They absolutely don't want to spend $$ on poor people and they don't want to constrain the profits of the insurance co's or physicians.
She's saying this, but Paul Ryan who actually wrote the bill said keeping everyone covered is not in their plan or in their INTENT. They just want people to be able to get coverage if they can afford it and want to keep the subsidies so low it helps very little.

Grayson was totally right, their plan is don't get sick and if you do die quick. This is still their only true plan, the rest is just covering their asses. Conway is still BS'ing the trumpsters because they are stupid enough to believe her and him.

[Hekate]

73. Liar

[MontanaMama]

75. Yes. She is lying.

Kellyanne is even more vile than her boss. He's mentally ill. She appears to be just evil.

[harun]

78. 2 + 2 equals 5

[Doreen]

79. The fix will be this: if you have

a lot of money and I mean a lot you can have insurance and if you have a pre existing problem you will need even more. That is what it was before and that is what it will be again. Many people are going to die. Con way and Don the con and his rich thugs do not care if their slaves are sick and die because we are less than a dime a dozen to them. They are just a bunch of hateful fucks!! Pardon my language but I am pissed.

[Crunchy Frog]

80. They've had years to come up with a replacement.

Why don't they just go with Nixon's plan?

[truthisfreedom]

81. Translation: if you don't have insurance, you're fucked.

Twitler: fuck you, America.

[NastyRiffraff]

82. Oh, "Pants on Fire" Conway again?

Conway didn’t present any details on what a replacement for Obamacare would look like in the interview. She said it would be "the ideal situation" if Republicans had a replacement plan for the ACA immediately available upon repeal, but said “some experts say that it could take years to actually complete the process.”

Of course she didn't "present any details" about a replacement for ACA; there are no details to present, just as there have been none for the past eight years. How many times did we hear from Congress about a Republican plan? President Obama even told them he was willing to listen if they had a plan, but it's difficult to listen to something that doesn't, and never has, existed.

I can't stand to watch Kellyanne.

[Roland99]

83. Has she ever told the truth?? EVER??

[briv1016]

85. Remember a few week ago when they where using the term "Universal Access?"

I guess they found out people saw right through that one. This is their second attempt. (This round)

[Beartracks]

86. And after it happens: "Well, we didn't WANT to, but..."

[area51]

87. Q: How can you tell Kellyanne Fitzgerald Conway is lying?

A: Her lips are moving.

[Ligyron]

88. meh, nobody smart enough to afford insurance believes anything Skeletor Barbie says.

all that was for the deplorables to hear and believe.

[yuiyoshida]

89. That woman is the tallest pile of

Bull Pucky anyone has ever seen.

[DallasNE]

90. Does She Even Understand What Obamacare Does

Millions are covered by Medicaid expansion, which goes away with repeal, so that alone means millions lose coverage. Other millions are receiving a subsidy that makes insurance affordable. Without that millions can't afford insurance.

Republicans have had 7 years to craft a replacement plan and still don't have one so don't count on anything for several years, if ever. And millions will lose coverage. That is a certainty.

[nini]

91. As long as they get Obama's name off of it that will please many of them

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They do not want Obama to get credit for anything that may have helped those who hate him.

[orangecrush]

92. Conway

Is a lying sack of shit.