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Miles Archer

(18,837 posts)
Wed Jan 4, 2017, 10:35 PM Jan 2017

Bombshell report claims at least 50 Trump electors are illegitimate and should not have voted

Source: Raw Story

A bi-partisan legal team has issued a bombshell report challenging the Electoral College vote awarding Donald Trump the presidency, saying over 50 electors were seated illegally.

As reported by Steven Rosenfeld at Alternet, the group issued an executive summary of their “Electoral Vote Objection Packet” to Congressional members who are being asked to halt the certification the 2016 Electoral College results on Friday, January 6.

According to the report, “We have reason to believe that there are at least 50 electoral votes that were not regularly given or not lawfully certified (16 Congressional District violations and 34 Dual Office-Holder violations. The number could be over a hundred. We urge you to prepare written objections for January 6.”

At issue are charges that many of those who voted for Donald Trump were ineligible to serve as presidential electors because they either didn’t live in the congressional district they represented or because they held elective office in states legally barring dual officeholders.

Read more: http://www.rawstory.com/2017/01/bombshell-report-claims-at-least-50-trump-electors-are-illegitimate-and-should-not-have-voted/

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Bombshell report claims at least 50 Trump electors are illegitimate and should not have voted (Original Post) Miles Archer Jan 2017 OP
Please let this be accurate! nt vkkv Jan 2017 #1
It's called fake news SCantiGOP Jan 2017 #15
I'm not sure why tRump's lies aren't called lies on the lead story every night on evening news. Bernardo de La Paz Jan 2017 #18
They won't be called out because the bosses are all buddies DK504 Jan 2017 #39
It's not fake news just because you didn't follow the hyperlinks arithia Jan 2017 #19
Here is a link to the 1,000 page investigation of the election Maraya1969 Jan 2017 #21
NO, IT IS NOT "FAKE" NEWS. Miles Archer Jan 2017 #25
Sure, wake me up when this happens SCantiGOP Jan 2017 #36
it's on Salon which trends left but is not DU Generator Jan 2017 #54
You'll support your allegation with evidence and rule out the original premise, yes? LanternWaste Jan 2017 #40
Legality doesn't matter when you're bucolic_frolic Jan 2017 #2
just like ethics don't matter El Mimbreno Jan 2017 #38
Wouldn't it be great if this actually made a difference. progressoid Jan 2017 #3
Unfortunately true. Barring election fraud, tRump won the required number of electors..... groundloop Jan 2017 #6
If the electors actually weren't qualified then their votes wouldn't count pnwmom Jan 2017 #7
They wouldn't count... Unless they get counted. Beartracks Jan 2017 #9
Exactly. What we need is a case that could go to SCOTUS. n/t pnwmom Jan 2017 #12
"we're in new territory with Trump", the old rules don't apply Fast Walker 52 Jan 2017 #47
May it annoy him bigly. Tactical Peek Jan 2017 #4
If nothing else, yes! C Moon Jan 2017 #24
This DeminPennswoods Jan 2017 #41
Pretty sure it could be all of them & it would still take Congress to change anything. Crash2Parties Jan 2017 #5
Looks like this election was rigged democratisphere Jan 2017 #8
It's too late, baby. But it sure will get under his skin. Hekate Jan 2017 #10
Next stop SCOTUS. okasha Jan 2017 #11
At most it's a technicality. BainsBane Jan 2017 #13
The Constitution consists of technicalities flyingfysh Jan 2017 #17
Even without those 50 individual electors BainsBane Jan 2017 #22
Some here will defend the republicons RandiFan1290 Jan 2017 #45
Then the Dems better zentrum Jan 2017 #14
The straws we grasp are getting thinner and thinner... FailureToCommunicate Jan 2017 #16
The republicans want absolute power and I fear they'll get it under Trump. Initech Jan 2017 #23
next step is Republicans teamup with Russia to carpetbomb innocents & draw terrorist attacks to Amer Sunlei Jan 2017 #31
facts are facts... straws are straws... do rules matter anymore? Fast Walker 52 Jan 2017 #48
We'd be laughing about it if the roles were reversed. AtheistCrusader Jan 2017 #52
Yes, probably Fast Walker 52 Jan 2017 #53
The Party That Repeatedly Sounds the Alarm Over Voter Fraud--Commits Fraud in the Electoral College! dlk Jan 2017 #20
what Rs did was use low pop states to make 1 R vote equal38 D votes. like MLK said, never forget... Sunlei Jan 2017 #33
Hope offered and then snatched away can have an unexpected effect. McCamy Taylor Jan 2017 #26
Repigs would be going absolutely fucking apeshit over something like this. hadEnuf Jan 2017 #27
Was absolutely NOTHING honest about this election? world wide wally Jan 2017 #28
Is that damn Advent Calendar still going? Hugin Jan 2017 #29
to late for this. right after theRprimary was the time! but Ds didn't even use the word Republican Sunlei Jan 2017 #30
Why now? Written objections? YOHABLO Jan 2017 #32
Shows once again: Republicans only win when they cheat Doug.Goodall Jan 2017 #34
Once again: It's OK if you're a Republican IOKIYAR Fast Walker 52 Jan 2017 #49
The illegitimate Republican Draft-&-Tax-Dodger in Chief must go Achilleaze Jan 2017 #35
If they replace the electors with legitimate ones that vote the same way ehrnst Jan 2017 #37
Remember - Laws like this only help jimlup Jan 2017 #42
laws like what? Fast Walker 52 Jan 2017 #50
My point is jimlup Jan 2017 #55
ok, yes i see Fast Walker 52 Jan 2017 #58
A couple of minutes of review reveals how laughably silly this "bombshell" report is. onenote Jan 2017 #43
Unfortunately nothing is going to stop the Trump swearing in yuiyoshida Jan 2017 #44
NO FUCKING SHIT!!!! BlancheSplanchnik Jan 2017 #46
WTF is bombshell about it? Now if it changed something yes but it won't doc03 Jan 2017 #51
If it is true, Mr.Bill Jan 2017 #56
The New York Times is reporting on this now red dog 1 Jan 2017 #57

SCantiGOP

(13,871 posts)
15. It's called fake news
Wed Jan 4, 2017, 11:22 PM
Jan 2017

They don't even cite and defend the source, they merely mention it at the end of the story.
Does anyone really think this would not have been the lead story on the evening news if there was anything to it? Seriously?

Bernardo de La Paz

(49,005 posts)
18. I'm not sure why tRump's lies aren't called lies on the lead story every night on evening news.
Wed Jan 4, 2017, 11:47 PM
Jan 2017

"the lead story on the evening news if there was anything to it"

Seriously? There are NEWS programs in the evening?

DK504

(3,847 posts)
39. They won't be called out because the bosses are all buddies
Thu Jan 5, 2017, 11:45 AM
Jan 2017

there are only what, 5 media companies and they own all the stations. Discovery, ID, Animal Planet, etc.

Look what happened to Phil Donahue, Ed Schultz and KO.

arithia

(455 posts)
19. It's not fake news just because you didn't follow the hyperlinks
Wed Jan 4, 2017, 11:59 PM
Jan 2017

clicking two links lead me to the source document(s). The briefing, including supporting evidence for their findings, can be found online.


Miles Archer

(18,837 posts)
25. NO, IT IS NOT "FAKE" NEWS.
Thu Jan 5, 2017, 01:04 AM
Jan 2017

Read what the others have posted in reply to you.

Seriously.

Also seriously, if your major contribution to what I post here is going to be an attempt to discredit what I post, please do us both a favor and put me on your "ignore" list. Thank you.

SCantiGOP

(13,871 posts)
36. Sure, wake me up when this happens
Thu Jan 5, 2017, 10:15 AM
Jan 2017

When DU is the ONLY place I see a story I think I am correct in saying this is a bunch of crap.

 

Generator

(7,770 posts)
54. it's on Salon which trends left but is not DU
Thu Jan 5, 2017, 06:33 PM
Jan 2017
http://www.salon.com/2017/01/05/at-least-50-donald-trump-electors-were-illegally-seated-as-electoral-college-members-report_partner/

Of course it's from the same source-Alternet which then was picked up by RawStory and Salon. But it's not like DU made it up which is how you made it sound?!

 

LanternWaste

(37,748 posts)
40. You'll support your allegation with evidence and rule out the original premise, yes?
Thu Jan 5, 2017, 11:48 AM
Jan 2017

You'll support your allegation with evidence and rule out the original premise, yes? Or are you simply voicing your own personal brand of fake news, and holding yourself to a lower standard you hold other to?

progressoid

(49,991 posts)
3. Wouldn't it be great if this actually made a difference.
Wed Jan 4, 2017, 10:47 PM
Jan 2017

But it's just a minor thing. Like jaywalking.

I don't expect anything will be done about it.

groundloop

(11,519 posts)
6. Unfortunately true. Barring election fraud, tRump won the required number of electors.....
Wed Jan 4, 2017, 10:55 PM
Jan 2017

(with a little help from Putin, Assange, Comey, and possibly a few county clerks).

pnwmom

(108,980 posts)
7. If the electors actually weren't qualified then their votes wouldn't count
Wed Jan 4, 2017, 10:58 PM
Jan 2017

regardless of how the voters voted in their states.

Beartracks

(12,816 posts)
9. They wouldn't count... Unless they get counted.
Wed Jan 4, 2017, 11:03 PM
Jan 2017

"Whatevs," say Republicans.

"Cool story, bro," says the media.

"I do solemnly swear," says Trump.

=========

DeminPennswoods

(15,286 posts)
41. This
Thu Jan 5, 2017, 11:59 AM
Jan 2017

It's a technicality, but dropping this info in casual conversation just helps solidy the idea that Trump is an illegitimate president. He reportedly is addicted to polls, so this helps lower is approval rating which will drive him nuts.

Crash2Parties

(6,017 posts)
5. Pretty sure it could be all of them & it would still take Congress to change anything.
Wed Jan 4, 2017, 10:54 PM
Jan 2017

The GOP Congress, mind...

BainsBane

(53,035 posts)
22. Even without those 50 individual electors
Thu Jan 5, 2017, 12:22 AM
Jan 2017

he still has more than required to win the presidency. That 14 electors live outside a district and others hold two positions doesn't change how their states voted in the election and therefore how those state's electors are apportioned.

Trump will be president. Pretending otherwise helps no one.

zentrum

(9,865 posts)
14. Then the Dems better
Wed Jan 4, 2017, 11:09 PM
Jan 2017

...damn well make a huge stink. And quit bringing butter knives to gun fights.

Gore should never have rolled over in 2000 and Dems must not roll over now. Whether it's the Electors or the cabinet or the ACA or torture or SS or Medicare.

Sunlei

(22,651 posts)
31. next step is Republicans teamup with Russia to carpetbomb innocents & draw terrorist attacks to Amer
Thu Jan 5, 2017, 04:49 AM
Jan 2017

America. Much like Russia destabilized Ukraine, invaded Crimea.

Russia destabilized Turkey with the same hacked/leaked government information and started with terrorist attack on the largest Airport in the world in Turkey. Two out of the three attackers had Russian passports. That started Russias invasion of Turkey only a short year ago.

AtheistCrusader

(33,982 posts)
52. We'd be laughing about it if the roles were reversed.
Thu Jan 5, 2017, 06:13 PM
Jan 2017

I certainly would anyway.

Absent the fear of a Trump presidency, we'd consider this a laughable technicality and not even in anyway undermining a legit win by our candidate.

dlk

(11,569 posts)
20. The Party That Repeatedly Sounds the Alarm Over Voter Fraud--Commits Fraud in the Electoral College!
Thu Jan 5, 2017, 12:00 AM
Jan 2017

The sad truth is that Republicans have been cheating to win and getting away with it for a very long time. It's beyond ironic that considering all of their overt and covert action to suppress the vote under the guise of "protecting us from voter fraud," they have committed voting fraud in the Electoral College. It's highly unlikely this is their first time.

Sunlei

(22,651 posts)
33. what Rs did was use low pop states to make 1 R vote equal38 D votes. like MLK said, never forget...
Thu Jan 5, 2017, 05:12 AM
Jan 2017
Never Forget, everything hitler did was legal.

McCamy Taylor

(19,240 posts)
26. Hope offered and then snatched away can have an unexpected effect.
Thu Jan 5, 2017, 01:04 AM
Jan 2017

Kind of like gambling. It can become addicting. Healthier for the country than some other types of addictions.

hadEnuf

(2,194 posts)
27. Repigs would be going absolutely fucking apeshit over something like this.
Thu Jan 5, 2017, 01:18 AM
Jan 2017

Many Dems? Nahhhh....

Unbelievable defeatist attitude sometimes....

Hugin

(33,163 posts)
29. Is that damn Advent Calendar still going?
Thu Jan 5, 2017, 04:07 AM
Jan 2017

All I got out of it in 2016 was turds.

No doubt, what this report says is true... However, there is clear evidence of Kremlin meddling in the election and as a far worse charge has received ZERO action on the part of those who could actually do something about it. So, this far more nuanced issue will go nowhere.

I'm sorry to say, no Alice, there is no Karma. :|

Sunlei

(22,651 posts)
30. to late for this. right after theRprimary was the time! but Ds didn't even use the word Republican
Thu Jan 5, 2017, 04:41 AM
Jan 2017

they let the word "trump" shield the entire Republican party.

And look where America is today.

 

ehrnst

(32,640 posts)
37. If they replace the electors with legitimate ones that vote the same way
Thu Jan 5, 2017, 11:02 AM
Jan 2017

then nothing changes in the election outcome.

However, this still casts a huge shadow on the legitimacy of the election.

Which doesn't matter at all - the foxes have the hen house.

jimlup

(7,968 posts)
55. My point is
Thu Jan 5, 2017, 07:11 PM
Jan 2017

that the claim is that the Trump electors are not eligible because of residency laws. If the situation were reversed and Hillary's electors were being challenged by Republicans for this reason it would be a serious problem and she might struggle to retain the Presidency. But the situation is not reversed. They system is rigged and not in our favor. Just say'n

onenote

(42,714 posts)
43. A couple of minutes of review reveals how laughably silly this "bombshell" report is.
Thu Jan 5, 2017, 01:02 PM
Jan 2017

For example, the dual office holder law in Georgia states that "no person holding any civil appointment or office having any emolument annexed thereto under the United States, this state, or any other state shall have a seat in either house." The elector that the report claims should be disqualified wasn't a member of the state senate or house, he/she was a member of the school board. There are other similar examples of over-reach/misinterpretation of state/local law. (For example, in Kansas, the law provides that a member of the state assembly that holds a second position is disqualified from being a member of the state assembly; thus, they wouldn't be disqualified from being an elector).

On top of that, the report indicates that there are similar issues with Democratic electors, but doesn't quantify the extent of those issues. Nor does it indicate how many Democratic electors in states that Trump won would have had the same allegedly disqualifying issues had Clinton won.

No one is going to take this seriously.

yuiyoshida

(41,832 posts)
44. Unfortunately nothing is going to stop the Trump swearing in
Thu Jan 5, 2017, 03:24 PM
Jan 2017

Unless this guy shows up and that's highly unlikely.

red dog 1

(27,817 posts)
57. The New York Times is reporting on this now
Thu Jan 5, 2017, 08:15 PM
Jan 2017
http://mobile.nytimes.com/2017/01/05/us/politics/donald-trump-transition.html
(Click on "Show Full Article" after Dan Coats article, then scroll down past Coats article + tweets, past 2nd article, "This time Trump threatens Toyota - and Republicans are divided" .to 3rd article, "One last effort to derail Trump's presidency"

There is a pdf link to the actual 1000 page report in the 3rd paragraph, after the words,
"Their conclusion"
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