Rand Paul: Trump Backs Plan To Repeal, Replace Obamacare Simultaneously
Source: Talking Points Memo
By ALLEGRA KIRKLAND Published JANUARY 7, 2017, 9:44 AM EDT
Sen. Rand Paul (R-KY) said Friday that President-elect Donald Trump fully supports his plan to delay the repeal of Obamacare until a replacement plan is prepared. The Kentucky senator claimed on Twitter that he received these assurances from Trump directly.
Senator Rand Paul ✔
@RandPaul
I just spoke to @realDonaldTrump and he fully supports my plan to replace Obamacare the same day we repeal it. The time to act is now.
9:25 PM - 6 Jan 2017
4,812 Retweets 12,397 likes
Paul this week said it would be a huge mistake for Congress to move forward with a quick repeal of the healthcare legislation that delays replacement until two years down the line. In a Wednesday appearance on MSNBCs Morning Joe, he said repeal and delay could lead to insurance company bankruptcies.
Other senators including Susan Collins (R-ME), Bob Corker (R-TN) and Tom Cotton (R-AR) have also called for simultaneous repeal and replacement in recent days, while Lamar Alexander (R-TN) told TPM that the GOP conference should listen carefully to Rand Paul. Republicans have yet to put forward any type of proposal for replacement, citing a lack of consensus on what it would look like.
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bucolic_frolic
(43,173 posts)death panels only
tanyev
(42,559 posts)Good luck with that.
karynnj
(59,503 posts)As tweeting seems to be how the new incoming Wizard of US conveys his dictates.
Aristus
(66,380 posts)TAKE MY WORD FOR IT!..."
Paladin
(28,262 posts)I wonder if we'll ever get a timely answer to that.
underpants
(182,823 posts)much like they (thanks media) blurred the line on W and acted like that DISASTER never happened.
karynnj
(59,503 posts)Ironically, they can correct the problem caused by Justice Roberts - leaving a gap of people just above qualifying for Medicaid who can not get subsidies because they are in the range for which Medicaid should have been expanded. We did not have the votes to do anything to fix that once it happened.
It is very possible that many red state people would then find that - for them - insurance became more affordable or better - under the new Trump plan. Ironically, the better WE do in pushing against draconian plans, the better the plan will be AND the more likely that Trump might get credit. However, doing that is the only moral thing for us to do.
There is also a difference between history and politics. I think that history will correctly give Obama the credit for a major expansion of health insurance -- and the Iran deal and the impressive environmental accomplishments including the Paris accords -- and various civil rights gains especially for LGBT. I think that, politics aside, all of these are moves in the direction the world is moving.
History will not finesse what Bush did in Iraq and Afghanistan as much of the media has. I think that Obama might be blamed for Libya and for Yemen. I suspect that long term, he will not be blamed for Syria. My reason - now there are two 180 degrees apart narratives, both blaming Obama. One is he is to blame by not jumping in wholeheartedly - like in Iraq or even Libya - and kicking out Assad. The other is that he is to blame, because he did NOT give anti aircraft guns and other devastating weapons to the rebels and he did not, like Russia on the Assad side, bomb the Assad regime. One thing his administration did do was to get a UN resolution and to work hard for many ceasefires - that neither the rebels (who were our "responsibility" or Assad, who was Russia's "responsibility" ever complied with.
Politics is likely what is concerning you. History is best written when the passions related to things have died and scholars can look at what was done, the motivations and the consequences. Long before we get there, perceptions of what happened will dictate how people feel about the two parties. The sad thing is that that is one of the two big factors each party works hard to oppose the other -- though McConnell was extreme on this. The other factor is that often there is huge disagreement on what is the right thing to do. The parties are more polarized than ever - as can be seen on any chart scoring legislators on issues. There is not only no overlap, there is a big gap in the middle. (Foreign policy is the only issue where this still is not true.)
I would argue that the Democrats can NOT just become the Democratic version of McConnell. A big difference in the parties is that we believe in government and government's ability to make the lives of people easier. They had it easier as they just have to "break" things. We all know it is far harder to make things than to break them. Our job is extremely difficult. We need to push Republicans to see that things we created could help them too.
Here, somethings will be easier than others. Most of the country has no interest in foreign policy - other than a war. If Trump's team actually sees - that even for Israel - it is better to deal with a middle east where Iran does not have a nuclear weapon, they likely will keep the deal - make a fuss (as Corker calls for) of strictly enforcing it - and if (heaven forbid) Trump gets a second term - taking credit for extending beyond 10 years - ignoring that as Kerry has spelled out innumerable times, it does not end in 10 years. Even if Trump gets "credit" for some enforcement that he and the media trumpet or he gets media credit for it not ending abruptly -- Obama and Kerry, working with 6 other countries including Iran, avoided another war in the middle east in a country stronger and more popularist than Iraq or Syria.
Other things will be much harder.
karynnj
(59,503 posts)- ignore that they should need 60. I can not imagine any alternative that would get 50. Given that ACA stays until there is a new plan, every Senator needs to actually think the new plan is BETTER than ACA. This means that no Democrats- not even Manchin- should back the very bare bones ideas of people like Rand, which is not the "better" plan promised. The Republicans may be far too fractured to alone get even to 50 votes. They are avoiding the need for 60 by doing it under reconciliation which requires that it can not add to the debt. Their solution - they have banned the CBO from estimating the impact. I guess that means that having no estimates of the additional debt is now somehow equated to no additional debt. (!!??) But even under reconciliation they can only lose 3 Senators - if we keep all of ours.
Oddly, only if they agreed to ACA with some of the fixes, that Democrats could not get the needed 60 votes for in the Obama years because the Republicans wanted it to fail, could you get all the Democrats and a few Republicans wanting to claim that the "new" system was the new improved Republican Health care system. However no one would think it either new or Republican and it would not get the majority of Republican votes.
Repeal and replace was always easier as a slogan than a real plan - especially as the Obama plan was designed based on what would have been the Republican alternative. The biggest lie of the Republicans now is that because it passed with no republican votes, Obama did not try to create a bipartisan plan. Senators like Snowe, Collins, Hatch, Lugar, Grassley etc voted against a plan that did not differ that much from plans they actually SPONSORED before the Obama years. ( http://www.politifact.com/punditfact/statements/2013/nov/15/ellen-qualls/aca-gop-health-care-plan-1993/ - The fact check is for a stronger statement than I am making - that it was the 1993 Republican plan, which is countered by pointing out that many conservative Republicans were against it and more republicans favored something else.-- note that they DO say it is similar and they list many Republicans who were still in the Senate in 2009 and who all sat on their hands. My point is NOT that the majority of Republicans could ever have agreed. What did happen was that the party made every vote a party line vote. The lack of partisanship was dictated by the Republicans.
It is funny that because they set the parameters that we needed every single Democrat in every single vote for the 4 months that we had 60 Senators, the bill is more conservative than it might otherwise have been.
Feeling the Bern
(3,839 posts)MontanaMama
(23,319 posts)I wouldn't get too full of yourself counting on DFT's support. The wind can change direction. Tool.
turbinetree
(24,703 posts)This ACA (Affordable Care Act) plan is a Heritage Foundation Plan (green lighted by a fascist republicans, written by fascists republicans in a building down on K Street, to free market capitalism in the health care industry for them to make as much money as possible with out a public option, so no competition unless its among the health care "industry" you no collusion practices), its a f***ing republican plan, what are they going to replace it with------------------
I got one its a emoji
Equinox Moon
(6,344 posts)What is really important here is that 'insurance companies could go bankrupt.' Hey, knock, knock... Notice how they say nothing about the impact to human beings being thrown off health care benefits. Sociopaths.
Angry Dragon
(36,693 posts)watoos
(7,142 posts)He plans on releasing it soon. It will involve health savings accounts, which will benefit only the rich, selling insurance across state lines which will result in junk insurance and a race to the bottom.
I can't remember his other proposals, but he has a plan.
5 states already tried selling insurance across state lines, they all failed miserably. The states had no takers.
It sounds easy to say that living in Pa. that I can buy a cheaper policy from California, but that California insurance company has to set up a whole new system of doctors and hospitals which they didn't find feasible to do when states tried it.
underpants
(182,823 posts)and the insurance company will be based there and basically dominate any changes in controls.
Cosmocat
(14,564 posts)The long standing bulwark of all Republican health care reform.
Wellstone ruled
(34,661 posts)there might be a rule change to allow certain people to go on Medicare/Medicade if you can afford it. For the rest,good f---n luck. Back to the old days,if your Employer offers Insurance at some ridiculous price,that will be one of the replacements. Otherwise,you are paying some god offal premium with huge co-pays and deductibles. Remember it is all about FREE MARKET baby.
BTW,first round of Layoffs the day ACA goes away is about 3 million and the associated effect will add some 10 million Jobs.
Generator
(7,770 posts)Republcicons don't know how to govern and are now stuck with governing and don't believe in governing thus ruining millions of lives. Voters get what they were promised! Please pay attention someone that votes Repuke because your hatred of one women is going to cost your children's life. Not smart.
Bengus81
(6,931 posts)And like both Obama and Schumer have said is they've been BITCHING about ACA for six years and yet have NEVER offered up anything. NOW,they have a plan.
progree
(10,908 posts)Is that all he cares about? What about 20 million fewer people with healthcare other than the emergency room version -- stabilize them and throw them back out on the street.
rusty fender
(3,428 posts)moderate senator for our cause." When has that ever really worked out for us? The Repuke senators always fall in line
Grins
(7,217 posts)But Susan is supposed to be one of the good, moderate Republicans...?
lark
(23,102 posts)Make the rich richer and let the working poor die. Did you notice kellyann said "We don't "want" anyone to lose their insurance. She issued no guarantees and only the vague wishful thought of continuing insurance. WEll, we didn't want the poor to not be able to afford real heathcare, they can spend $ on healthcare and not eat, it's their decision. That's the true repug plan and always has been.