Arizona trooper shot in ambush attack; good samaritan kills gunman

[7962]

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Source: ABC7 Arizona

TONOPAH, Ariz. (KABC) -- An Arizona trooper trying to help a motorist in a rollover crash was shot in an ambush-style attack by a random suspect, who was then fatally shot by a Good Samaritan driving by.

The trooper with the Arizona Department of Public Safety (DPS) was at a traffic stop when he received a report about a driver whose car was shot at near a median at milepost 81 on Interstate 10, reported ABC15, an ABC affiliate in Arizona.

The trooper left the traffic stop to investigate this call when he came across a rollover crash and saw that a woman had been ejected from the wreckage.

When the trooper began working to block lanes, a suspect came from an unknown direction and "ambushed" him, according to DPS.


Read more: http://abc7.com/news/az-trooper-shot-in-ambush-attack;-good-samaritan-kills-gunman/1699112/

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ETA: Removed the original all caps headline of the news station because some folks here think there's some special meaning to it for some reason......

[humbled_opinion]

1. All the Trumpbots will be

shouting America great again over this.

[HoneyBadger]

2. Good guy with a gun

[Feeling the Bern]

4. Took how many years to get one?

[dionysus]

13. Yes, because all gun owner are homicidal maniacs, dontcha know...

[Feeling the Bern]

14. Thank NRA Talking Points guy. I owned guns too before I moved overseas

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Next you will tell me guns don't kill people, people kill people. A gun is just a tool.

[dionysus]

15. Well yes, guns are weapons people use to kill each other, far too often...

[oneshooter]

18. Were they slaves, or bound persons.

" I owned guys too before I moved overseas"

[Feeling the Bern]

22. Now we have a grammar hog. I wonder if you enjoy people laughing at your slight mistakes

and typos.

[oneshooter]

60. Still have not answered the question. n/t

[Feeling the Bern]

62. Because it is an idiotic question.

[Judi Lynn]

63. Who do you imagine appreciates your odd attack on a DU'er?

You're desperate to disrupt when you howl about one letter being hit in error in a post.

Low down, and ugly.

[MicaelS]

64. I appreciate it.

I thought it was quite funny, since poor quality posts are a pet peeve of mine.

Too many people on DU don't take the time to proofread their posts. Poor spelling, grammar, capitalization and punctuation is common. We're all supposed to be over the age of 13, so that should make mosts of us adults, and adults are supposed to know how to communicate properly.

And just because people post from their phones is no excuse, either. It does not take that long to proof one's posts, even on a phone. To do otherwise is sloppy and lazy.

And it is neither low down, nor ugly.

[oneshooter]

65. That "one letter" changes the entire meaning of the post.

Just think of the effect of a "one letter" mistake could do to history.

[pintobean]

66. I, for one

am not looking forward to any new guy control laws.

[oneshooter]

67. You for 1 understand. n/t

[Nash Teeth]

23. There are multiple stories every year

There are news stories about people defending themselves and their children during home invasions, taking on a robber in a store, hotel and convenience store clerks drawing a gun or even firing during a robbery attempt, pharmacists using guns to stop a robbery attempt, delivery drivers using guns to defend themselves. Stories about helping a cop are more likely to go national. Other stories of armed self defense don't seem as likely to pop up on the national radar screen.

Good Sam uses of a gun were going on long before we had our current gun violence epidemic. Thank ye gawds that some people have the guts and compassion to step into such a brutal and dangerous situation and the intelligence/training to know to stay out when stepping in is likely to make the situation worse. The Good Sams continue to do their good deeds at ground level, as they have done for decades, while the political debates over gun issues move through above them like weather systems.

[Feeling the Bern]

24. Okay. . .let's see some evidence.

[sarisataka]

31. From the CDC report

Priorities for Research to Reduce the Threat of Firearm-Related Violence

“Almost all national survey estimates indicate that defensive gun uses by victims are at least as common as offensive uses by criminals, with estimates of annual uses ranging from about 500,000 to more than 3 million per year…in the context of about 300,000 violent crimes involving firearms in 2008.”

[Feeling the Bern]

33. Eight year old data. Gotcha.

[sarisataka]

34. I know

that's like sooooo Obama's first term

[7962]

39. Ha!

[SecularMotion]

25. The problem is

not everyone has the "guts and compassion" or the "intelligence/training" to safely carry a weapon in public.

We need nationwide mandatory testing and training standards for public carriers, not nationwide reciprocity that weakens state gun regulations by conforming to the lowest common denominator.

[Nash Teeth]

28. Obviously.

And some do. Freedom and responsibility. The push-pull that is such a wonderful part of this country where most often we're trusted with freedom until we prove unworthy of it. It's been an interesting experiment in liberty with triumphs and crash-and-burns. If everyone took their freedom's responsibilities more seriously we'd probably be safer, more courteous and more equitable as a society.

I see this play out in mundane situations like behavior in traffic to societal concerns such as equitable hiring practices. Freedom and responsibility. Sorry to harp on that, but that issue has been my recent favorite idea, so I see it everywhere right now.

[SecularMotion]

30. Strong gun regulations make a safer society, not weasel words like "freedom and responsibility"

[Nash Teeth]

61. Weasel words?

I'm shocked that you would say that about two words that have so much gravity. Laws governing guns, pit bulls, and food ingredients or whatever are a statement by government saying to a group, "You can't be trusted with freedom to x, you showed lack of responsibility, now your freedom is curtailed." I got no problem with the process and each of us has his own trip point to call out lack of responsibility. I don't want to lose my freedoms due to someone else's irresponsibility, but that's life in the U.S. At least we have many enjoyable freedoms while they last. I love this country.

[SecularMotion]

70. Libertarian nonsense!

Fuck Ron Paul

[christx30]

71. Maybe you'd be happier in a country where

freedom isn't really a thing, and there are more controls? Singapore will cane people for spitting on the sidewalk or doing graffiti. Importation of chewing gum will get you a $1000 fine. Granted, their walls look nice, but there's less freedom.

If you think freedom and liberty are "libertarian nonsense".

[SecularMotion]

72. I'm fine right here in the Northeast

If you need more "freedom and liberty" go to Somalia.

[Renew Deal]

26. The first good guy with a gun was shot by a bad guy with a gun

[bucolic_frolic]

3. This would have been far more complex

in a crowded area such as a retail store, bar, mall, parking lot, city or town.
There would have been more targets to sort out for example.

[HoneyBadger]

45. The guy who was trying to kill the uniformed cop would have been a good guess though

[bucolic_frolic]

57. Yes

For the first armed bystander to notice. The third and subsequent armed
civilians to focus their attention on the scene would see two or more people
shooting at each other. Which is which? Which fired first? Which is the
good guy, which is the bad guy?

In the moment, perfect knowledge is not available to all participants.

[Ligyron]

5. A random accident and an assassin just happens to be in the area

to take advantage of it?

Odd, very odd.

[NutmegYankee]

7. Additional Info: Attacker may have been driving car that rolled.

http://tucson.com/news/state-and-regional/man-attacking-arizona-trooper-shot-and-killed-by-passing-driver/article_0c12981c-d8e9-11e6-8737-bfce040846c0.html

[Ligyron]

8. Yeah, that's more like it.

[flying rabbit]

6. Kudos to the good samaritan.

Hope the trooper is alright.

[Hekate]

9. why are you shouting?

[7962]

10. Rules say copy headline EXACTLY as it is & thats the way it came out.

Its TV7 shouting, not me!

[Kali]

12. the person voted most popular here used to use that excuse

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10028465045

you won't be penalized for doing the polite thing, there is no requirement for shouting in LBN

[7962]

19. Confused as to just what THAT train wreck of a thread was.

Couldnt even read the bulk of it; it made zero sense

[Kali]

29. really?

the OP was a group of stupid emails (Hate Mail) from disgruntled idiots and trolls who have been banned from this site. it was posted by one of the owner/administrators. the rest of the thread consists of comments about the stupidity of those emails and the morons who wrote them.

my point was about the high vote recipient, a former member here who considers herself a "journalist" (journo in her parlance), among being an expert at any subject ever discussed. she had the same habit of copying screaming, all-cap headlines to the LBN forum. Even lame local brushfire and weather reports off her "scanner" that were not of national import to (or to anyone but her). when people would call her on it or complain about rude internet behavior she would quote the "copy the headline exact" rule, too.

she is an arrogant troll with a long history of pissing off even the nicest and most patient members here. admins being among those. they finally banned her.


edit to add - thanks for changing your subject line!

[7962]

37. I do remember her from some time back. And you're welcome, no trouble at all! nt

[Mosby]

11. the passerby also called it in using the troopers radio.

[raccoon]

16. You really felt the need to put your title in ALL CAPS? Wonder why. nt

[7962]

20. because thats they way it was posted by the news channel.

Its not like we never see OPs posted that are in all caps. I imagine it was because at the time it was "breaking news" and thats what they do
Dont understand the need of so many people here to always look for some sinister agenda in such simple stuff

[Vinca]

17. Well, it had to have happened.

After hundreds of thousands of needless gun deaths, a good guy with a gun finally appears. Like the elusive yeti, we've been fed stories about good guys with a gun. Kudos to the good guy this time. He did save a life.

[sarisataka]

32. From the CDC report

Priorities for Research to Reduce the Threat of Firearm-Related Violence

“Almost all national survey estimates indicate that defensive gun uses by victims are at least as common as offensive uses by criminals, with estimates of annual uses ranging from about 500,000 to more than 3 million per year…in the context of about 300,000 violent crimes involving firearms in 2008.”

[SecularMotion]

21. Why don't they identify the "good samaritan"

Maybe he is an undocumented immigrant?

[pintobean]

35. The original good Samaritan was never identified, either.

Some people don't feel the need to seek publicity for their good deeds.

[SecularMotion]

36. The story lacks many details

This is typical of accounts of citizens using guns for self-defense or to aid others.

[pintobean]

40. Most stories lack many details

especially when there's an active investigation going on.

But hey, that gives us the opportunity to speculate on silly stuff like the immigration status of the players.

[SecularMotion]

41. Or the motivation of the players

[pintobean]

42. And the motivation of posters.

[Paladin]

44. No group demands flawless news reports in less time than pro-gun militants.

If initial news reports from shooting incidents don't include absolutely perfect descriptions of the weapons and calibers used, pro-gunners go into apoplectic fits of rage.

But you already know that, don't you?

[pintobean]

46. No, I don't know that

and I don't believe it's true.

[Paladin]

47. Pay attention to the next half-dozen shooting reports here at DU, then get back to me.

It's an easily-observed phenomenon.

[pintobean]

49. It's chain yanking

by a few. Successful chain yanking, it appears.

[sarisataka]

56. Have you paid attention

to shooting reports that turn out to be erroneous? Take Ohio State for example; the "active shooter" used a car and knife.

The initial outrage and mass assignation of guilt fizzles into meek questions of why the assailant felt the need to lash out, or silence. If one didn't know better it could be perceived that the concern is less for the victims and more about the weapon...

[Paladin]

58. Gun enthusiasts seem to register very little concern for shooting victims.

So much easier for them to blow a gasket over an initial news report which assigns an "assault rifle" term to a firearm which doesn't precisely adhere to an NRA-approved feature listing. Happens all the time, here at DU.

[sarisataka]

59. I don't notice much concern

from... anti-gun enthusiasts(?) for shooting victims either. If it is there it gets lost in 'responsible gun owner' memes and penis references. I simply note the drop off in outrage when a gun isn't involved.

Actually the Ohio State incident was interesting in that those stabbed were essentially forgotten but the assailant took on some mantle of victimhood after being shot by a police officer. I recall some debate as to whether the officer put the students at greater danger by firing his weapon as they could run away from a knife wielding attacker. In addition some questioned the necessity of shooting a man who was armed with only a knife and should other methods of restraint been employed.

Personally I do not get bothered by incorrect terminology in reporting. There have been so many multiple shooter incidents that turn out to be one man and shootings that don't have a gun involved I hardly expect any accuracy in make, model, caliber; such is irrelevant anyway in a news report. Others may be more stringent.

[yagotme]

48. It would be nice,

if "news reporters" actually reported facts, not guesses/conjecture. The desire to be "the firstest with the mostest" leads to a lot of disinformation, "fake news", etc., that is hard to retract/correct once it's out in the cloud. Descriptions of firearms used, descriptions of suspect, so on, so forth, should be held until the TRUTH is actually known. Or, at least, use "May", "Might", etc.

[Paladin]

50. Thanks for stepping into the breach and proving my point so nicely.

Bonus points for the quotes around "news reporters."

[yagotme]

51. Thought about using "talking heads",

but the "news reporter" aspect digs a little deeper.

[Paladin]

52. And look at that! 43% of your posts in Gun Control/RKBA!

Imagine my total lack of surprise.

[yagotme]

53. Squirrel!

[Paladin]

54. Flattery will get you nowhere. Thanks again. (nt)

[yagotme]

55. You're welcome. n/t

[7962]

38. good point nt

[Renew Deal]

27. What happened to be car that was shot at near the median?

Did that actually happen?

This cop was involved in 4 incidents at the same time.

Traffic stop, responding to shots fired, came across an accident, and was shot himself. Crazy! I have sympathy for cops in general because it is a very tough job. It doesn't excuse the bad things that happen.

[Devil Child]

43. Lucky timing

Thankful the officer is safe, hope the good samaritan is supported moving forward.

[Blue_Warrior]

68. What a tragic situation

For everyone involved.

[Devil Child]

69. Update

Motorist who aided wounded trooper recalls fear, confusion

Brian Schober, a 44-year-old systems engineer, told The Associated Press that he saw the trooper's vehicle parked in a traffic lane marked with flares when he first came upon the nighttime scene.

He said he didn't think twice about stopping when the motorist who had shot the attacker flagged him down.

"It looks wrong with a civilian flagging down a car when there's an officer there — something's wrong," Schober said, recalling his reaction. "But what can I do? There's no time to think."

The former volunteer emergency medical technician said both wounded men were on the pavement along with a woman who authorities say was fatally injured after being ejected from the attacker's vehicle when it rolled over earlier.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/passing-driver-kills-man-attacking-arizona-trooper-road-083744215.html

Some new information in this article, it appears there was a second good samaritan who arrived on scene to assist.