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highplainsdem

(48,999 posts)
Fri Jan 13, 2017, 01:11 PM Jan 2017

Commanding general of D.C. National Guard to be removed from post

Source: Washington Post

The head of the D.C. National Guard, Maj. Gen. Errol R. Schwartz, said Friday that he has been ordered removed from his command effective Jan. 20, 12:01 p.m., just as Donald Trump is sworn in as president.

Schwartz’s forced departure will come in the midst of the presidential inauguration that he has spent months helping plan alongside D.C. police, the U.S. Secret Service and other top District officials. He will turn over command to an interim as power transfers from one president to the next, and just before the inaugural parade marches down Pennsylvania Avenue.

“The timing is extremely unusual,” Schwartz said in an interview Friday morning, confirming a memo announcing his ouster that was obtained by The Washington Post. During the inauguration, Schwartz would command not only the members of the D.C. guard but also an additional 5,000 troops sent in from across the country to help. He also would oversee military air support protecting the nation’s capital during the inauguration.

“My troops will be on the street,” Schwartz, 65, said. “I’ll see them off but I won’t be able to welcome them back to the armory.” He said that he would “never plan to leave a mission in the middle of a battle.”

-snip-

Read more: https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/public-safety/commanding-general-of-dc-national-guard-to-be-removed-from-post/2017/01/13/725a0438-d99e-11e6-b8b2-cb5164beba6b_story.html



Schwartz also said that he wasn't told WHY he's been asked to step down.
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Commanding general of D.C. National Guard to be removed from post (Original Post) highplainsdem Jan 2017 OP
Easy! machoneman Jan 2017 #1
We should be so lucky if they were that blunt and obvious. AtheistCrusader Jan 2017 #6
wearing face mask so they can blend in 2naSalit Jan 2017 #7
Oh yeah. The young men in the Che Guevara T shirt with regulation style hair-cuts. alphafemale Jan 2017 #44
And are "let go" as soon as they get to the 2naSalit Jan 2017 #46
Absolutely, so they can violate protester rights outside of what the law requires. ffr Jan 2017 #33
That's where it's at for them...nt 2naSalit Jan 2017 #47
This seems really, really strange unc70 Jan 2017 #2
just like demanding all ambassadors home by inauguration demigoddess Jan 2017 #28
Ya think? colorado_ufo Jan 2017 #31
The stench is palpable... 2naSalit Jan 2017 #49
This is very ominous. WheelWalker Jan 2017 #3
and obvious....nt 2naSalit Jan 2017 #8
Just in time to shut down anti-Trump protests in the streets MrPurple Jan 2017 #4
Here we go.... DK504 Jan 2017 #5
In addition to good walking shoes and warm coats... redwitch Jan 2017 #10
I don't, I have family and friends in that march. mahina Jan 2017 #14
Edited in light of news reports later Friday and mahatmakanejeeves Jan 2017 #9
This is very disturbing. The Velveteen Ocelot Jan 2017 #11
Exactly!! "or worse" - will the National Guard or any other US military Leghorn21 Jan 2017 #15
Remember Kent State? The Velveteen Ocelot Jan 2017 #16
May 4th 1970 Kent State Ohio PearliePoo2 Jan 2017 #17
Oh indeed I do, having come up in the 60's Leghorn21 Jan 2017 #22
The military will not turn on civilians trc Jan 2017 #51
Thank you, trc, for your reply Leghorn21 Jan 2017 #54
I dont understand this at all. How can Trump be giving orders before he is sworn in? GusBob Jan 2017 #12
He's not giving orders. What he did was mahatmakanejeeves Jan 2017 #13
This only makes sense if tRump plans on declaring martial law to stop the protests planned on and af Augiedog Jan 2017 #18
Another Thing That Would make Sense Leith Jan 2017 #35
He's being stupid. The U.S. military is not set up like a rent-a-cop/merc company. haele Jan 2017 #36
Oh. My. God. classof56 Jan 2017 #19
This Info Scares Me More Than Anything That Has Come Out Of Trump Tower.... global1 Jan 2017 #20
Changing command in the midst of large protests IronLionZion Jan 2017 #21
"Unless they are counting on chaos and disorganization" Um, yes. Trump rules by chaos. nt Hekate Jan 2017 #45
Be afraid IronLionZion Jan 2017 #53
It might be related to his age Lurks Often Jan 2017 #23
the coup continues unabated. Dems in DC need to find some spines quickly so do the rest of us. mulsh Jan 2017 #24
5000 troops called in to "help?" malthaussen Jan 2017 #25
military and police will all back trump. he is their kinda guy morally speaking nt msongs Jan 2017 #30
I beg to differ with you msongs, Being a retired military man I talk with alot of current military.. Old Vet Jan 2017 #37
DC National Guard? Really? NT mahatmakanejeeves Jan 2017 #39
Is that a fact? IronLionZion Jan 2017 #42
That's pretty average for an inauguration jmowreader Jan 2017 #43
Trump has to make sure he has a loyal general in charge of the DC National Guard when neverforget Jan 2017 #26
Anybody ever see the film "Seven Days in May"..... Interesting... winstars Jan 2017 #27
This terrifies me! colorado_ufo Jan 2017 #29
Anybody who attends the DC protests might want to invest The Velveteen Ocelot Jan 2017 #32
Trump is paranoid that someone will assassinate him Fearless Jan 2017 #34
Trump long ago left Nixon-land waaaay behind. Hekate Jan 2017 #48
I wouldn't disagree. Fearless Jan 2017 #58
This is completely irrational. n/t SpankMe Jan 2017 #38
Considering that Trump has dgibby Jan 2017 #40
I don't see anywhere aquamarina Jan 2017 #41
Given how many careerists he has canned without replacements in sight, I'd say nobody Hekate Jan 2017 #50
He didn't can career foreign service officers. He canned political appointees onenote Jan 2017 #56
Sadly facts don't seem to matter much here anymore Lurks Often Jan 2017 #57
Looking at the DC NG website, Leghorn21 Jan 2017 #55
I found this: Keefer Jan 2017 #52
Martial law in D.C. orangecrush Jan 2017 #59

machoneman

(4,007 posts)
1. Easy!
Fri Jan 13, 2017, 01:16 PM
Jan 2017

Trump will appoint a SS Storm Trooper, likely a Bannon pick, in one of those scary all black uniforms!

AtheistCrusader

(33,982 posts)
6. We should be so lucky if they were that blunt and obvious.
Fri Jan 13, 2017, 01:19 PM
Jan 2017

Fucking wake some 'moderates' up to the slow approach to boil they are ignoring.

2naSalit

(86,646 posts)
7. wearing face mask so they can blend in
Fri Jan 13, 2017, 01:20 PM
Jan 2017

wit the thugs who plan to disrupt any and all peaceful exercise of 1st Amendment rights.

My sister just called and told me how she and her daughters were planning to go to the march on the 21st and ended up cancelling due to a number of scheduling issues but also because they were concerned about the disruptors after seeing so much about it on FB and other social media.

 

alphafemale

(18,497 posts)
44. Oh yeah. The young men in the Che Guevara T shirt with regulation style hair-cuts.
Fri Jan 13, 2017, 06:49 PM
Jan 2017

And wearing shiny shoes.

2naSalit

(86,646 posts)
46. And are "let go" as soon as they get to the
Fri Jan 13, 2017, 06:52 PM
Jan 2017

paddy wagon to go and do some more damage while on the clock.

ffr

(22,670 posts)
33. Absolutely, so they can violate protester rights outside of what the law requires.
Fri Jan 13, 2017, 03:19 PM
Jan 2017

This is a gear up for a battle to put down any protest that is planned.

demigoddess

(6,641 posts)
28. just like demanding all ambassadors home by inauguration
Fri Jan 13, 2017, 03:02 PM
Jan 2017


very strange, almost as if he is planning an attack at that time.

2naSalit

(86,646 posts)
49. The stench is palpable...
Fri Jan 13, 2017, 06:54 PM
Jan 2017

wouldn't put it past the whole cabal... and I bet it will start WWIII w/Russia.

DK504

(3,847 posts)
5. Here we go....
Fri Jan 13, 2017, 01:19 PM
Jan 2017

Twittler will start to oder the Nat'l Guard to attack any and all protestors. I'd really like to see him try. And yet another crime to his growing list.

redwitch

(14,944 posts)
10. In addition to good walking shoes and warm coats...
Fri Jan 13, 2017, 01:21 PM
Jan 2017

Be prepared to protect your eyes and lungs on the 21st.

mahina

(17,664 posts)
14. I don't, I have family and friends in that march.
Fri Jan 13, 2017, 01:37 PM
Jan 2017

I'd like them to come home safely.

I'm sure you do too. Just hoping this goes better than it sounds.

mahatmakanejeeves

(57,484 posts)
9. Edited in light of news reports later Friday and
Fri Jan 13, 2017, 01:20 PM
Jan 2017

Last edited Sat Jan 14, 2017, 03:09 PM - Edit history (2)

onenote's post later Friday afternoon.

I assume that Trump will put himself in command and order his troops to seize Hillary Clinton.

This will let Vladimir Putin know that we are to be respected.

Is there any other reason?


The timing seems poorly thought out.

Schwartz said he would oversee duties in a command center and then depart at 12:01 p.m., retiring from the Army.

Schwartz said that he has been swamped with inauguration duties and packing up four decades’ worth of papers and accumulated items, and has not yet been able to inform District officials, including the mayor and the chair of the D.C. Council. Unlike in states, where the governor appoints the National Guard commander, in the District that duty falls to the president.
....

Peter Hermann covers crime for The Washington Post.  Follow @phscoop

Paging Alex Jones....

The Velveteen Ocelot

(115,732 posts)
11. This is very disturbing.
Fri Jan 13, 2017, 01:21 PM
Jan 2017

He will be replaced by a pro-Trump goon who will use the NG to intimidate the demonstrators, or worse.

Leghorn21

(13,524 posts)
15. Exactly!! "or worse" - will the National Guard or any other US military
Fri Jan 13, 2017, 01:39 PM
Jan 2017

forces or mercs or "militias" fire at will on civilians?

I am terrified to put this question in writing, but have been wondering about this since the first protests in November

The Velveteen Ocelot

(115,732 posts)
16. Remember Kent State?
Fri Jan 13, 2017, 01:41 PM
Jan 2017

Members of the Ohio National Guard murdered 4 unarmed college students in cold blood.

Leghorn21

(13,524 posts)
22. Oh indeed I do, having come up in the 60's
Fri Jan 13, 2017, 02:15 PM
Jan 2017

But I'm just wondering if the US military/LEOs in whatever branch (NG, local law enforcement, USMC, Army, mercs, etc etc) - would they turn their weapons en masse on their fellow civilian citizens?

I know I'm not the only one wondering this...and I'm picturing cold blooded "mass murder" in the streets, as opposed to "mass arrests", and I'm just wondering if our military could do that, orders or no orders, and I guess I just hope they are not capable, and that they all stand down, en masse -

It's an unanswerable question, I realize...I'm just...quietly flipping out as I try to brace for the worse, the worst possible scenario here -

trc

(823 posts)
51. The military will not turn on civilians
Fri Jan 13, 2017, 07:09 PM
Jan 2017

Every single US military member takes an oath to defend the US Constitution against all enemies foreign and domestic. They will not follow unlawful orders.

mahatmakanejeeves

(57,484 posts)
13. He's not giving orders. What he did was
Fri Jan 13, 2017, 01:35 PM
Jan 2017

to inform the CO that as of noon on January 20 his services would no longer be needed.

Augiedog

(2,548 posts)
18. This only makes sense if tRump plans on declaring martial law to stop the protests planned on and af
Fri Jan 13, 2017, 01:51 PM
Jan 2017

After the inauguration

Leith

(7,809 posts)
35. Another Thing That Would make Sense
Fri Jan 13, 2017, 03:56 PM
Jan 2017

Is what happens when a new CEO takes control of a company, he fires the last CEO's people, brings in his own in those positions. In a private company, that happens a lot, but not usually that quickly. It usually takes months for a new VP to take over from the old one.

In public service, there has to be continuity of governance. orange boy's abruptness is worrisome.

haele

(12,659 posts)
36. He's being stupid. The U.S. military is not set up like a rent-a-cop/merc company.
Fri Jan 13, 2017, 04:17 PM
Jan 2017

There's a 200 year bureaucracy embedded in the DoD and most NG units where authority is designated down, rather than up; in a battle, if your C.O becomes incapacitated, the next person down needs to be able to take command. Unlike a typical business where there can be days between any critical decision, a unit under fire or on a critical deployment can't just wait for the General or Admiral above the downed C.O. to look over likely candidates and put a new guy in place.
There have been instances of the final authority for a unit being delegated from an O-4 (officer at a level 4 in hierarchy) down 6 positions to an E-6 (enlisted at a level 6 of 8) taking command of that unit. They'll just keep going down the line until a replacement for the original officer can officially swear in and take command.
The time it would take to actually replace the Command structure of the D.C. National Guard to meet Trumputin's approval will take months at the very least. I wouldn't worry too much about the current D.C. National Guard unit - I would be concerned about the unit once the rank and file members are purged.

Haele

classof56

(5,376 posts)
19. Oh. My. God.
Fri Jan 13, 2017, 01:53 PM
Jan 2017

I try hard not to let fear overcome me, but the level keeps growing. This is very, very scary.

Lord help us all!

global1

(25,252 posts)
20. This Info Scares Me More Than Anything That Has Come Out Of Trump Tower....
Fri Jan 13, 2017, 02:01 PM
Jan 2017

This is ominous. Is Trump's ego at work here again? Has he heard that the 21st crowds will be bigger in protest than the 20th crowds? He can't have that now - can he?

Maybe he's hoping that this action of removing Schwartz will make the news shows and it will be enough to scare people away from coming on the 21st and thin the crowd.

I'm sure his paid trolls are hard at work on social media to further scare people from coming to D.C. on the 21st or scare those that are coming to cancel their plans.

I hear a lot of talk on MSM news shows about the events of the 20th - have any reported on the 21st events?

IronLionZion

(45,450 posts)
21. Changing command in the midst of large protests
Fri Jan 13, 2017, 02:08 PM
Jan 2017

is a recipe for disaster. Unless they are counting on chaos and disorganization to achieve some other agenda, like justifying something bad.

I'm sure the Trump pick is someone who is willing to do things that a decent rational human being wouldn't.

We've seen how he handles journalists. Maybe he wants to make America great again by handling protestors in a much more Russian-inspired way.

IronLionZion

(45,450 posts)
53. Be afraid
Fri Jan 13, 2017, 07:19 PM
Jan 2017

that way people can be easy to control and willing to accept atrocities committed in the name of keeping us safe.

"When fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in the flag and carrying a cross." - Sinclair Lewis

 

Lurks Often

(5,455 posts)
23. It might be related to his age
Fri Jan 13, 2017, 02:18 PM
Jan 2017

It might be related to his age as mandatory retirement for active duty Major Generals is 64

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Major_general_(United_States)#Retirement

Trump, Pence and none of the incoming administration has any authority to issue an order like this until after he is sworn in and replacing the commanding officer of the Washington DC National Guard is hardly a priority.

Who issued this order and why didn't the Washington Post report who issued the order if they had a copy of the memo relieving Gen. Schwartz of his command?

mulsh

(2,959 posts)
24. the coup continues unabated. Dems in DC need to find some spines quickly so do the rest of us.
Fri Jan 13, 2017, 02:20 PM
Jan 2017

I of course include myself.

malthaussen

(17,202 posts)
25. 5000 troops called in to "help?"
Fri Jan 13, 2017, 02:40 PM
Jan 2017

That's pretty ominous under any circumstances.

I'll tell ya one thing, I wouldn't want to be the junior officer responsible for giving any crowd control orders. The first rule is to only give orders that have a reasonable chance of being obeyed.

-- Mal

Old Vet

(2,001 posts)
37. I beg to differ with you msongs, Being a retired military man I talk with alot of current military..
Fri Jan 13, 2017, 04:29 PM
Jan 2017

families and troops. The military is as spilt on Trump as the rest of the country, Many Ive spoken to are as concerned as we are.

jmowreader

(50,559 posts)
43. That's pretty average for an inauguration
Fri Jan 13, 2017, 06:47 PM
Jan 2017

They did it for Obama too. And both Bushes, Bill Clinton...if Hillary would have won the electoral college, they would have done it for her too. Many of them will be unarmed and posted to help direct traffic.

Compared to canning the CG of the District of Columbia National Guard for undisclosed reasons, this is a very large nothingburger.

neverforget

(9,436 posts)
26. Trump has to make sure he has a loyal general in charge of the DC National Guard when
Fri Jan 13, 2017, 02:49 PM
Jan 2017

shit hits the fan, for martial law. Just my tin foil hat

The Velveteen Ocelot

(115,732 posts)
32. Anybody who attends the DC protests might want to invest
Fri Jan 13, 2017, 03:15 PM
Jan 2017

in body armor. And watch out for agents provocateurs, because you can bet they'll be there.

dgibby

(9,474 posts)
40. Considering that Trump has
Fri Jan 13, 2017, 05:29 PM
Jan 2017

surrounded himself with Generals, this makes no sense from a military standpoint, unless, of course, they have already selected a puppet who will replace Schwartz. Being retired Navy, I am inclined to think that's what's happening. I'm guessing D.C. will be the most dangerous place in the country on Inauguration Day, and I am very fearful for the well-being of the participants on the Women's March, scheduled for the next day. One of my nieces is determined to go to the march, and nothing I can say will dissuade her.

Hekate

(90,714 posts)
50. Given how many careerists he has canned without replacements in sight, I'd say nobody
Fri Jan 13, 2017, 07:00 PM
Jan 2017

All the diplomats overseas -- told to walk out the door and leave the keys under the mat. The top 2 people in charge of our Nuclear Maintenance will be gone, leaving the #3 guy to say, "We are fucked."

Benedict Donald is a Trojan Horse.

I am glad I am not going to DC on this pass; I'll be praying for everyone's safety tho. Really, I anticipate no trouble at the Los Angeles march, but I am becoming downright frightened for those going to Washington.

onenote

(42,714 posts)
56. He didn't can career foreign service officers. He canned political appointees
Fri Jan 13, 2017, 07:46 PM
Jan 2017

Facts should still matter to us, even if they don't matter to Trump and his bunch of lying thugs.

And the fact that a vacancy exists doesn't mean everything falls apart or grinds to a halt. There are non-political appointee careerists in most agencies that will take over in an "acting" capacity. The DC National Guard has a very able group of deputies working below the Commanding General.

In the short run, things will keep moving. To be honest, we're better off than if he had his own people ready to take the reins.

The plain fact is that every president replaces the previous administration's political appointees. Keeping with past practice, Obama asked most of his appointees to submit their resignations by December 7 -- and he made that request on November 7, before election day.

What is different this time is that rather than spend the transition period making considered judgments whether to keep a political appointee on the job or let them go, Trump's team seems to have simply sent notices to everyone. Generally speaking not many political appointees are asked to stick around, but a few are when it makes sense in terms of a smooth transition. But Trump's not bothering with figuring that stuff out. It's fire 'em all and worry about it later.

 

Lurks Often

(5,455 posts)
57. Sadly facts don't seem to matter much here anymore
Fri Jan 13, 2017, 09:48 PM
Jan 2017

people would much rather believe things that fit their preconceptions of what they think the "facts" are.

Leghorn21

(13,524 posts)
55. Looking at the DC NG website,
Fri Jan 13, 2017, 07:33 PM
Jan 2017

this gentleman, Brigadier General Renwick L. Payne, appears to be second in command?

http://dc.ng.mil/History/Command/TAG/Pages/default.aspx

...but who knows if he's been sacked as well -

Keefer

(713 posts)
52. I found this:
Fri Jan 13, 2017, 07:17 PM
Jan 2017
As is customary, Schwartz, like other presidential appointees, submitted a letter of resignation to give the new administration a clean start. He had done so before, but the Obama administration twice declined to accept.


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