U.S Airstrikes in Libya on ISIS Camps

[FrankfurtCat]

Source: CNN

(CNN) "US B-2 bombers struck ISIS camps in southern Libya overnight, several US officials told CNN Thursday.

The mission, which is expected to be the last, short-notice military operation ordered by President Barack Obama, was approved several days ago by the President."

Read more: http://www.cnn.com/2017/01/19/politics/us-airstrikes-libya-isis/

[Javaman]

1. oh, we are at war with Libya? who knew?

[AngryAmish]

2. You forgot Poland.

[uhnope]

4. what's that even supposed to mean?

[IronLionZion]

23. It was a Bush reference

as he constantly reminded people that he built up a coalition of allied countries to invade Iraq even thought it was mostly American soldiers.

Trump and Putin may have different plans for Poland.

[uhnope]

26. ok thx

I thought it was a reference to the presence of US forces in Poland

[uhnope]

3. um...with ISIS nt

[Javaman]

5. I forgot, that allows us to bomb anywhere we like.

[FrankfurtCat]

6. The temporary Libyan government has reportedly asked for U.S. help in dealing with ISIS/ISIL

So.....

[Javaman]

8. yup and it completely ignores congress.

we work at the beheast of other nations.

we are so far down the rabbit hole that actions like these seem to be perfectly okay.

and the president has been given carte blanche to do as he wishes.

once upon a time... bah, what's the point. we all seem to be perfectly okay with this now.

[harun]

10. +1

[uhnope]

16. Wrong. Congress is well aware. Care to explain what "other nations" you refer to?

[Javaman]

22. aware and voting to give approval on the "war on terror" are two vastly different things.

congress never ever voted for this bullshit.

yet we, the American public just motor along as if it's just business as usual.

[IronLionZion]

24. A Republican congress will gleefully vote for bullshit

and they love war

[uhnope]

7. you're apparently unaware that these are at the request of and in coordination w/the Libyan gov

all that erroneous head-smacking could be harmful, you know

[harun]

9. Like no one would ever call in an airstrike on a political opponent and call them terrorists

The constitution is clear it is Congress who must declare war, not that anyone pays attention to that anymore.

[Javaman]

11. +1 nt

[uhnope]

13. The Libyan gov does not just call in the targets

Obama is a Constitutional scholar and knows what he's doing in terms of staying within the Constitution and Congressional approval.

[harun]

17. That's the problem with trusting the President with the power to airstrike at their

choosing. Without debate, due process, or having to make the case to the American people.

We have less than 48 hours of a constitutional scholar at the trigger.

[Javaman]

12. see my comment at #8.

and again

[uhnope]

14. see #13. Is erroneous head-smacking a hobby?

[Javaman]

19. and yet, you don't refute what I say

we now have a situation where the president, any president can bomb any nation without approval from congress. And it's all under the guise of the "war on terror" and you seem to be perfectly okay with that.

I have written many times regarding this and this is nothing new.

What is new is people of this nation and members of DU seem to be just fine with it.

we are a cartoon of a democracy.

[uhnope]

20. I did

Congress is involved, and "any president can bomb any nation without approval from congress" is a gross exaggeration

[Javaman]

21. no, a "war on terror" was declared by george w. moron*

and congress just rolled along with it without its voted approval.

and here we are, any president, the orange menace included, can now bomb whom they want without a peep from congress.

so bend yourself into pretzels all you want, the reality is: we live in a nation of permanent war footing without congressional approval to go ahead and allow a president to bomb whom they want.

more over, if congress had voted for this bullshit, there would be, every 30 days, a check in congress for further approval.

so, this is the rabbit hole we are down and we now have a mad man in the WH that has this power now.

[uhnope]

25. while some find an apocalyptic POV satisfying, the reality is more complicated

some reading
http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/2016/01/26/senate-lobs-islamic-state-war-authority-back-obama-seeking-fewer-limits/79353428/
http://www.newyorker.com/news/john-cassidy/obama-war-isis-debate-begin

Meanwhile if you have pointers on how to better fight a terror group operating across borders in multiple states, maybe share them with the Joint Chiefs of Staff

[FrankfurtCat]

15. We're well aware that Congress has rolled over on this issue in respect to the "War on Terror"

Maybe you'll prefer how Trump handles things.

[Javaman]

18. that doesn't make any sense.

trump will have the same powers as Obama.

basically a laissez faire congress who doesn't do their job.

and you seem to like using that old canard of me preferring trump. Really? At this stage of the game you are resorting to that? I'm not even going to dignify that.

and so because we are all aware of congress rollling over, we should all be okay with that? wow, just wow.

this is what I meant in my first comment about us being so far down the rabbit hole that we have lost all sense of reality.

[FrankfurtCat]

27. That was my way of ending the dialogue. You were repeating yourself over and over, and I get it-

-you made your point-the head-smacks don't add to your argument. We can't change the past, we would like the future to be different. The problem is the difference we are going to see may be so much worse than what we are accustomed to now. If you think Obama has abused his power, which is a power I believe he respects, how much worse will Trump abuse the same power, a power he neither truly understands nor remotely respects?

I never gave my opinion of these latest airstrikes. I thought the article was worth posting because it reports the probable last military action the U.S. will conduct under President Obama.

I'm sure you don't support Trump in any way.

Here's to the hope and the remote possibility that he will pleasantly surprise us!