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DonViejo

(60,536 posts)
Tue Feb 28, 2017, 11:40 AM Feb 2017

Israel 'must be ready to accept fleeing US Jews'

Source: Newsweek


28 FEB 2017 AT 07:16 ET

Israel's opposition leader Isaac Herzog delivered a startling message to the Trump administration on Monday: Israel must prepare to accept American Jews fleeing the country amid a new wave of anti-Semitism.

The leader of the Zionist Union Party—the main challenger to Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu’s right-wing Likud faction and far-right coalition—was reacting to a rise of anti-Semitic incidents in the U.S., including the desecration of tombstones at a Jewish cemetery in Philadelphia and multiple bomb threats at Jewish centers and schools across the country.

"I call on the government to urgently prepare and draw up a national emergency plan for the possibility of waves of immigration of our Jewish brothers to Israel,” Herzog said at a meeting of his party on Monday, Israeli newspaper Haaretz reported.

He stopped short of censuring the Trump administration, which Jewish groups have criticized for its slow reaction to condemn the rising threat. Herzog instead said he was “convinced that the American government would do everything it can to harshly and aggressively eradicate this phenomenon.”



Read more: http://www.rawstory.com/2017/02/israel-must-be-ready-to-accept-fleeing-us-jews/

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Israel 'must be ready to accept fleeing US Jews' (Original Post) DonViejo Feb 2017 OP
"The Jews returning to rebuild the temple"... yallerdawg Feb 2017 #1
I think I finally realize what it's like to be a Jew. Girard442 Feb 2017 #2
I would consider that that hatred is not limited to Jews -- it is the nativist, white nationalist karynnj Feb 2017 #7
There's an old saying that 'Jews always have a suitcase packed'. COLGATE4 Feb 2017 #13
Thank you. Behind the Aegis Feb 2017 #21
All those Jewish Trumpers n2doc Feb 2017 #3
Fewer than a quarter of Jews voted for Trump DavidDvorkin Feb 2017 #10
That's still a significant number. n2doc Feb 2017 #12
1 out of 4 Jews seems a LOT to vote for Trump titaniumsalute Feb 2017 #14
Note how little the number has changed since the last few elections DavidDvorkin Feb 2017 #16
Of course, no one bothers to take in consideration the actual numbers. Behind the Aegis Feb 2017 #20
Everything is ALWAYS our fault MosheFeingold Feb 2017 #22
Yep. DavidDvorkin Feb 2017 #28
But but but... Trump is a friend of the Jews because he moved the embassy to Jerusalem! DetlefK Feb 2017 #4
Wow - This is evidence that Israel, for the most part, has no understanding of American Jews karynnj Feb 2017 #5
This message was self-deleted by its author longship Feb 2017 #6
Incoherence on my part.I started to type one word than changed midstream while talking to someone karynnj Feb 2017 #8
I often edit my posts here multiple times. longship Feb 2017 #9
This message was self-deleted by its author karynnj Feb 2017 #11
Usually happens to me when I am on my nexus 7 and googles "auto correct" decides it thinks it knows cstanleytech Feb 2017 #27
Yeah, the opposition cares, but Bibi doesn't. lark Feb 2017 #15
This is nothing but a polite politcal jab. Behind the Aegis Feb 2017 #17
But I thought Israel luurrrved Trump? Blue_Tires Feb 2017 #18
Israel is as monolith as Jews or African-Americans. Behind the Aegis Feb 2017 #19
My mistake, I should have clarified with "Israeli government" Blue_Tires Feb 2017 #23
And, as demonstrated in the article... Behind the Aegis Feb 2017 #25
they really want all to go bora13 Feb 2017 #24
More settlements no_hypocrisy Feb 2017 #26

yallerdawg

(16,104 posts)
1. "The Jews returning to rebuild the temple"...
Tue Feb 28, 2017, 11:46 AM
Feb 2017

is straight out of biblical prophecy forecasting the end times.

As long as we stay away from 'nuclear armageddon' we'll be alright!

Girard442

(6,082 posts)
2. I think I finally realize what it's like to be a Jew.
Tue Feb 28, 2017, 11:50 AM
Feb 2017

I was married to my Jewish wife for nearly thirty years and it makes me sad that all those many years, I never really understood the fear of all Jews that your country, no how much you loved it, could turn on you in a second.

Now, I do. I'm glad she didn't live to see this.

karynnj

(59,504 posts)
7. I would consider that that hatred is not limited to Jews -- it is the nativist, white nationalist
Tue Feb 28, 2017, 12:36 PM
Feb 2017

population that has long been an ugly underbelly. Trump actively encouraged these people - who are rw terrorsits in some cases because they were a part of the energy of his campaign. They likely hate everyone who they see as not "them". Liberals, proffessors, intellectuals, journalists, scientists etc Not to mention, Mexicans, blacks, Asians, Moslems, and even Catholics and most mainstream Protestant denominations.

We have seen them before - in the KKK, the Know Nothing party or the John Birch Society, but like many, I thought they were a thoroughly disgraced part of the past.

Behind the Aegis

(53,973 posts)
21. Thank you.
Tue Feb 28, 2017, 05:07 PM
Feb 2017

So many like to take the opportunity to change the subject and talk about everyone else. Anti-Semitism is a real problem and has been since the birth of this country. But, for the most part, it is nothing more than a footnote in the history books and in the minds of many. It isn't always "in your face" as the past year, but it is always there, bubbling under the surface. This election simply allowed it to vent.

n2doc

(47,953 posts)
3. All those Jewish Trumpers
Tue Feb 28, 2017, 11:55 AM
Feb 2017

who voted for him because he was 'such a friend of Israel'. Well, as the saying goes, you lie down with dogs, you get up with fleas. Nazi fleas.

DavidDvorkin

(19,481 posts)
16. Note how little the number has changed since the last few elections
Tue Feb 28, 2017, 04:06 PM
Feb 2017

The underlying problem is the growth in the Haredi population, which is politically very similar to Christian fundamentalists.

Behind the Aegis

(53,973 posts)
20. Of course, no one bothers to take in consideration the actual numbers.
Tue Feb 28, 2017, 05:04 PM
Feb 2017

Jews are about 2.2% of the US population...all Jews. And 23% of let's say 7 million (again, that's all Jews) is about 1.6 million Jews. Now, how many votes did the current disaster get? Oh yeah...65 million! Yet. somehow, people are convinced Jews who voted for the "president" are to blame for the current spate of anti-Semitism. It never fails when stories like this crop up, there are those drooling at the chance to take their own passive-aggressive swipe at Jews.

DetlefK

(16,423 posts)
4. But but but... Trump is a friend of the Jews because he moved the embassy to Jerusalem!
Tue Feb 28, 2017, 11:56 AM
Feb 2017

What more could Trump possibly do for the Jews in the US than supporting the state of Israel thousands of miles away?

karynnj

(59,504 posts)
5. Wow - This is evidence that Israel, for the most part, has no understanding of American Jews
Tue Feb 28, 2017, 12:27 PM
Feb 2017

These acts of anti-semitism are terrifying and has led at least some communities to rethink their own security systems. However, I seriously doubt that many see the answer for security as fleeing to Israel.

Many also blame the white nationalism/Breitbart/Bannon input in the election and to the administration. Never before has an administration been slower to condemn overt violent antisemetism -- and, as a Jew, I do not agree that "Ivanka and Jared" means they never have to speak out. Because those statements were routine in previous administrations in both parties, my horrifying conclusion is that they fear losing this pathetic - but loud - segment oftheir base. It doesn't help that Netanyahu STOOD silently and without any negative emotion when Trump blew off a question on it.

Contrast this with various RW Jewish leaders in Israel and here routinely calling Obama antisemetic and often pro-Moslem (which I often thought in some cases was a dog whistle to say he was Moslem). Secretary Kerry was attacked the same way. In reality, the US is the ONLY major country that nearly always stands alone with Israel - meaning that there is no way we tilt towards the Palestinians. At most it means that we worked to be closer to an honest broker.

Tom Friedman of the NYT has written of Israel since the 1980s - when he was bureau chief in first Beruit and then Jerusalem. At Davos, he did a far ranging interview (that in some ways was more like a chat) with Secretary Kerry. The most compeeling comment in that discussion was Freidman saying:

QUESTION: Just quickly on this, that if Trump actually appoints his bankruptcy lawyer as ambassador, for the first time Bibi will have an ambassador from America that’s to his political right. I mean, we’ve never had an American ambassador anywhere near there. And I dare say he will miss you a lot, because I suspect – (laughter) – he goes into many cabinet meetings saying to the far right there, “Look, I’d do this, but John Kerry, that – he and Obama – I mean, I would do this, of course.” But they’re not going to have you as an excuse anymore. And when the debate was around two states, the debate within the American Jewish community was right/left – you think the line should be here; I think it should be there. But when it moves to one state, the debate will be right/wrong. And when that happens, you will fracture every synagogue and every Jewish institution in America, and, I would suggest, all over the world. And I think we’re close to that. So thank you on behalf of this one person for drawing that redline.


I have been active in synagogues in both NJ and now VT -- and this is rings very true to me. In VT, it is also the elephant in the room as our synagogue and many churches and a local mosque greatly increase interfaith activities and political actions. It could be that, as some to the left of me have said, that the "two state solution" was always more a veil designed to hide the facts of a now 50 year occupation.

All I can say is that an Israel, moving to be overtly an appartheid state, is unlikely to be a place where Jews would consider fleeing to. I would prefer Canada - if it would take me. Less than two hours away, where the culture and language is closer and Montreal is beautiful. Even with waves of anti-semitism, the risk of being harmed is FAR higher in Israel than in the US. Not to mention, I disagree with almost everything Netanyahu's coalition is for. At this point, Israel is not even on the list of countries I will vacation in.

https://2009-2017.state.gov/secretary/remarks/2017/01/267073.htm


Response to karynnj (Reply #5)

karynnj

(59,504 posts)
8. Incoherence on my part.I started to type one word than changed midstream while talking to someone
Tue Feb 28, 2017, 12:38 PM
Feb 2017

longship

(40,416 posts)
9. I often edit my posts here multiple times.
Tue Feb 28, 2017, 12:42 PM
Feb 2017

I am also shocked by many of my typos and misspellings.

Editing is your friend. As am I.


Response to longship (Reply #9)

cstanleytech

(26,310 posts)
27. Usually happens to me when I am on my nexus 7 and googles "auto correct" decides it thinks it knows
Tue Feb 28, 2017, 10:07 PM
Feb 2017

what word I wanted *sigh*

lark

(23,138 posts)
15. Yeah, the opposition cares, but Bibi doesn't.
Tue Feb 28, 2017, 02:16 PM
Feb 2017

As long as his murdering and law breaking is tolerated, he doesn't care about anything else that Drumpf might do, even if it hurts Jews. As long as the billions of $$ continue to flow his way, he's totally OK with Drumpf.

Behind the Aegis

(53,973 posts)
17. This is nothing but a polite politcal jab.
Tue Feb 28, 2017, 04:12 PM
Feb 2017

He basically implied the new administration and acting "president" are impotent when it comes to anti-Semitism. This was also a shot across the bow of the right-wing parties in Israel for not saying much and twiddling their thumbs in regards to recent attacks in the US.

The recent uptick and highly publicized (which is new) acts of anti-Semitism are shining a harsh light on anti-Semites and their apologists and enablers. The "president" is both an apologist and enabler, but he is only part of the problem. It is the enablers and apologists who distract with rants about Israel, screeching about right-wing Jews and the 24% of Jewish dogs with fleas who are enablers (they are, but often so are their accusers), and the "good" Jews who never miss an opportunity to tout their Jewishness, all the while ignoring the anti-Semitism and kvetching about the issues already mentioned.

Anti-Semitism should be rooted out wherever it sprouts its hatefulness.

Behind the Aegis

(53,973 posts)
19. Israel is as monolith as Jews or African-Americans.
Tue Feb 28, 2017, 04:57 PM
Feb 2017

That is to say, there does exist a variety of opinions and do not make the mistake of thinking all Israel is one way or the other, any more than America is all in for the "president"!

bora13

(860 posts)
24. they really want all to go
Tue Feb 28, 2017, 07:45 PM
Feb 2017

to Israel. They will continue to put the fear into the hearts of good people until
they get a close match to the revelations production.

Some friends of mine who were Jewish were prepared to move to Canada during the bush regime.
I can't imagine how bad they must feel now.

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