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jpak

(41,758 posts)
Sun Mar 5, 2017, 04:40 PM Mar 2017

ARMY VETERAN FACES POSSIBLE DEPORTATION TO MEXICO

Source: KTRK-TV

CHICAGO -- A deportation hearing was held Monday for an Army veteran who served two tours of duty in Afghanistan and may now be deported to Mexico.

Army Private 1st class Miguel Perez, Jr., who was born in Mexico and grew up in Chicago, told an immigration judge that loves the U.S. and gets chills when he hears the Star Spangled banner.

After the 2.5-hour hearing in Chicago, the judge said she would give a written decision in a few weeks.

Perez, 38, was a legal permanent resident when he joined the Army and said he thought he became a legal U.S. citizen when he enlisted. However, that was not the case.

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Read more: http://abc13.com/news/army-veteran-faces-possible-deportation-to-mexico/1785723/

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ARMY VETERAN FACES POSSIBLE DEPORTATION TO MEXICO (Original Post) jpak Mar 2017 OP
This has actually been the standard operating procedure for a few years now Tiggeroshii Mar 2017 #1
This message was self-deleted by its author marybourg Mar 2017 #2
he thought he became a legal U.S. citizen when he enlisted. However, that was not the case. MAYBE napi21 Mar 2017 #3
"MAYBE IT SHOULD BE THAT WAY!" Unfortunately currently its not, hopefully the government will cstanleytech Mar 2017 #4
All they see is a Mexican alfredo Mar 2017 #10
bascially... yuiyoshida Mar 2017 #24
What a difference an election makes. alfredo Mar 2017 #25
The problem is two fold... Baconator Mar 2017 #36
Veterans used to be able to get marybourg Mar 2017 #5
You would be surprised how vets get screwed when they get out cpamomfromtexas Mar 2017 #30
and add to that, not having been born here marybourg Mar 2017 #32
They still do- James48 Mar 2017 #38
You would think that some organization would counsel marybourg Mar 2017 #40
oh dear god UpInArms Mar 2017 #6
Agree + 10000 % iluvtennis Mar 2017 #23
There are Thousands of Wellstone ruled Mar 2017 #7
Thanks for mentioning it. I was sure I'd heard it was offered during George W.'s occupation. Judi Lynn Mar 2017 #17
Yes metalbot Mar 2017 #31
hunter bora13 Mar 2017 #8
This is so messed up. McCamy Taylor Mar 2017 #9
Maybe Putin can get him a job with the Russian mob so Trump will let him stay in the US. McCamy Taylor Mar 2017 #11
Just another "bad hombre" according to Trump TeamPooka Mar 2017 #12
Unfuckingbelievable! red dog 1 Mar 2017 #13
A Mexican with a gun?!!! ProudLib72 Mar 2017 #14
What bothers me about this entire story... Archae Mar 2017 #15
That makes a big difference. Without the conviction, a congressman could get his citizenship. Hangingon Mar 2017 #39
Ouch. The comments are nasty yeoman6987 Mar 2017 #16
He did 2 tours in Afghanistan DK504 Mar 2017 #18
His legal status probably went away when fucknuts was "elected" on November 8. George II Mar 2017 #22
Interesting Lithos Mar 2017 #19
"thanks for your service.... dhill926 Mar 2017 #20
This guy does two tours of duty in Afghanistan, has one felony drug arrest, and gets deported? George II Mar 2017 #21
And possibly committed treason. alfredo Mar 2017 #26
To me, the gentleman stays in country leanforward Mar 2017 #27
Certainly not me. Scruffy1 Mar 2017 #28
He can apply. Igel Mar 2017 #29
K&R Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Mar 2017 #33
They can't deport someone who is a Permanent Resident Bayard Mar 2017 #34
Permanent residents can lose their status if they commit certain crimes considered aggravated. Baconator Mar 2017 #35
Check this out Quackers Mar 2017 #37
this is shameful. Kimchijeon Mar 2017 #41
 

Tiggeroshii

(11,088 posts)
1. This has actually been the standard operating procedure for a few years now
Sun Mar 5, 2017, 04:43 PM
Mar 2017

Many legal immigrants -also veterans, have lost their resident status and been deported due to their criminal record.

Response to Tiggeroshii (Reply #1)

napi21

(45,806 posts)
3. he thought he became a legal U.S. citizen when he enlisted. However, that was not the case. MAYBE
Sun Mar 5, 2017, 04:49 PM
Mar 2017

IT SHOULD BE THAT WAY! IMO, anyone who sacrifices so much to serve in Afghanistan has earned citizenship!

That Judge doesn't have the authority to do that, but our Congress does.

If the US is going to take advantage of someone to fight a war (and possibly die!) then they should be willing to offer thst person at minimum, citizenship for their risks & efforts.

cstanleytech

(26,319 posts)
4. "MAYBE IT SHOULD BE THAT WAY!" Unfortunately currently its not, hopefully the government will
Sun Mar 5, 2017, 04:54 PM
Mar 2017

permit him to remain though while he applies for citizenship.

yuiyoshida

(41,858 posts)
24. bascially...
Sun Mar 5, 2017, 08:54 PM
Mar 2017

he's not white, he's different, kick him out!

That's some Fucking Racist bullshit right there!

Baconator

(1,459 posts)
36. The problem is two fold...
Mon Mar 6, 2017, 01:22 PM
Mar 2017

1) Whatever thought process led him to think he was already a citizen. I don't know if I buy that but we'll take him at his word. Either way, that ship has sailed.

2) Not much chance for someone convicted of a drug felony to gain citizenship.

marybourg

(12,634 posts)
5. Veterans used to be able to get
Sun Mar 5, 2017, 04:55 PM
Mar 2017

citizenship on a priority basis after serving. At the very least, non-citizens should be advised when enlisting that this is no longer the case. It seems shameful to me that we would accept his service and then deport him, drug offense notwithstanding.

cpamomfromtexas

(1,247 posts)
30. You would be surprised how vets get screwed when they get out
Mon Mar 6, 2017, 03:21 AM
Mar 2017

Took my colonel husband three months of double checking everything to make sure he got all his paperwork done so he wouldn't get screwed out of the gi bill

I can't imagine how difficult it must be for the enlisted folks

marybourg

(12,634 posts)
32. and add to that, not having been born here
Mon Mar 6, 2017, 10:57 AM
Mar 2017

and not having documents. But no, I wouldn't be surprised; I listen to NPR and I have a WWII veteran husband.

James48

(4,440 posts)
38. They still do-
Mon Mar 6, 2017, 03:49 PM
Mar 2017

BUT they have to apply for citizenship either WHILE SERVING- or within 6 months of discharge, in order to get expedited processing for citizenship.

It's not automatic- you have to apply to become a U.S. Citizen.

Military service allows you to waive many of the other requirements on waiting, in peacetime you only have to have a YEAR in uniform to apply, and during war time (and current operations) they are allowing people to become naturalized while in Basic Training.

BUT- they have to apply.

https://www.uscis.gov/news/fact-sheets/naturalization-through-military-service-fact-sheet

marybourg

(12,634 posts)
40. You would think that some organization would counsel
Mon Mar 6, 2017, 03:59 PM
Mar 2017

them on those requirements. But it looks like the person has to be savvy enough to initiate contact her/himself with the person who can help:

Every military installation has a designated point-of-contact, generally in the personnel division or the Judge Advocate General’s Office, to assist members of the military prepare and file their naturalization application packet.

Some immigrant or veteran's group(s) should make pre-counseling part of their mission.. Maybe this news article will spur that.

 

Wellstone ruled

(34,661 posts)
7. There are Thousands of
Sun Mar 5, 2017, 04:58 PM
Mar 2017

Hispanic and other Immigrants that enlisted in the Military with the promise of full Citizenship at the end of their enlistment. Another can of worms opened,watch for major exploitation by the Rethugs.

Judi Lynn

(160,609 posts)
17. Thanks for mentioning it. I was sure I'd heard it was offered during George W.'s occupation.
Sun Mar 5, 2017, 06:38 PM
Mar 2017

It seemed the least they could do if they hoped to use immigrant young men to fight their bloody wars and very easily not make it home at all.

metalbot

(1,058 posts)
31. Yes
Mon Mar 6, 2017, 10:30 AM
Mar 2017

But I'm pretty sure that one of the conditions for citizenship is "don't get kicked out of the Army early for failing a drug test", and "don't go to prison for selling a large quantity of cocaine to an undercover officer".

bora13

(860 posts)
8. hunter
Sun Mar 5, 2017, 04:58 PM
Mar 2017

I think we should all be prepared for more judges to throw the book at
anyone who ends up before them in a court of law.

Not unlike the following quote from "Where the Buffalo Roam":

"Will the defendant please rise?
Any person who transports into this state,
sells, furnishes or gives away any marijuana
- shall be punished...
- What's he doing?
- He's reading the fucking law.
- ... five years to life...
I think you guys should listen.
His honour is reading the sentence."

McCamy Taylor

(19,240 posts)
11. Maybe Putin can get him a job with the Russian mob so Trump will let him stay in the US.
Sun Mar 5, 2017, 05:25 PM
Mar 2017

I think someone should start a petition and send it to Moscow.

Archae

(46,344 posts)
15. What bothers me about this entire story...
Sun Mar 5, 2017, 06:28 PM
Mar 2017

It is only barely mentioned, the guy has a conviction for felony drugs.

No details, like what exactly he was convicted of.

 

yeoman6987

(14,449 posts)
16. Ouch. The comments are nasty
Sun Mar 5, 2017, 06:30 PM
Mar 2017

These folks act like citizens never committed a felony before. So what that he did. He served the prison sentence.

DK504

(3,847 posts)
18. He did 2 tours in Afghanistan
Sun Mar 5, 2017, 07:24 PM
Mar 2017

he came back and probably got zero help from the VA since they have a 2 year waiting for our guys to get an appointment. And he turned to drugs, paid his debt, but still had legal status, so why is he suddenly getting kicked out?

Did his legal status go away because of his conviction?

Lithos

(26,404 posts)
19. Interesting
Sun Mar 5, 2017, 07:39 PM
Mar 2017

I too thought you could expedite citizenship by serving in the Military... And I know I've heard this had been the case not too long ago, wonder if it is changed, or had to be specified in a way which is not easily understood.

L-

George II

(67,782 posts)
21. This guy does two tours of duty in Afghanistan, has one felony drug arrest, and gets deported?
Sun Mar 5, 2017, 08:07 PM
Mar 2017

On the other hand the guy that established that policy dodged the draft (four or five deferments), has admitted to sexual crimes, had several bankruptcies, and he gets to stay?

leanforward

(1,077 posts)
27. To me, the gentleman stays in country
Sun Mar 5, 2017, 10:38 PM
Mar 2017

The Vet has seen some crap. To me, it does not matter what he has done after his time in service. He STAYs.

I read the explanation. Who gives a s . . . Now, Mr Perez stays.

I am a loyal citizen, in opposition to pRezident dRumpf and any GOP lemming.

He served, he stays. dRumpf leaves me speechless or wordless after some of the stuff he has instigated. Instigated at the behest of bannon, a former navy ossifer. One guy a draft dodger, the other a bastard, self made.

I hope I have not offended anyone.

Scruffy1

(3,256 posts)
28. Certainly not me.
Sun Mar 5, 2017, 11:48 PM
Mar 2017

This is the rankest BS. Drug charges are all BS in my opinion. They hardly ever apply to the wealthy. Besides which substance abuse is a public health problem, not a criminal one. When I see 45 hiding behind the flag I want to puke.

Igel

(35,350 posts)
29. He can apply.
Mon Mar 6, 2017, 03:10 AM
Mar 2017

But it's not guaranteed. There are still requirements he'd have to meet.

Bush II made service members subject to expedited citizenship. No word on whether it's been revoked since Trump took office.

Too much fake information "out there" to keep track of it all. But he fell for some fake info.

Bayard

(22,139 posts)
34. They can't deport someone who is a Permanent Resident
Mon Mar 6, 2017, 12:49 PM
Mar 2017

At least not legally. Its pretty much the same as being a citizen. What say you lawyers?

Baconator

(1,459 posts)
35. Permanent residents can lose their status if they commit certain crimes considered aggravated.
Mon Mar 6, 2017, 01:17 PM
Mar 2017

Rape, murder and some others.

Was just listening to a podcast about another case. 20 year old guy who was born in Mexico received a felony abuse of a minor conviction from California for having consensual sex with a 16 year old. Minimum age in CA is 18.

That's technically one of the crimes listed that can lead to deportation. Court just heard the case that since California is an outlier that it doesn't meet the intent of the law.

Amicus podcast. Good stuff...

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