DHS head: Trump has convincing wiretap proof

[TomCADem]

Source: The Hill

Homeland Security Secretary John Kelly says President Trump possesses credible evidence that former President Barack Obama ordered the wiretapping of Trump Tower in New York City last year.

Trump claimed on Twitter last Saturday that Obama had his “wires tapped” in Trump Tower before Election Day last year, making the accusation without offering any evidence.

“If the president of the United States said that, he’s got his reasons to say it,” Kelly said Monday on CNN’s “The Situation Room." "[Trump’s] got some convincing evidence that that took place.”

Kelly admitted he had learned about Trump’s claims from watching CNN, adding he would not guess why the Obama administration might have wiretapped a 2016 presidential candidate.

Read more: http://www.thehill.com/homenews/administration/322615-dhs-head-trump-has-convincing-wiretap-proof

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Of course, Kelly admits that he has not seen it, but if Trump says it, then Kelly has faith that there must be some convincing evidence that it took place. Otherwise, Trump must be mad, right?

Oh well, for a large segment of America, so long as Trump continues to persecute minorities and non-Christians, it is all good.

[TeamPooka]

1. Kelly is the one everyone calls "rational"

[exboyfil]

2. He is an embarrassment to the Corps

I am sorry. There are a lot of ways to answer the question, but to say Trump has got some convincing evidence without actually seeing it? When asked he did not answer Blitzer's question, but went on to answer regarding motivation without establishing any evidence that it actually did happen.

God he must want that paycheck.

[KingCharlemagne]

31. Kelly is an embarassment and a disgrace to the species. - nt

[bravenak]

3. Kelly is a fucking liar

[Stonepounder]

4. Trump said it. I believe it. That settles it.

Hmmmm.....used to hear so-called Christians use the same line.

Anyone who says 'A politician said it, so I believe it unreservedly' has absolutely no business being anywhere close to a government position and is probably either an idiot who has destroyed his brain listening to FOX and Limpbaugh, or someone who is just to naive to be taken seriously.

[JawJaw]

15. Gotta Have Faith!!

If Donny had a reputation for integrity and honesty then there might be something to agree with Kelly on.

But, given that Donny's been a crooked bastard from day one and stiffed almost everyone he's 'done business' with, only an insane person would give him the benefit of the doubt.

Where's the wiretap BEEF, SCROTUS?

[cstanleytech]

5. Wait, the president has the ability to declassify intelligence right? Well then why hasnt he

declassified the intelligence on this wiretapping? Could it be because he is pulling it out of his ass?

[Ccarmona]

6. First of All

Put up or shut up.
Secondly, this is a total distraction
His financial entanglements with Russians and other criminals are the real story.

[MedusaX]

7. Kelly is ....

Well let's just say that he does not appear to be a leader....
not sure if it is a lack of intestinal fortitude....

Or too many years of the "chain of command" DoD
Kool- aid...

Or if Bannon has some good old
'Mericun Kompromat on him

Regardless.....
he is aiding & abetting the insurgents who have commandeered the WH & all of the power of the Executive, Legislative & judicial Branches......

[still_one]

8. Either put up this supposed evidence, or impeach the POS for the lying asshole he is. What a f**ked

up country under the republicans

[MFM008]

9. We should have seen it

Coming before the Frisby hit us in the face.
They are all insane.

[joet67]

10. Trump has nothing. Kelly offered nothing but his opinion. The whole thing is based

on Trump's paranoia, which might actually be legitimate, if he's involved in even a fraction of what is suspected on numerous fronts. I still maintain (as many have suggested) that the actual targets of the investigation were Russian, and that FISA warrant(s) were issued in connection with that. Trump most likely was easily caught up in that.

Some questions I have is: Suppose this hypothesis is true. Would Obama have known? Is that why he squirreled this info away into various compartments within the agencies? And most importantly, is it possible the agencies themselves would consider this a "national emergency" of sorts and take steps to withhold the info from a potentially illegitimate or compromised POTUS?

I'm thinking they might be operating on some kind of emergency status, just not sure what all steps they might be taking. I'm pretty sure they've never confronted *this particular situation before.

[xor]

11. So all these people are saying it's true just because Trump says so

I'm not so sure I would jump on board with that if I were any of these people. I wonder if at some point in the future a memo or emails or something similar will be leaked with instructions for certain people to come forward to blindly back Trump on this.

[aggiesal]

12. Trump is running scared ...

The only reason that Obama wiretapped Cheetolini's tower,
is by going through the FISA Court system. And the only
reason the FISA Court would issue a wiretap is that there
was enough evidence of criminal activity.

Cheetolini is in big trouble.

[leftynyc]

18. This is the wording

that concerns me. Donnie intimated that Pres Obama had Donnie himself tapped. Then others mention Trump Tower. Of course SOME phones in that building were tapped. Paul Manafort lives there.

[DeminPennswoods]

20. Manaforts calls to Russians

Manafort's phone wasn't necessarily tapped itself, but his call to those Russians who were being monitored, like Kislyak, were intercepted and transcribed.

[leftynyc]

27. But that's my point

While donnie can technically say that trump tower was wiretapped (and Manafort SHOULD have been), that's not what donnie charged Pres Obama with. WE can't let them muddy the waters that way. Donnie made a specific charge.

[JI7]

13. Kelly is afraid to call out Trump's bs. even Comey didn't go along with this shit

[jmowreader]

14. He can't say he thinks his boss is full of shit, even if he really thinks that

Here's reality: Until James Comey threw the election, Trump was losing - and losing badly. There wouldn't have been any reason for Obama (who wasn't running for president in 2016, last I checked) to wiretap Trump because Trump was self-immolating.

It's more likely that Comey had his people wiretap the Hillary campaign and feed the take to the Trump campaign. I don't think he actually did, but if there were any taps placed on a candidate, it wasn't Trump.

However, we do know Trump Tower at one time contained a Russian email server, and a FISA warrant was issued on it. Please tell me this isn't the wiretap Trump is talking about.

[NamesDave]

16. Kelly is a blonde, So?

[Bernardo de La Paz]

17. Mr. Minority President tRump: Put up or shut up. . . . nt

[mdbl]

19. Kelly needs to resign

after everything else twump has said in the last 60 days that ALSO weren't true, Kelly would have to be pretty gullible and stupid to make a statement like that without offering proof.

[C_U_L8R]

21. Same talking point as the rest

President Dumbass knows nothing.
Evidence or it didn't happen.
Delete your Presidency.

[bucolic_frolic]

22. Truthiness undermines Homeland Security, get it?

It's just like the other cabinet secretaries who work to destroy the agencies they head.

Deconstruction and privatization for Trump and his cronies

[Vinca]

23. Well, if there's "evidence," it means a judge found probable cause of criminal activity.

We know the Trumps are a crime family, but I never expected the top criminal to promote that fact.

[GliderGuider]

24. Kelly said "must have", not "does have"

It's a very careful choice of words. He's not supporting his boss, he's simply not contradicting him. I don't think for a second that Kelly believes Trump has any such proof, because there is none.

This whole fiasco is the result of Trump conflating the FISA warrant with his own personal history of listening in on his employees' phone calls. He's projecting because of his guilty conscience.

[JI7]

30. but he is going out of his way to avoid saying what is true

[GliderGuider]

34. Yep. Glomar.

Ongoing national security investigations cannot be discussed in public. This is also why Comey didn't mention it when he was forced to send the letter about Hillary to Congress. Trump and Co. have been caught up in a net spread over the Russians, so the entire matter is now impossible to comment on, officially.

My stance on this is based on the work of British journalist Louise Mensch:
https://patribotics.wordpress.com/2017/01/17/dear-mr-putin-lets-play-chess-louise-mensch-trump-russia/
That article lays out her assessment of why Comey did what he did.

Mensch is developing a lot of cred for her reporting on this issue:
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/feb/17/louise-mensch-trump-russia-ties-media-scoop

Don't let her conservatism or her connection with NewsCorp get in the way of reading her articles on Trump/Russia. She has been ahead of the MSM on this from day 1. She's the real deal.

[mnhtnbb]

25. "If the president of the United States said that, he's got his reasons to say it,"

yeah, his reasons are:

that he made it up; or
he read it on some alt-right BS media site; or
he heard it from someone.


This is the guy who pushed birther nonsense about Obama for YEARS. Why would anyone believe a fu*kin' word Trump would say about Obama?
On top of that, he's a pathological liar--he lies about EVERYTHING, not just Obama--and anyone who believes whatever Trump says without seeing
evidence--must have his head up his a$$.

[Happyhippychick]

26. Didn't he say he had credible proof that Obama was born in Kenya?

He LIES.

[WePurrsevere]

28. When a chronic liar lies, only idiots continue to believe him. nt

[atreides1]

29. Kelly is a lick spittle

And a major embarrassment to the US Marine Corps!

[KingCharlemagne]

33. My Dad, Jarhed lance corporal to the corps, tells me

that every USMC officer above the rank of Captain is a capitol ass kiss. So Kelly is no different from the rest of the USMC officer corps above captain.

[dalton99a]

37. Once a bootlicker, always a bootlicker

[Tommy_Carcetti]

32. "If Donald Trump says it, it must be true!"

Said no one other than John Kelly, ever.

[Bengus81]

35. Trump also said 100 times that Mexico would pay for a wall....nt

[Nitram]

36. The president doesn't have the power to order wiretapping on anybody without a FISA court's approval

and you can't get that without very credible evidence that a crime is being or has been committed. If so Don is toast.

[George II]

38. "If the president of the United States said that, hes got his reasons to say it"

Sure, but none of them have anything to do with facts or reality.

[dlk]

39. Talk is Cheap - Especially From the Trump Administration

Talk is cheap. Let's see the facts and actual proof, not spin. Trump remains apoplectic down to the core of his bigoted little soul about the fact that Obama was more popular and respected than he will ever be.

[riversedge]

40. Seems this Kelly is as bad as Trump. JeeeeeeeZZ!!

[Denzil_DC]

41. "By "convincing evidence," he means it convinced Trump!

If Kelly really does buy this, he's a bigger loon and incompetent than Trump is, and deserves some sort of award.

[Blue_Tires]

42. We know the game by now...

Trump will keep on teasing and hinting and stretching this out, and on Monday he'll go in a completely different direction and this "wiretapping" will be forgotten (and nobody in the media will revisit it)...

SEE: The "Millions of illegal immigrants who voted for Hillary"