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DonViejo

(60,536 posts)
Thu Mar 23, 2017, 10:39 AM Mar 2017

Schumer: Democrats will filibuster Gorsuch nomination

Source: The Washington Post




By Ed O'Keefe, Robert Barnes and Ann E. Marimow March 23 at 10:28 AM

As the Senate Judiciary Committee was hearing from witnesses for and against Judge Neil Gorsuch, his Supreme Court nomination was delivered a critical blow: Senate Minority Leader Charles E. Schumer (D-N.Y.) announced he would oppose Gorsuch and join other Democrats in filibustering the nomination, making it likely that the judge will struggle to find the support needed to clear a 60-vote procedural hurdle.

Gorsuch “was unable to sufficiently convince me that he’d be an independent check” on Trump, Schumer said in a Senate floor speech.

Gorsuch is “not a neutral legal mind but someone with a deep-seated conservative ideology,” Schumer added. “He was groomed by the Federalist Society and has shown not one inch of difference between his views and theirs.”

The Federalist Society, a conservative legal group, was one of two organizations that provided a list of names to Trump to consider for his Supreme Court nomination. One of the group’s top leaders, Leonard Leo, is on leave from the organization as he advises Trump on the Supreme Court confirmation process and other picks to fill vacancies on the federal appeals courts.

Read more: https://www.washingtonpost.com/powerpost/gorsuch-confirmation-hearing-to-focus-today-on-testimony-from-friends-foes/2017/03/23/14d21116-0fc7-11e7-9d5a-a83e627dc120_story.html?pushid=58d3dd383a93043c00000023&tid=notifi_push_breaking-news&utm_term=.489c28f50454

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Schumer: Democrats will filibuster Gorsuch nomination (Original Post) DonViejo Mar 2017 OP
In 2004 he worked with the bushcheney campaign. Today he refused to say who his backers are and Sunlei Mar 2017 #1
He was working in the OHIO campaign! L. Coyote Mar 2017 #17
The only caselaw he wrote recently, our own SC just reported 2 days ago was done incorrectly. Sunlei Mar 2017 #26
plus he was nominated by a republican traitor to America Achilleaze Mar 2017 #2
yup and besides President Obama's nominee M. Garland is FIRST IN LINE. Sunlei Mar 2017 #4
Two days ago the SC stated a ruling he made couple years ago was incorrect, want Ds to check that. Sunlei Mar 2017 #3
Al Franken brought that issue up in his questioning INdemo Mar 2017 #13
I wish they'd just refuse to vote, period, invoking babylonsister Mar 2017 #5
I admire the chutzpah MosheFeingold Mar 2017 #6
And then the Dems would take the House in 2018 padfun Mar 2017 #12
We need to stop being afraid of what Rs will do and just assume it's every awful thing Maven Mar 2017 #15
Amen brother! Moostache Mar 2017 #16
👆this👆 UpInArms Mar 2017 #20
That's how I feel about it. defacto7 Mar 2017 #30
A thousand times yes!!! bekkilyn Mar 2017 #19
Manchin is a DINO. Moostache Mar 2017 #31
They can't change the filibuster rule until next year. PSPS Mar 2017 #18
They can do whatever they want, really. MosheFeingold Mar 2017 #29
The fillibuster rule can be changed at any time by a simple majority using... PoliticAverse Mar 2017 #42
Doesn't matter. They'll do it no matter what. NYC Liberal Mar 2017 #28
I agree with you, but... wryter2000 Mar 2017 #35
I think you are misunderstanding some things about the filibuster. StevieM Mar 2017 #43
Plus! It's Trump's last year as Prez. world wide wally Mar 2017 #7
Good Cirque du So-What Mar 2017 #8
We'll see if McConnell nukes the fillibuster DeminPennswoods Mar 2017 #9
A great litmus test... defacto7 Mar 2017 #27
They better... FarPoint Mar 2017 #10
Ding. Ding. Ding. Fight. Resist. ffr Mar 2017 #11
Excellent news! Hold steady, Dems. appal_jack Mar 2017 #14
Repugnant that Dems even have to filibuster Marthe48 Mar 2017 #21
Wow. Apparently there had been some spine implantations going on while I slept last night. 47of74 Mar 2017 #22
If there was real spine SHRED Mar 2017 #25
Plus, volstork Mar 2017 #23
Going to a vote will invoke the nuclear option SHRED Mar 2017 #24
IMO - this is the stand that they should be making Cosmocat Mar 2017 #32
I now realize it's going to a vote no matter what SHRED Mar 2017 #33
Now is the time to call your Dem Senator(s) wryter2000 Mar 2017 #34
You might want to call again and say... pat_k Mar 2017 #39
YES! mountain grammy Mar 2017 #36
This! BlueMTexpat Mar 2017 #37
Hallelujah! pat_k Mar 2017 #38
They damn well better! burrowowl Mar 2017 #40
Outstanding news. It's very necessary to filibuster this repug. Mc Mike Mar 2017 #41
He'll be confirmed regardless. The numbers are there like it or not. 7962 Mar 2017 #44

Sunlei

(22,651 posts)
1. In 2004 he worked with the bushcheney campaign. Today he refused to say who his backers are and
Thu Mar 23, 2017, 10:47 AM
Mar 2017

when he was asked to be a SC nominee.

L. Coyote

(51,129 posts)
17. He was working in the OHIO campaign!
Thu Mar 23, 2017, 11:41 AM
Mar 2017

That alone should keep him off the court. If ever a campaign epitomized election theft and placing political interests over democratic principles, that is the one.

Sunlei

(22,651 posts)
26. The only caselaw he wrote recently, our own SC just reported 2 days ago was done incorrectly.
Thu Mar 23, 2017, 12:17 PM
Mar 2017
I'm sick and tired of Republicans shadow secrets and Republicans political tax-free charities that do ALL the work for them. Their collusions with foreign governments. Their rape of Americas democracy.

Achilleaze

(15,543 posts)
2. plus he was nominated by a republican traitor to America
Thu Mar 23, 2017, 10:47 AM
Mar 2017

and republican traitors are illegitimate (and deplorable)

Sunlei

(22,651 posts)
3. Two days ago the SC stated a ruling he made couple years ago was incorrect, want Ds to check that.
Thu Mar 23, 2017, 10:49 AM
Mar 2017

Check all his cases and check what he was doing for the campaign in 2004.

MosheFeingold

(3,051 posts)
6. I admire the chutzpah
Thu Mar 23, 2017, 10:55 AM
Mar 2017

But I am more concerned with losing the filibuster. It is all that is standing behind a total repeal of the ACA.

If they filibuster, the Repugs will have the perfect reason to eliminate the filibuster, and then they will cause something even worst than RyanCare to go through the Senate.

Maven

(10,533 posts)
15. We need to stop being afraid of what Rs will do and just assume it's every awful thing
Thu Mar 23, 2017, 11:31 AM
Mar 2017

and then fight like hell every chance we get, with every tool we have at our disposal at the time. Otherwise, what is the point? We might as well just lay down and "keep our powder dry" forever.

Filibuster now.

Moostache

(9,897 posts)
16. Amen brother!
Thu Mar 23, 2017, 11:39 AM
Mar 2017

Fight, struggle, die (if necessary) ... but laying down and cowering in fear of what worse thing the GOP will do next is Vichy France level betrayal.

The GOP is evil to its core and has NO PROBLEM using any means necessary to achieve their aims. We cannot be the adults in the room any longer if we really want to captivate the American people.

Let me use an admittedly bad analogy....Rocky III.
The go-along / get-along / happy Rocky got rocked by Clubber Lang.
The ghetto-training / back-to-basics / street fighting Rocky came back and beat the shit out of Clubber in the rematch.

It's time to bring the thunder and damn the torpedos...FIGHT NOW.

No votes on justices.
No policies for consideration or debate.
No government business of ANY kind until the FULL, FAIR and COMPLETE DISCLOSURE OF ALL TRUMP-RUSSIAN CONNECTIONS ARE KNOWN.

Shut this motherfucker down and do nothing to help any Republican puke on anything until its done....and if that ultimately means burning the existing government to the ground and starting over from stratch, then so be it. This far and no farther, period.

defacto7

(13,485 posts)
30. That's how I feel about it.
Thu Mar 23, 2017, 12:24 PM
Mar 2017

Except that the de-publicans are already burning down the government and fashioning it in their own image. We need to break out the hoses and axes.
If McConnell allows the nuke option we are going to know exactly where our democracy stands.

bekkilyn

(454 posts)
19. A thousand times yes!!!
Thu Mar 23, 2017, 11:43 AM
Mar 2017

What's the point of spinelessly agreeing to lose this seat without a fight, and then still losing any that go vacant later? This constant fear of, "OMG what if the Republicans _______________?????!!!!?????" is a big part of what drives people mad about this party. The Republicans don't bend over backwards every chance they get and look where they are...in possession of the entire country.

We should all be CHEERING if there is a filibuster regardless of what the Republicans do! First, they STOLE the seat in the first place, and second, if they are bound and determined to destroy this country, make them OWN it rather than being complicit with their plans out of fear of retaliation. They are going to retaliate *no matter what*. That's what sociopathic abusers do.

(Though if you read this article carefully, it really only says that Schumer has decided to join other Dems who have decided to filibuster and not that *all* Dems have agreed to filibuster. Check out the comments from our favorite senator, Joe Manchin, at the end of the article as an example that they haven't all decided what to do yet.)

Moostache

(9,897 posts)
31. Manchin is a DINO.
Thu Mar 23, 2017, 12:40 PM
Mar 2017

He is dead to me and if being a "Democrat" has any meaning left, Schumer and Pelosi and the rest of the leadership need to get him in line or toss him over board. A ship in trouble or peril does not need to save the rats, it needs to save the ship.

MosheFeingold

(3,051 posts)
29. They can do whatever they want, really.
Thu Mar 23, 2017, 12:22 PM
Mar 2017

The "rules" are just a gentleman's agreement, albeit a 200 year old agreement. There is no law or force of even regulation.

They can do away with them, whenever.

NYC Liberal

(20,138 posts)
28. Doesn't matter. They'll do it no matter what.
Thu Mar 23, 2017, 12:21 PM
Mar 2017

If the AHCA were filibustered, they'd use that as their excuse.

wryter2000

(46,104 posts)
35. I agree with you, but...
Thu Mar 23, 2017, 01:34 PM
Mar 2017

If we can never use it because they'll invoke the nuclear option, we don't have a filibuster to begin with.

It's not worth the risk for a cabinet post, but this is a lifetime appointment to the Supreme Court. Betsy DeVos will be gone as soon as a Dem President is elected. Gorsuch would remain for 30 years or more.

StevieM

(10,500 posts)
43. I think you are misunderstanding some things about the filibuster.
Fri Mar 24, 2017, 05:26 PM
Mar 2017

First, if they eliminate the filibuster for the courts, or other presidential nominations, that does not automatically eliminate the filibuster for legislation. The two rules are not linked to one another, strange as that sounds. So going nuclear on Supreme Court nominations would leave the filibuster in tact for legislative business.

Second, the Republicans can get around the filibuster just by using budget reconciliation. That was how they were going to pass this bill. Obama used the threat of passing the bill through reconciliation to get Joe Lieberman to grudgingly vote for some version of the bill. He didn't really want to do that, especially with Robert Byrd still alive, but he held it out as a last resort, having seen what happened to the Clinton plan in the 1990s. Lieberman took advantage of the fact that he didn't want to do it by making the bill as conservative as he could.

Cirque du So-What

(26,004 posts)
8. Good
Thu Mar 23, 2017, 11:08 AM
Mar 2017

Tired of the talk about 'do Democrats really want to die on that hill?' This is a filibuster-worthy issue.

DeminPennswoods

(15,290 posts)
9. We'll see if McConnell nukes the fillibuster
Thu Mar 23, 2017, 11:10 AM
Mar 2017

It's very possible with Trump increasingly unpopular, the GOP could take a beating in 2018. Will McConnell trade today for tomorrow?

defacto7

(13,485 posts)
27. A great litmus test...
Thu Mar 23, 2017, 12:18 PM
Mar 2017

If they don't nuke the filibuster it means they're legitimately worried about '18 and they should be. If McConnell does allow the nuke option it means they are sure of their hold on the election process and their control of government.
This could tell us a lot about whether a democracy still exists.

FarPoint

(12,466 posts)
10. They better...
Thu Mar 23, 2017, 11:10 AM
Mar 2017

I believe for me... This is a deal breaker!!!! I will ultimately keep my wallet off limits to Democrat contribution plan if they don't filibuster.

 

appal_jack

(3,813 posts)
14. Excellent news! Hold steady, Dems.
Thu Mar 23, 2017, 11:25 AM
Mar 2017

This is a fight worth having.

Gorsuch is an awful corporatist in a smooth but ultimately unpersuasive costume.

Even if McTurtle threatens and then follows-through with a rule change, the filibuster is worth doing.

Don't let Gorsuch make frozen truckers of us all!

k&r,

-app

Marthe48

(17,053 posts)
21. Repugnant that Dems even have to filibuster
Thu Mar 23, 2017, 11:47 AM
Mar 2017

Wish the repugs had enough leadership ability to see the situation and put a hold on every nomination hearing. trump's team is UNDER INVESTIGATION for colluding with a foreign power to bring down the U.S. Everything is suspect until the investigation is over.

But no. They will continue jamming things through, trying to consolidate their power. America was never a country where the ends justify the means. But the repugs don't work that way. Are you American? Or Republican? You can't be both.

 

SHRED

(28,136 posts)
25. If there was real spine
Thu Mar 23, 2017, 12:16 PM
Mar 2017

He wouldn't make it to a vote.
Democrats would have walked out following Comey's revelations Monday.

 

SHRED

(28,136 posts)
24. Going to a vote will invoke the nuclear option
Thu Mar 23, 2017, 12:13 PM
Mar 2017

Why is this going to a vote with an FBI investigation going on?

Cosmocat

(14,576 posts)
32. IMO - this is the stand that they should be making
Thu Mar 23, 2017, 12:49 PM
Mar 2017

I think while republicans would lose their shit, our team and a good bit of the middle would get it.

IMO, they should say that the POTUS being under investigation for colluding with Russia rises to the level of stopping anything other than the most basic and necessary administrative functions. That with the very real possibility that this administration is corrupted and possibly coopted by Putin, we can not in good faith seat a SCJ that he has put forward.

We will guarentee an up or down vote for this candidate only after this POTUS, his administrations and associates are fully exonerated, and this means after BOTH the FBI and an independent prosecutor has cleared them.

Good chance Turtle goes Nuclear Option, but no other choice, really, and this would really put democrats on the right side, after having drawn a line in the sand.

 

SHRED

(28,136 posts)
33. I now realize it's going to a vote no matter what
Thu Mar 23, 2017, 12:51 PM
Mar 2017

Because Repubs are in the majority.

I appreciate Schumer calling for a Filibuster.

wryter2000

(46,104 posts)
34. Now is the time to call your Dem Senator(s)
Thu Mar 23, 2017, 01:30 PM
Mar 2017

If you can't get through in DC, call their local offices. I called mine the moment I heard this news.

pat_k

(9,313 posts)
38. Hallelujah!
Thu Mar 23, 2017, 08:46 PM
Mar 2017

It's being reported as a "strategic" move in the effort to make some sort of a deal. I hope that's wrong (but fear it is probably so). They need to just DO IT. Stop the floor vote. Force the Repubs to go "nuclear" (which they may have no more success pulling off then they have with their repeal of ACA).

 

7962

(11,841 posts)
44. He'll be confirmed regardless. The numbers are there like it or not.
Sat Mar 25, 2017, 09:17 AM
Mar 2017

Dont know how long it will take, but i say its gonna happen
'18 is just around the corner

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