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Lucky Luciano

(11,258 posts)
Wed Apr 5, 2017, 11:33 AM Apr 2017

Bannon Removed From National Security Council Role in Shakeup

Source: Bloomberg

President Donald Trump reorganized his National Security Council on Wednesday, removing his chief strategist, Stephen Bannon, and downgrading the role of his Homeland Security Adviser, Tom Bossert, according to a person familiar with the decision and a regulatory filing.

National Security Adviser H.R. McMaster was given responsibility for setting the agenda for meetings of the NSC or the Homeland Security Council, and was authorized to delegate that authority to Bossert, at his discretion, according to the filing.

Under the move, the national intelligence director, Dan Coats, and the chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, Marine Corps General Joseph Dunford, are again "regular attendees" of the NSCs principals committee.


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Bannon Removed From National Security Council Role in Shakeup (Original Post) Lucky Luciano Apr 2017 OP
Here's the link PatSeg Apr 2017 #1
Thx! Lucky Luciano Apr 2017 #5
You're welcome PatSeg Apr 2017 #18
OMG! Really? If it's true, GOD that's great!!!! calimary Apr 2017 #2
Rehab? Scarsdale Apr 2017 #88
Rougher than usual? Dave Starsky Apr 2017 #99
Score one for Jar-ud BeyondGeography Apr 2017 #3
Next headline Scarsdale Apr 2017 #12
Oh it's still a shit show of DeMillian proportions BeyondGeography Apr 2017 #15
Id rather Trump be president than Pence. nm mr_liberal Apr 2017 #33
Pence is stupid MFM008 Apr 2017 #38
Post removed Post removed Apr 2017 #46
He just fools people into thinking he's moderate. mvd Apr 2017 #51
He has always been a moderate and supported democrats mr_liberal Apr 2017 #54
No he has not mvd Apr 2017 #58
Id rather have that than know for a fact the person is hard right mr_liberal Apr 2017 #62
Not me. Trump's instability and other things bother me even more mvd Apr 2017 #69
That's what scares me most about him. He'll use that knowledge to push his conservative Xian agenda Crash2Parties Apr 2017 #86
I hate Pence, but he's less likely to go to war than Cheetolini Big_K Apr 2017 #101
Pence & the rest of the GOP are already at war with women & LGBT people. Crash2Parties Apr 2017 #110
It's scary, but I feel he won't get the momentum for it mvd Apr 2017 #112
Trump is the most right-wing president we've ever had Charles Bukowski Apr 2017 #85
I don't think he actually has positions. cab67 Apr 2017 #74
Are you effing kidding me? jrthin Apr 2017 #55
I dont care about that stuff, I care about his positions on the issues mr_liberal Apr 2017 #59
On heath care, he made concessions to the No Freedom Caucus mvd Apr 2017 #72
I hear what you are saying whopis01 Apr 2017 #73
I Don't Think RobinA Apr 2017 #98
I DO! Racism is okay jrthin Apr 2017 #82
OK you said it and posted it - "I dont care about that stuff," good to know ffr lunasun Apr 2017 #127
"Trump is not that bad." geek tragedy Apr 2017 #60
Those are typical Republican positions, any Republican president would do the same. nm mr_liberal Apr 2017 #63
George W. Bush didn't. Neither did his dad. nt geek tragedy Apr 2017 #67
His actions speak louder than your words SharonClark Apr 2017 #61
But Pence IS REALLY INSANE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! onecent Apr 2017 #75
Pence, who doesn't believe in evolution, has a neanderthal Alice11111 Apr 2017 #92
All good points, IMO! BlueMTexpat Apr 2017 #125
Well said, and I agree about we should have challenged it. Alice11111 Apr 2017 #128
Ah, the choices we have in the Land of the Free. Fantastic Anarchist Apr 2017 #129
Will Ivanka take his place? DK504 Apr 2017 #4
She would be a little more moderate. But.. mvd Apr 2017 #76
I'm starting to think she is a little nazi pretending to be a decent woman LiberalLovinLug Apr 2017 #102
I don't trust that cockroach until he's out of the picture completely. Tommy_Carcetti Apr 2017 #6
I wouldn't trust 2naSalit Apr 2017 #10
Vampires were killed with a stake through the heart DBoon Apr 2017 #21
Don't forget the blade around the throats and rock in their mouth. Quackers Apr 2017 #90
And even then I'd 2naSalit Apr 2017 #106
YUP i'm sure bannon be operating in the shadows onetexan Apr 2017 #50
So who or what threatened him enough defacto7 Apr 2017 #91
Just add the link provide in response 1 to your OP and you are all set still_one Apr 2017 #7
I wonder if McMaster gave Dolt45 an ultimatum after the Nunes fiasco. randome Apr 2017 #8
Interesting assumption. McMaster was publicly embarrassed by the whole Ezra Cohen-Watnick thing. calimary Apr 2017 #22
Yes, I agree with your scenario. Excellent synopsis. PearliePoo2 Apr 2017 #37
I thought that, too DeminPennswoods Apr 2017 #77
No mention of this on live news? Watchfoxheadexplodes Apr 2017 #9
Just Mentioned.... LovingA2andMI Apr 2017 #42
Gee, I wonder how our FRiends will react... brooklynite Apr 2017 #11
lets see what 'fox & f(R)iends' tells Mr. Trump to think about Mr. breibart newsmans demotion. Sunlei Apr 2017 #28
HUGE X 10 Me. Apr 2017 #13
Sure hope this is true! But I'm not convinced yet. n/m 3_Limes Apr 2017 #14
NBC, AP, BBC, CNN all reporting. TDale313 Apr 2017 #48
When the lights turn on, cockroaches always disappear. old guy Apr 2017 #16
I wonder if word has come down that the investigation has found a direct link to Bannon and still_one Apr 2017 #17
Probably leaked by Susan Rice FakeNoose Apr 2017 #24
That would be even better still_one Apr 2017 #26
on MSNBC banner just now. sheshe2 Apr 2017 #64
I cannot tell you how much I detest that POS sheshe. Grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr still_one Apr 2017 #71
Me too still_one. sheshe2 Apr 2017 #78
That GIF is great. Thanks for the laugh. irisblue Apr 2017 #130
That would be my guess turbo_satan Apr 2017 #56
I'm just guessing here... lapfog_1 Apr 2017 #19
knew he'd start to get tired of 'best friend' Bannon, surprised he lasted as long as he did. Sunlei Apr 2017 #20
Apparently during the campaign Jared was the Trump-whisperer tblue37 Apr 2017 #96
Good heavens. janx Apr 2017 #23
The day before Xi gets here? 3_Limes Apr 2017 #25
And that's another good point. calimary Apr 2017 #27
Wasn't Bannon linked to the company Cambridge Analytica, that put the computer linked ... Botany Apr 2017 #29
Yep.... LovingA2andMI Apr 2017 #43
Yep. One of the recent Keith Olbermann videos connected those dots. Miles Archer Apr 2017 #44
Exactly. It can't be just a coincidence. OnDoutside Apr 2017 #45
No doubt the FBI and the NSA picked up the Russian "chatter" on that computer. Botany Apr 2017 #47
Walks like a duck and quacks like a duck. No doubt. OnDoutside Apr 2017 #49
Yep. DeminPennswoods Apr 2017 #79
Yes, and this could also be seen Blue_Roses Apr 2017 #117
good to hear...... chillfactor Apr 2017 #30
Perhaps that is why Jared was invited to go out of town... MedusaX Apr 2017 #31
Apparently, Jared was out of town hiring a PR person from Hollywood. Lucky Luciano Apr 2017 #36
Yeah Gothmog Apr 2017 #32
Did Kushner replace him? Dopers_Greed Apr 2017 #34
Good start!! Let the Cretin cannabalism begin! Guilded Lilly Apr 2017 #35
Whoa Ho! Bayard Apr 2017 #39
McMaster probably. Duppers Apr 2017 #97
Yes, I agree. Blue_Roses Apr 2017 #118
Putin isn't happy with things. C Moon Apr 2017 #40
+1 dalton99a Apr 2017 #70
Good. Blue_Roses Apr 2017 #119
By saying, "Putin's not happy," I meant he was demanding a changing of the guard. C Moon Apr 2017 #120
Ahhhh... Blue_Roses Apr 2017 #122
:) C Moon Apr 2017 #124
The "why" behind this orangecrush Apr 2017 #41
Good. Now let things go higher up! mvd Apr 2017 #52
They are trying to cauterize the wound, but gangrene has already set in. RelativelyJones Apr 2017 #53
Gangrene set in when Russia hacked Blue_Roses Apr 2017 #123
Wonder if something is... zentrum Apr 2017 #57
Good... sheshe2 Apr 2017 #65
Very good news Peachhead22 Apr 2017 #66
What a mess. Klowns Abound. Voltaire2 Apr 2017 #68
45 is not an ideologue... zentrum Apr 2017 #80
NBC: Steve Bannon Removed From National Security Council mahatmakanejeeves Apr 2017 #81
Lots more time for drinking Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Apr 2017 #83
Thank you Gen McMaster for putting your foot down vlyons Apr 2017 #84
WH is spinning it as a "natural progression" diva77 Apr 2017 #87
Hahaha... Blue_Roses Apr 2017 #121
Deconstruction of the Deconstructive State B Stieg Apr 2017 #89
Derrida lives in the lacunae! - nt KingCharlemagne Apr 2017 #126
About frigging time laserhaas Apr 2017 #93
Just another distraction. ananda Apr 2017 #94
Jared is pushing him out. LiberalBrooke Apr 2017 #95
Oh, let's hope so. Last week's report of Kushner's Hortensis Apr 2017 #100
Iago Hath Been Demoted Frequent Ranter Apr 2017 #103
Am I allowed to giggle............ raven mad Apr 2017 #104
The right-wingnuts are spinning this hard Tarc Apr 2017 #105
I wonder what idiots are going to believe THAT? Oh, yeah...right. THEM. nt Honeycombe8 Apr 2017 #107
My gut reaction is that he was told.... Honeycombe8 Apr 2017 #108
Trump is loyal? Where do you get that? ColemanMaskell Apr 2017 #111
Yeah, I've read that he's very loyal to his real friends. Honeycombe8 Apr 2017 #114
Re-arranging seats in the clown car? ThoughtCriminal Apr 2017 #109
Bannon appointed himself to the NSC... Rollo Apr 2017 #113
It will never stop being moonscape Apr 2017 #115
Eventually, Trump will be blaming the American people for the disaster(s) he causes... Rollo Apr 2017 #116

BeyondGeography

(39,377 posts)
15. Oh it's still a shit show of DeMillian proportions
Wed Apr 5, 2017, 11:42 AM
Apr 2017

Seeing them devour each other along the way is probably the only consolation.

Response to MFM008 (Reply #38)

mvd

(65,178 posts)
51. He just fools people into thinking he's moderate.
Wed Apr 5, 2017, 12:23 PM
Apr 2017

If he really had a moderate streak, he would have tried to deal with Dems after his health plan collapsed. His cabinet is the worst ever. He has governed from the hard right, and I see no reason to think it's just who advises him. He can pick different advisers. Plus, we all know he loves to be the one deciding.

 

mr_liberal

(1,017 posts)
54. He has always been a moderate and supported democrats
Wed Apr 5, 2017, 12:35 PM
Apr 2017

There's videos of him stating his positions on issues, and for the most part there pretty liberal and thats not a very long time ago.

He ran as a conservative to pander to conservatives to win the primaries and then the election. He is already starting to try to compromise with democrats but he has to be careful not to turn off his voter base. He hates the freedom caucus, that is not an act.

I dont want to be misunderstood though, I don't think he should be president. He's not qualified, and he does have a temperament problem. Im just saying Id prefer him to Pence and frankly to just about every other republican that ran for the nomination.

mvd

(65,178 posts)
58. No he has not
Wed Apr 5, 2017, 12:42 PM
Apr 2017

Any "moderate" positions have been done out of political expediency. He has changed positions a thousand times. The hard right he chose defines him until proven otherwise.

 

mr_liberal

(1,017 posts)
62. Id rather have that than know for a fact the person is hard right
Wed Apr 5, 2017, 12:51 PM
Apr 2017

and a religious nut. Trump definitely isnt that.

mvd

(65,178 posts)
69. Not me. Trump's instability and other things bother me even more
Wed Apr 5, 2017, 01:01 PM
Apr 2017

Pence is horrible, but at least he knows government.

Crash2Parties

(6,017 posts)
86. That's what scares me most about him. He'll use that knowledge to push his conservative Xian agenda
Wed Apr 5, 2017, 01:36 PM
Apr 2017

Alone, Trump only cares about Trump Industries. He's manipulated by Bannon, Pence & likely Putin. Proof is that he doesn't even know what's in the EOs he signs.

Big_K

(237 posts)
101. I hate Pence, but he's less likely to go to war than Cheetolini
Wed Apr 5, 2017, 03:19 PM
Apr 2017

Orange Hitler is going to bomb North Korea and/or Iran when the Russian probe starts closing in on him.

Crash2Parties

(6,017 posts)
110. Pence & the rest of the GOP are already at war with women & LGBT people.
Wed Apr 5, 2017, 05:18 PM
Apr 2017

And they appear to be winning.

Not like the administration (and Congress) can't do both simultaneously, though.

mvd

(65,178 posts)
112. It's scary, but I feel he won't get the momentum for it
Wed Apr 5, 2017, 05:54 PM
Apr 2017

Overall, the Repukes in power have always cared more about screwing the poor and corporate power than the social/religious agenda. Just my opinion that Trump is worse. It's still like picking your poison.

 

Charles Bukowski

(1,132 posts)
85. Trump is the most right-wing president we've ever had
Wed Apr 5, 2017, 01:31 PM
Apr 2017

I couldn't care less what his views were at one time. I care about what they are now.

I'm stunned to see a liberal defending a Birther POS like Donald Trump. Baffling.

cab67

(2,995 posts)
74. I don't think he actually has positions.
Wed Apr 5, 2017, 01:06 PM
Apr 2017

He says whatever he thinks will make people like him. He sounded moderate-ish when the situation called for it.

He is is an unstable, arrogant, ignorant, dishonest person who should be nowhere near the nuclear codes. He is a threat to national security and a grotesque embarrassment to our national reputation.

Pence, for all his (many, many) shortcomings, won't start an international incident by sending out an early-morning twitter tantrum.

jrthin

(4,836 posts)
55. Are you effing kidding me?
Wed Apr 5, 2017, 12:36 PM
Apr 2017

He's not that bad? Is this same shithead that said a judge with Mexican heritage is unable to judge his case, that you are saying isn't too bad. Is this the same shithead that had black workers in his casino removed from the floor when he was walking through. Please tell me that you didn't say that he is not that bad. What the hell are you saying?

 

mr_liberal

(1,017 posts)
59. I dont care about that stuff, I care about his positions on the issues
Wed Apr 5, 2017, 12:44 PM
Apr 2017

and if he took the positions he really believes he wouldn't be that bad.

And I wouldn't be surprised if that actually happens before his presidency is over. He'll get tired of being forced to do what conservatives tell him to do and will rebel. He is already starting to do that on health care and taxes.

whopis01

(3,515 posts)
73. I hear what you are saying
Wed Apr 5, 2017, 01:05 PM
Apr 2017

and agree to an extent.

If he took the positions he believes in, it would be a fairly moderate administration.

The problem is that he is incredibly easily manipulated by others around him. He doesn't take stands based on what he believes in. He takes stands to try to impressive people and boost his ego. And he is controlled by that.

RobinA

(9,894 posts)
98. I Don't Think
Wed Apr 5, 2017, 02:40 PM
Apr 2017

he actually has "positions." That would require at least some thought and that he have at least two consecutive thoughts that are actually related to each other. He moves around to a (figurative) place that he thinks is beneficial and that is his "position" at that given time. After the weather changes, or maybe just because he feels like it, he moves around again until he happens into another "position" that seems beneficial. Rinse and repeat.

jrthin

(4,836 posts)
82. I DO! Racism is okay
Wed Apr 5, 2017, 01:27 PM
Apr 2017

with you, but it's never, ever going to be okay with me. Have a good day and bless your heart.

 

geek tragedy

(68,868 posts)
60. "Trump is not that bad."
Wed Apr 5, 2017, 12:46 PM
Apr 2017

The fuck you smoking?

Check out his budget, his plans to gut the EPA, his virulent racism and xenophobia, and his (thankfully failed) effort to gut Medicaid and the ACA.

Alice11111

(5,730 posts)
92. Pence, who doesn't believe in evolution, has a neanderthal
Wed Apr 5, 2017, 01:44 PM
Apr 2017

brain. Digusting, self righteous, ignorant.

However, he is not likely to blow us up. DT is crazy, impulsive, lacks self control, and he is vindictive to a level not previously seen. Get him out. Mike Pence will never have the cult following DT has. He can be defeated.

BlueMTexpat

(15,370 posts)
125. All good points, IMO!
Thu Apr 6, 2017, 07:03 AM
Apr 2017

I'd like simply to see the 2016 election electoral results invalidated altogether! But that won't happen.

None of the GOPer bozos in the succession line is much better than Trump. He is simply the most blatant representation of all their wet dreams ad fantasies.

But awful as they are, none is actually insane and some have at least a working knowledge of government - even though they often abuse that knowledge and government itself.

None of them would satisfy the scariest and most hardcore Trump voters - who will be outraged at any Trump ouster. But they also will not be so patently in the clutches of Russian mafia oligarchs.

Alice11111

(5,730 posts)
128. Well said, and I agree about we should have challenged it.
Thu Apr 6, 2017, 11:37 AM
Apr 2017

We would all like a recall, but I supposes it won't happen now. IMHO, as a lawyer, who has practiced constitutional law, in spite of those who scream that it is not written specifically in the Constitution, which is correct, it was "possible."
Many of our laws are made by interpreting the Constitution when situations come up, Citizens United, the courts should have gotten a shot at this. We need to be less afraid to lose. Yeah, pick our battles. Sometimes, even if you lose, you weaken the opposition though. Then again, sometimes you win when you are supposed to lose.

mvd

(65,178 posts)
76. She would be a little more moderate. But..
Wed Apr 5, 2017, 01:08 PM
Apr 2017

she hasn't seemed to change her father much, making me wonder if she really agrees on most things.

LiberalLovinLug

(14,175 posts)
102. I'm starting to think she is a little nazi pretending to be a decent woman
Wed Apr 5, 2017, 03:33 PM
Apr 2017

Instead of the other way around.

Look who she married. And I do fear that in future we will see Jared running for president. And a lot of people will vote for him simply because of having Ivanka as FLOTUS. She will fool a lot of moderate voters and first time voters. Jared will use his employment in this administration as his "experience" in government. And we will see a new political dynasty that would have been thrown on the ash heap if Donald would have lost as he should have.

Tommy_Carcetti

(43,188 posts)
6. I don't trust that cockroach until he's out of the picture completely.
Wed Apr 5, 2017, 11:38 AM
Apr 2017

And even then--as Roger Stone has proven--I still don't trust him.

2naSalit

(86,703 posts)
10. I wouldn't trust
Wed Apr 5, 2017, 11:40 AM
Apr 2017

his ashes after his departure or even if there were six feet of dirt heaped up on his remains. So there!

DBoon

(22,383 posts)
21. Vampires were killed with a stake through the heart
Wed Apr 5, 2017, 11:49 AM
Apr 2017

To make sure they were really dead and would never again haunt the living

Quackers

(2,256 posts)
90. Don't forget the blade around the throats and rock in their mouth.
Wed Apr 5, 2017, 01:43 PM
Apr 2017

Had to make sure they wouldn't rise from the grave.


defacto7

(13,485 posts)
91. So who or what threatened him enough
Wed Apr 5, 2017, 01:44 PM
Apr 2017

to make him do this? That's the only thing that would make him pull back to such an extent. And now that he needs the military wing near by, what's next? Making good on his military threats toward.... everybody?

 

randome

(34,845 posts)
8. I wonder if McMaster gave Dolt45 an ultimatum after the Nunes fiasco.
Wed Apr 5, 2017, 11:39 AM
Apr 2017

[hr][font color="blue"][center]"If you're bored then you're boring." -Harvey Danger[/center][/font][hr]

calimary

(81,383 posts)
22. Interesting assumption. McMaster was publicly embarrassed by the whole Ezra Cohen-Watnick thing.
Wed Apr 5, 2017, 11:50 AM
Apr 2017

He wanted Ezra out. He was overruled by Bannon and Jared Kushner. If he cares anything about chain-of-command, and I'd guess McMaster probably would, being an active-duty Army general, he's going to want to be master of his own department. I'd guess he would NOT take kindly to being overruled by a couple of civilian never-served's with no experience in any of this (whose "qualifications" I'd bet, deep-down, he does not respect). I suspect he'd want to be working with people who aren't glorified contestants on "The Apprentice", particularly at that level.

Perhaps he told trump that he can't and won't work under these conditions, and made one of those "it's him or me" statements.

And if that's true, it would be MOST gratifying to see Bannon knocked down a peg from the all-powerful-and-untouchable position on which he clearly fancies himself to be perched.

PearliePoo2

(7,768 posts)
37. Yes, I agree with your scenario. Excellent synopsis.
Wed Apr 5, 2017, 12:05 PM
Apr 2017


It would look REALLY bad and be especially humiliating for BLOTUS (who's cratering in his beloved polls) for "his Generals" to be taking a hike out the door!
This vain fuck LIVES for his 'ratings'. If he blinked and let McMasters kick Bannon to the curb, THIS (in the words of Uncle Joe) is a BIG fucking deal. I'm actually shocked.


DeminPennswoods

(15,289 posts)
77. I thought that, too
Wed Apr 5, 2017, 01:09 PM
Apr 2017

Right after reading the headline, my first thought was wondering if McMaster gave Trump a "it's him or me" ultimatum. Reportedly McMaster was told he could staff the NSC as he saw fit, then was overruled on Cohen-Watnick. Bloomberg reports McMaster will now set the NSC agenda.

LovingA2andMI

(7,006 posts)
42. Just Mentioned....
Wed Apr 5, 2017, 12:07 PM
Apr 2017

On CNN. Bloomberg also is a legit news resource. If they say KKK Bannon is out as NSA, he's out. They would not take a story like this to press until it was confirmed.

Sunlei

(22,651 posts)
28. lets see what 'fox & f(R)iends' tells Mr. Trump to think about Mr. breibart newsmans demotion.
Wed Apr 5, 2017, 11:55 AM
Apr 2017

If Bannon gets a second floor office like kellyanne did, he's toast, out of the "in crowd."

old guy

(3,283 posts)
16. When the lights turn on, cockroaches always disappear.
Wed Apr 5, 2017, 11:42 AM
Apr 2017

They don't leave forever, they just go where you can't see them.

lapfog_1

(29,215 posts)
19. I'm just guessing here...
Wed Apr 5, 2017, 11:48 AM
Apr 2017

but I think we will soon hear some loud thumps as the bus continues down the road.

(Trump is going to "discover" that Bannon and Flynn were the culprits behind the Russia connection).

Sunlei

(22,651 posts)
20. knew he'd start to get tired of 'best friend' Bannon, surprised he lasted as long as he did.
Wed Apr 5, 2017, 11:49 AM
Apr 2017

Wonder who's next to sit by Mr. Trump all those late nights alone? Won't be Pence, maybe the wife is really moving into the White House.

The honeymoon glow from 'campaign a la' (R)ussia is over?

tblue37

(65,457 posts)
96. Apparently during the campaign Jared was the Trump-whisperer
Wed Apr 5, 2017, 02:25 PM
Apr 2017

during Trump's long sleepless nights. That is why Jared has such influence and is givven such high status roles.

calimary

(81,383 posts)
27. And that's another good point.
Wed Apr 5, 2017, 11:54 AM
Apr 2017

Guys - when we're watching these things, seems to me we have to take ALL these little dangling coincidences into account. The fuller the picture, the better the understanding.

I remember during bush/cheney the INFURIATING timing thing. How so much of what they did and what shit they pulled was strategically timed. TIMING was critical with those people, to the point that some in the media started wiping the sleep away from their eyes about it. It's a strategy. It's a tactic. It's a device. Deliberately schemed, planned, manipulated. They were so fucking devious about it that it was utterly maddening.

It CANNOT be ruled out or overlooked with this bunch, either. We've certainly seen how these fiends have tried to manipulate events in strategically timely ways.

Botany

(70,542 posts)
29. Wasn't Bannon linked to the company Cambridge Analytica, that put the computer linked ...
Wed Apr 5, 2017, 11:56 AM
Apr 2017

Last edited Wed Apr 5, 2017, 01:37 PM - Edit history (1)

... to Russia/Putin into Trump's HQ?

LovingA2andMI

(7,006 posts)
43. Yep....
Wed Apr 5, 2017, 12:09 PM
Apr 2017

KKK Bannon and Flynn will be the Russia Connection "Fall Guys" as Trump does anything to hold on to power.

It won't work but this move will likely delay impeachment of Cheeto a little longer.

The next move will be Rex "Dexy Idiot on the World Stage" Tillerson will be out next.

Blue_Roses

(12,894 posts)
117. Yes, and this could also be seen
Thu Apr 6, 2017, 02:31 AM
Apr 2017

as a step-down because of Russia-gate. The new NSC General may have wanted to get him as far away from any national security as possible, since the FBI has ramped up their investigation.

Either way, glad Bannon got knocked down a peg or two. Good riddance!

MedusaX

(1,129 posts)
31. Perhaps that is why Jared was invited to go out of town...
Wed Apr 5, 2017, 11:59 AM
Apr 2017

Maybe the Chairman of JCoS was delivering a message ....
afterall, Jared is a direct line to 45's ear...

Lucky Luciano

(11,258 posts)
36. Apparently, Jared was out of town hiring a PR person from Hollywood.
Wed Apr 5, 2017, 12:04 PM
Apr 2017

That one also flew past me on my Bloomberg terminal.

Blumhouse Productions Josh Raffel hired to run "communications for Office of American Innovation."

C Moon

(12,219 posts)
120. By saying, "Putin's not happy," I meant he was demanding a changing of the guard.
Thu Apr 6, 2017, 02:36 AM
Apr 2017

But I too am giddy.

zentrum

(9,865 posts)
57. Wonder if something is...
Wed Apr 5, 2017, 12:38 PM
Apr 2017

.....coming down in the Russian investigation. 45 wants to get rid of him before the news comes out.

Peachhead22

(1,078 posts)
66. Very good news
Wed Apr 5, 2017, 12:58 PM
Apr 2017

Hopefully it's a sign that McMaster put his foot down. I hope Ezra Cohen-Watnick is the next person out the door.

I also heard that Bannon is spinning it as "I finished what I wanted to do here and I'm moving on. Job well done." ROFL! Maybe I'll try that line if I ever get canned from a job.

zentrum

(9,865 posts)
80. 45 is not an ideologue...
Wed Apr 5, 2017, 01:17 PM
Apr 2017

He believes in nothing. He is a business man. A bad business man, but a business man. All his Goldman Sachs BFF's came and told him how many billions the immigrant ban is costing every segment of the economy.

Plus, 45 himself is in the hospitality business bigly and no one wants to come here anymore. And besides, there are no illegals to run these businesses.

So Bannon, the hyper-ideologue had to go.
(Maybe. The BBC is saying wait and see if he's really gone.)

What stupid cruel people they all are.

MadDog McMasters is a huge hawk.

All of them are bad for democracy and the earth itself.

mahatmakanejeeves

(57,547 posts)
81. NBC: Steve Bannon Removed From National Security Council
Wed Apr 5, 2017, 01:25 PM
Apr 2017
BREAKING

News

Apr 5 2017, 11:57 am ET

Steve Bannon Removed From National Security Council

by Peter Alexander and Kristen Welker

President Donald Trump has removed Steve Bannon, his chief strategist, from the National Security Council, according to a filing in the federal registry.

{Guessing:} https://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/FR-2017-04-06/pdf/2017-07064.pdf

I didn't see it online yet. It must be showing up in tomorrow's Federal Register.

Here's where it will be:

https://www.federalregister.gov/documents/2017/04/06/2017-07064/government-agencies-and-employees-national-security-council-homeland-security-council-and

This document is unpublished. It is scheduled to be published on 04/06/2017.

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This document is scheduled to be published in the
Federal Register on 04/06/2017 and available online at
https://federalregister.gov/d/2017-07064, and on FDsys.gov

April 4, 2017

NATIONAL SECURITY PRESIDENTIAL MEMORANDUM - 4

MEMORANDUM FOR THE VICE PRESIDENT
THE SECRETARY OF STATE
THE SECRETARY OF THE TREASURY
THE SECRETARY OF DEFENSE
THE ATTORNEY GENERAL
THE SECRETARY OF AGRICULTURE
THE SECRETARY OF HEALTH AND HUMAN SERVICES
THE SECRETARY OF TRANSPORTATION
THE SECRETARY OF COMMERCE
THE SECRETARY OF ENERGY
THE SECRETARY OF HOMELAND SECURITY
THE ASSISTANT TO THE PRESIDENT AND CHIEF OF STAFF
THE DIRECTOR OF THE OFFICE OF MANAGEMENT AND
BUDGET
THE REPRESENTATIVE OF THE UNITED STATES TO THE
UNITED NATIONS
THE UNITED STATES TRADE REPRESENTATIVE
THE CHAIRMAN OF THE COUNCIL OF ECONOMIC ADVISERS
THE CHAIRMAN OF THE BOARD OF GOVERNORS OF THE
FEDERAL RESERVE SYSTEM
THE DIRECTOR OF NATIONAL INTELLIGENCE
THE DIRECTOR OF THE CENTRAL INTELLIGENCE AGENCY
THE CHAIRMAN OF THE JOINT CHIEFS OF STAFF
THE ASSISTANT TO THE PRESIDENT FOR NATIONAL
SECURITY AFFAIRS
THE ASSISTANT TO THE PRESIDENT FOR HOMELAND
SECURITY AND COUNTERTERRORISM
THE ASSISTANT TO THE PRESIDENT FOR ECONOMIC
POLICY
THE ASSISTANT TO THE PRESIDENT
FOR TRADE AND MANUFACTURING POLICY
THE ASSISTANT TO THE PRESIDENT FOR
INTRAGOVERNMENTAL AND TECHNOLOGY INITIATIVES
THE COUNSEL TO THE PRESIDENT
THE DEPUTY ASSISTANT TO THE PRESIDENT AND
NATIONAL SECURITY ADVISOR TO THE VICE PRESIDENT
THE ADMINISTRATOR OF THE UNITED STATES AGENCY FOR
INTERNATIONAL DEVELOPMENT
THE ADMINISTRATOR OF THE NATIONAL AERONAUTICS AND
SPACE ADMINISTRATION
THE CHAIRMAN OF THE NUCLEAR REGULATORY COMMISSION
THE DIRECTOR OF THE FEDERAL BUREAU OF
INVESTIGATION
THE DIRECTOR OF THE OFFICE OF SCIENCE AND
TECHNOLOGY POLICY
THE DIRECTOR OF NATIONAL DRUG CONTROL POLICY
THE CHAIRMAN OF THE PRESIDENT'S INTELLIGENCE
ADVISORY BOARD
THE ADMINISTRATOR OF THE FEDERAL EMERGENCY
MANAGEMENT AGENCY
THE ARCHIVIST OF THE UNITED STATES

SUBJECT: Organization of the National Security Council,
the Homeland Security Council, and Subcommittees

As President, my highest priority is to ensure the safety and
security of the American people. In order to advise and assist
me in executing this solemn responsibility, as well as to
protect and advance the national interests of the United States
at home and abroad, I hereby direct that my system for national
security policy development and decision making shall be
organized as follows:

A. The National Security Council, the Homeland Security Council,
and Supporting Staff

The National Security Act of 1947, as amended, established the
National Security Council (NSC) to advise the President with
respect to the integration of domestic, foreign, and military
policies relating to the national security. There is also a
Homeland Security Council (HSC) -- established through Executive
Order 13228 of October 8, 2001, and subsequently codified in the
Homeland Security Act of 2002 -- that has the purpose of
advising the President on matters pertaining to homeland
security. Each Council is also responsible for the effective
coordination of the security-related activities and functions of
the executive departments and agencies.

The security threats facing the United States in the 21st
century transcend international boundaries. Accordingly, the
United States Government's decision-making structures and
processes to address these challenges must remain equally
adaptive and transformative. Both Councils are statutory bodies
that the President will continue to chair. Invitations to
participate in specific Council meetings shall be extended to
those heads of executive departments and agencies, and other
senior officials, who are needed to address the issue or issues
under consideration. When the President is absent from a
meeting of either Council, the Vice President may preside at the
President's direction.

The Assistant to the President for National Security Affairs
(National Security Advisor) shall be responsible, as appropriate
and at the President's direction, for determining the agenda for
the NSC or HSC, respectively, ensuring that the necessary papers
are prepared and recording Council actions and Presidential
decisions in a timely manner. The Assistant to the President
for Homeland Security and Counterterrorism (Homeland Security
Advisor) may, at the sole discretion of the National Security
Advisor, perform those functions. When international economic
issues are on the agenda of the NSC, the Assistant to the
President for Economic Policy may, at the sole discretion of the
National Security Advisor, perform those functions.
The NSC and HSC shall have as their regular attendees (both
statutory and non-statutory) the President, the Vice President,
the Secretary of State, the Secretary of the Treasury, the
Secretary of Defense, the Attorney General, the Secretary of
Energy, the Secretary of Homeland Security, the National
Security Advisor, the Homeland Security Advisor, and the
Representative of the United States to the United Nations. The
Director of National Intelligence and the Chairman of the Joint
Chiefs of Staff, as statutory advisors to the NSC, shall also be
regular attendees, as will the Director of the Central
Intelligence Agency.

When international economic issues are on the agenda of the NSC,
the NSC's regular attendees will include the Secretary of
Commerce, the United States Trade Representative, and the
Assistant to the President for Economic Policy.

The Assistant to the President and Chief of Staff (Chief of
Staff to the President), the Counsel to the President, the
Deputy Counsel to the President for National Security Affairs,
and the Director of the Office of Management and Budget are
invited as attendees to any NSC meeting.

In addition to the NSC and HSC, there is also a single NSC staff
within the Executive Office of the President that serves both
the NSC and HSC. The staff is composed of regional, issuefocused,
and functional directorates and headed by a single
civilian Executive Secretary, pursuant to 50 U.S.C. 3021, who is
also the Chief of Staff. All policy and staff activity
decisions will be transmitted to the Executive Secretary for
appropriate distribution and awareness. The purpose of the
staff is to advise the President, the National Security Advisor,
the Homeland Security Advisor, the NSC members, the HSC members,
and others in the White House; to facilitate the implementation
of Administration policy; and to help coordinate the nationalsecurity-
related activities of the executive departments and
agencies.

B. The Principals Committee

The Principals Committee (PC) shall continue to serve as the
Cabinet-level senior interagency forum for considering policy
issues that affect the national security interests of the United
States. The PC shall be convened and chaired by the National
Security Advisor. The Homeland Security Advisor may, at the
sole discretion of the National Security Advisor, also convene
and chair the PC. The Chair shall determine the agenda in
consultation with the appropriate committee members, and the
Executive Secretary shall ensure that necessary papers are
prepared, and that conclusions and decisions are communicated in
a timely manner. Invitations to participate in or attend a
specific PC shall be extended at the discretion of the Chair,
and may include those Cabinet-level heads of executive
departments and agencies, and other senior officials, who are
needed to address any issue under consideration.
The PC shall have as its regular attendees the Secretary of
State, the Secretary of the Treasury, the Secretary of Defense,
the Attorney General, the Secretary of Energy, the Secretary of
Homeland Security, the Chief of Staff to the President, the
Director of National Intelligence, the Chairman of the Joint
Chiefs of Staff, the Director of the Central Intelligence
Agency, the National Security Advisor, the Homeland Security
Advisor, and the Representative of the United States to the
United Nations. The Counsel to the President, the Deputy
Counsel to the President for National Security Affairs, and the
Director of the Office of Management and Budget may attend all
PC meetings.

The Assistant to the President and Deputy National Security
Advisor (Deputy National Security Advisor), the Deputy National
Security Advisor for Strategy, the Deputy Assistant to the
President and National Security Advisor to the Vice President,
and the Executive Secretary (who shall serve as the Executive
Secretary of the PC) shall attend all of the meetings of the PC,
and the Assistant to the President for Intragovernmental and
Technology Initiatives may attend as appropriate.

When international economic issues are on the agenda of the PC,
the Committee's regular attendees will include the Secretary
of Commerce, the United States Trade Representative, and the
Assistant to the President for Economic Policy (who shall serve
as Chair for agenda items that principally pertain to
international economics).

C. The Deputies Committee

The Deputies Committee (DC) shall continue to serve as the
senior sub-Cabinet interagency forum for consideration of, and
where appropriate, decision making on, policy issues that affect
the national security interests of the United States. The DC
shall be convened and chaired by the Deputy National Security
Advisor. The Deputy Homeland Security Advisor may, at the sole
discretion of the National Security Advisor, also convene and
Chair the DC. The Chair shall determine the agenda in
consultation with the regular DC attendees, and the Executive
Secretary shall ensure that necessary papers are prepared and
that conclusions and decisions are communicated in a timely
manner. Invitations to participate in or attend a specific DC
meeting shall be extended by the Chair to those at the Deputy
Secretary or Under Secretary level of executive departments and
agencies, and to other senior officials, who are needed to
address any issue under consideration.

The DC shall have as its regular attendees the Deputy Secretary
of State, the Deputy Secretary of the Treasury, the Deputy
Secretary of Defense, the Deputy Attorney General, the Deputy
Secretary of Energy, the Deputy Secretary of Homeland Security,
the Deputy Director of the Office of Management and Budget, the
Deputy Director of National Intelligence, the Vice Chairman of
the Joint Chiefs of Staff, the Deputy Director of the Central
Intelligence Agency, the Deputy National Security Advisor, the
Deputy National Security Advisor for Strategy, the Deputy
Homeland Security Advisor, the Deputy Assistant to the President
and National Security Advisor to the Vice President, and the
Administrator of the United States Agency for International
Development.

The Executive Secretary shall attend the DC meetings. The
Deputy Counsel to the President for National Security Affairs
may attend all DC meetings. Other senior officials, including
the Deputy Representative of the United States to the United
Nations, may be invited when appropriate.

The DC shall review and monitor the work of the interagency
national security process, including the interagency groups
established pursuant to section D below. The DC shall help to
ensure that issues brought before the NSC, HSC, and PC have been
properly analyzed and prepared for decision. The DC shall also
focus significant attention on monitoring the implementation of
policies and decisions and shall conduct periodic reviews of the
Administration's major national security and foreign policy
initiatives. The DC is responsible for establishing Policy
Coordination Committees (PCCs) and for providing objectives and
clear guidance.

D. Policy Coordination Committees

Management of the development and implementation of national
security policies by multiple executive departments and agencies
typically shall be accomplished by the PCCs, with participation
primarily occurring at the Assistant Secretary level. As the
main day-to-day fora for interagency coordination of national
security policies, the PCCs shall provide policy analysis for
consideration by the more senior committees of the national
security system and ensure timely responses to the President's
decisions.

Regional and issue-related PCCs shall be established at the
direction of the DC. Members of the NSC staff (or National
Economic Council staff, as appropriate) will chair the PCCs; the
DC, at its discretion, may add co-chairs to any PCC. The PCCs
shall review and coordinate the implementation of Presidential
decisions in their respective policy areas. The Chair of each
PCC, in consultation with the Executive Secretary, shall invite
representatives of other executive departments and agencies to
attend meetings of the PCC where appropriate. The Chair of each
PCC, with the agreement of the Executive Secretary, may
establish subordinate working groups to assist that PCC in the
performance of its duties.

E. General

The President and the Vice President may attend any and all
meetings of any entity established by or under this memorandum.

This document is part of a series of National Security
Presidential Memoranda, which have replaced both Presidential
Policy Directives and Presidential Study Directives as the
instrument for communicating relevant Presidential decisions.
This memorandum shall supersede all other existing Presidential
directives and guidance on the organization or support of the
NSC and the HSC, including National Security Presidential
Memorandum – 2 (January 28, 2017), which is hereby revoked.
With regard to its application to economic matters, this
document shall be interpreted in concert with any Executive
Order governing the National Economic Council and with
Presidential Memoranda signed hereafter that implement it or
those Executive Orders.

The Secretary of Defense is hereby authorized and directed to
publish this memorandum in the Federal Register.

{FR Doc. 2017-07064 Filed: 4/5/2017 11:15 am; Publication Date: 4/6/2017}

vlyons

(10,252 posts)
84. Thank you Gen McMaster for putting your foot down
Wed Apr 5, 2017, 01:30 PM
Apr 2017

I'll be he threatened to resign and make a big stink going out the door if he wasn't given authority to run his own show. Nothing worse for a manager than to have responsibility with no authority.

diva77

(7,650 posts)
87. WH is spinning it as a "natural progression"
Wed Apr 5, 2017, 01:37 PM
Apr 2017

(from same article as original post)

https://www.bloomberg.com/politics/articles/2017-04-05/bannon-removed-from-national-security-council-role-in-shakeup

snip...
A White House official portrayed the change as a natural progression rather than a demotion for Bannon. The official, who spoke on condition of anonymity, contended that Bannon was placed on the committee in part to monitor Trump’s first national security adviser, Michael Flynn, and never attended a meeting. He’s no longer needed with McMaster in charge of the council, the official said...snip

B Stieg

(2,410 posts)
89. Deconstruction of the Deconstructive State
Wed Apr 5, 2017, 01:41 PM
Apr 2017

Looks like the boy genius forgot that deconstruction applies to him and his crackpot ideas, too.

LiberalBrooke

(527 posts)
95. Jared is pushing him out.
Wed Apr 5, 2017, 02:08 PM
Apr 2017

Jared is in favor this month and getting all of the assignments. I'd watch my back if I was Bannon.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
100. Oh, let's hope so. Last week's report of Kushner's
Wed Apr 5, 2017, 03:14 PM
Apr 2017

increased responsibilities was a bad sign for rabid-hyena Bannon. And now this...!

Vox: "There’s one more thing to celebrate. Trump operates his White House on a zero-sum model, where there are competing power centers and where one aide gaining influence almost always means another one is losing theirs. That means the Bannon move is as much about McMaster’s growing role as it is about Bannon’s shrinking one."

And of course shrinking relative to Kushner's in the trusted inner circle. This also can't be good news for the extremist anti-tax Mercer- and Koch-type interests.

raven mad

(4,940 posts)
104. Am I allowed to giggle............
Wed Apr 5, 2017, 03:54 PM
Apr 2017

Sincerely, we have a baboon running what is supposed to be a presidency. I didn't hate Shrub, or his daddy, or Reaguns, or Nixon. AH! I get it - the very first elected idiot that I hate!

So he gets a first - and, I hope, a last.

Tarc

(10,476 posts)
105. The right-wingnuts are spinning this hard
Wed Apr 5, 2017, 03:55 PM
Apr 2017

I love it; they claim his "one job" was to expose Susan Rice, and now that that laughably non-explosive bombshell just came out, he's claiming victory and moving on.

Conservatism is truly a mental disorder.

Honeycombe8

(37,648 posts)
108. My gut reaction is that he was told....
Wed Apr 5, 2017, 04:28 PM
Apr 2017

that Bannon had nothing to contribute, or that others were going to bail on the council because Bannon was an irritant at the meetings. My best guess is the former, that he was told by more than one influential person, or Trump saw personally, that Bannon was out of his field there and wasn't helpful there. Now that we're having trouble with Syria committing war crimes & N Korean gearing up to possibly nuke us. And in view of Trump's horrible track record on dealing with foreign leaders.

I'm sure Bannon is still the fly in Trump's ear, whispering sweet nothings to him daily. Trump is loyal, and they're bffs.

ColemanMaskell

(783 posts)
111. Trump is loyal? Where do you get that?
Wed Apr 5, 2017, 05:23 PM
Apr 2017

Seems to me his pattern is to turn on people as soon as he thinks they're no longer useful to him. Maybe I'm missing something?

Honeycombe8

(37,648 posts)
114. Yeah, I've read that he's very loyal to his real friends.
Wed Apr 5, 2017, 06:57 PM
Apr 2017

He had a ruthless mentor once...he was very loyal to him. And to Bannon. To his kids. (not to his wives - women in general, probably).

He was friends with Flynn. Don't know if he still is. But not sure they were bffs, like with Bannon.

That's what I read. Look how loyal he is to Putin!

ThoughtCriminal

(14,047 posts)
109. Re-arranging seats in the clown car?
Wed Apr 5, 2017, 05:08 PM
Apr 2017

or as Stephen Colbert brilliantly put it for W's administration"

Everybody asks for personnel changes. So the White House has personnel changes. Then you write, "Oh, they're just rearranging the deck chairs on the Titanic." First of all, that is a terrible metaphor. This administration is not sinking. This administration is soaring. If anything, they are rearranging the deck chairs on the Hindenburg! - Stephen Colbert

Rollo

(2,559 posts)
113. Bannon appointed himself to the NSC...
Wed Apr 5, 2017, 05:57 PM
Apr 2017

At least that was the gist of some reports. That Bannon had slipped Trump the document appointing him to the NSC for signing without telling Trump what it was. And apparently Trump was not pleased when he found out he'd been tricked...

"To monitor Flynn" ??? Really? Absurd.

"A natural progression" ??? Yeah, I guess if being kicked off the highest security committee in the administration is progress. Wait, in Bannon's case, it probably is. That is, the nation progresses.

It's fun, however, seeing this administration self-destruct like this.

They are running out of excuses like "It's all Obama's fault"...

Rollo

(2,559 posts)
116. Eventually, Trump will be blaming the American people for the disaster(s) he causes...
Wed Apr 5, 2017, 08:47 PM
Apr 2017

Just like Hitler blamed the German people for losing WWII...

Let's just hope American leaders don't obey Trump's last orders to lay waste to this nation.

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