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brooklynite

(94,660 posts)
Wed Apr 5, 2017, 12:44 PM Apr 2017

Trump Suggests Susan Rice Committed Crime, Citing No Evidence

Last edited Wed Apr 5, 2017, 01:29 PM - Edit history (1)

Source: New York Times

WASHINGTON — President Trump said on Wednesday that he thought that the former national security adviser Susan E. Rice may have committed a crime by seeking the identities of Trump associates who were mentioned on intercepted communications and that other Obama administration officials may also have been involved.

“I think it’s going to be the biggest story,” Mr. Trump said in an interview in the Oval Office, declining repeated requests for evidence for his allegations or the names of other Obama administration officials. “It’s such an important story for our country and the world. It is one of the big stories of our time.”

He declined to say if he had personally reviewed new intelligence to bolster his claim but pledged to explain himself “at the right time.”

When asked if Ms. Rice, who has denied leaking the names of Trump associates under surveillance by United States intelligence agencies, had committed a crime, the president said, “Do I think? Yes, I think.



Read more: https://www.nytimes.com/2017/04/05/us/politics/trump-interview-susan-rice.html

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Trump Suggests Susan Rice Committed Crime, Citing No Evidence (Original Post) brooklynite Apr 2017 OP
Isnt that like the pot figuratively speaking calling the kettle black. Is he innocent?! caroldansen Apr 2017 #1
I heard trump once called himself a democrat. What a fake and phony he is. caroldansen Apr 2017 #6
People say Donald Trump may have committed a crime. forgotmylogin Apr 2017 #24
actually, many crimes. Ligyron Apr 2017 #50
distract distract distract maxsolomon Apr 2017 #2
He just wants "crime" and "someone besides Trump" repeated on the airwaves. forgotmylogin Apr 2017 #75
Who gives a flying F**K what he says SharonClark Apr 2017 #3
Only 80%? 3catwoman3 Apr 2017 #37
He does occasionally tell the truth. Rincewind Apr 2017 #85
I think I have been selectively... 3catwoman3 Apr 2017 #86
How can you when Trump is lying? True_Blue Apr 2017 #87
Agreed. Sculpin Beauregard Apr 2017 #39
I honestly can't think of a truthful thing he ever said. Dave Starsky Apr 2017 #63
Yet another lie Phoenix61 Apr 2017 #4
If trump thinks it its always false. caroldansen Apr 2017 #9
beat me to it. mopinko Apr 2017 #32
Go fuck yourself in your fat fucking ass. Jonny Appleseed Apr 2017 #5
Oh, FFS. The Velveteen Ocelot Apr 2017 #7
My exact reaction. Pacifist Patriot Apr 2017 #25
Our 'overseas' allies also intercepted communications and noticed meetings. Even Putin sent a Sunlei Apr 2017 #45
The President should not be saying stuff like this, what is the fucker up to now? JHan Apr 2017 #8
He'll make noise against anybody if it takes even a little attention away from #TrumpRussia. Bernardo de La Paz Apr 2017 #13
Smokescreen attempting to divert attention from #TrumpRussia by the Minority President. nt Bernardo de La Paz Apr 2017 #10
Coming from not one of the biggest liars on the continent, but THE biggest liar on the shraby Apr 2017 #11
He should say that looking in a mirror, "You sir are a criminal." TexasProgresive Apr 2017 #12
The jackass-in-chief is referencing... yallerdawg Apr 2017 #14
Blast from the past: Nixon pronounces Charles Manson "guilty." mahatmakanejeeves Apr 2017 #15
Yeah but that was Charles Manson Juliusseizure Apr 2017 #36
Granted, not exactly a model citizen, but mahatmakanejeeves Apr 2017 #38
Agree Juliusseizure Apr 2017 #54
I remember that Nixon had announced that someone was guilty. mahatmakanejeeves Apr 2017 #59
No worries .. That is just Trump-o-Matic at work Le Gaucher Apr 2017 #16
Beautiful. dalton99a Apr 2017 #21
That is by far the most accurate cartoon of this criminally insane-man baby-poor Guy Whitey Corngood Apr 2017 #27
more bullshit to feed to his moron followers so they can concoct a new conspiracy Javaman Apr 2017 #17
It's the Trump-O-Matic 9000 at work churning out bullshit! Initech Apr 2017 #18
When one deflection attempt doesn't work well enough... WePurrsevere Apr 2017 #19
donny, shove it up your bloated butt. We know YOU committed a crime, no "may" about it. George II Apr 2017 #20
This POS is a disgrace and needs to be removed still_one Apr 2017 #22
So they've decided to make Susan Rice the scapegoat to cover up his lie about O wiretapping him. brush Apr 2017 #23
Gaslighting. Projection. Bullshit . Lies. Just a normal day in trumpland NRaleighLiberal Apr 2017 #26
What crime? More nonsense and more deflection. Glimmer of Hope Apr 2017 #28
I hope no one in media assumes: 1) that Trump actually understands the law 2) that Trump wiggs Apr 2017 #29
Trying to keep Bannon out of the news BeyondGeography Apr 2017 #30
The deflector in-chief. notdarkyet Apr 2017 #31
75% of americans think he's a con man Renew Deal Apr 2017 #33
The best and most appropriate response Gymbo Apr 2017 #34
Looky over there Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Apr 2017 #35
Thanks Mr. Trump! So "Trump associates" really were contacting suspicious Russians. Sunlei Apr 2017 #40
That's all the confirmation we need FakeNoose Apr 2017 #74
I got you. Sunlei Apr 2017 #83
Nothing this lunatic can do janx Apr 2017 #41
She needs to bring a lawsuit. LisaM Apr 2017 #42
As has been said many times on DU, The Velveteen Ocelot Apr 2017 #46
She was accused of being a criminal. LisaM Apr 2017 #55
He never provided evidence of his Obama wiretapping claim and he will never provide.. CousinIT Apr 2017 #43
He never apologized for the "Birther" nonsense either... Moostache Apr 2017 #53
The first sentence is "Fake News"; i.e., Trump did not say "may have." He said, "YES." WinkyDink Apr 2017 #44
Guess he pulled that one out of the law library up his ass. Vinca Apr 2017 #47
Squirrel! Watch the media fall for it too. nt TeamPooka Apr 2017 #48
Benghazi rehash may be coming up - or possibly Rump may produce a unicorn for everyone to look at NoMoreRepugs Apr 2017 #49
Who's next after Susan Rice? The Republicans continue the rladdi Apr 2017 #51
The logic: Eyeball_Kid Apr 2017 #52
R/T: None of our modern Presidents have stooped so low. Makes wild charges with no evidence. riversedge Apr 2017 #56
ok, we see Another crazy tweet-lie from the Republican but this response is hilarious! Sunlei Apr 2017 #57
If she hasnt done anything illegal and if he is lying she needs to sue him as the president does not cstanleytech Apr 2017 #58
Go fuck yourself, Trump. Initech Apr 2017 #60
Hey sexual predator, while you were gallivanting down to Mar A Lago spending $203,000 a hour turbinetree Apr 2017 #61
She should sue him for slander. nt tblue37 Apr 2017 #62
Benedict Donald rockfordfile Apr 2017 #64
The media has a new toy to chase. GeorgeGist Apr 2017 #65
Trump farted............they reported Angry Dragon Apr 2017 #66
The Evidence Suggests UT_democrat Apr 2017 #67
hahha rtracey Apr 2017 #68
evidence? We dont need no stinkin' evidence! nt 7962 Apr 2017 #69
in other news, TRUMP IS STILL AN IDIOT Fast Walker 52 Apr 2017 #70
"He thinks"???? With what's not 'up in the belfry except bats'. n/t sprinkleeninow Apr 2017 #72
Deplorables don't need proof... EarthFirst Apr 2017 #71
TRUMP DOESN'T THINK ....... he has no brain. trueblue2007 Apr 2017 #73
Waiting for him to go after one of the real patriots, like Rice and Eliot Rosewater Apr 2017 #76
Susan Rice suggests Trump committed a crime, Citing it's classified juxtaposed Apr 2017 #77
Need to fumigate or tear down the oval office if an adult ever gets in there again. Eliot Rosewater Apr 2017 #78
Is anybody surprised? spiderpig Apr 2017 #79
" I have the best mind" SummerSnow Apr 2017 #80
Again, pulling shit out of his mouth dalton99a Apr 2017 #81
Trump is always playing a credibility game bucolic_frolic Apr 2017 #82
He does not need to provide evidence. drray23 Apr 2017 #84

Ligyron

(7,637 posts)
50. actually, many crimes.
Wed Apr 5, 2017, 01:52 PM
Apr 2017

Plus, this moran has no idea what the powers of the NSC are or their duties. Bannon?

Come to think of it, he knows very little about how government works.

Sculpin Beauregard

(1,046 posts)
39. Agreed.
Wed Apr 5, 2017, 01:21 PM
Apr 2017

Whatever comes out of his mouth is garbage. The news networks shouldn't play the stupid game. Nobody should fall for this shit anymore. There are much more important things to do.

Dave Starsky

(5,914 posts)
63. I honestly can't think of a truthful thing he ever said.
Wed Apr 5, 2017, 02:52 PM
Apr 2017

Maybe the times he suggested that he wanted to fuck his daughter. I think he was honest about all of that.

Phoenix61

(17,009 posts)
4. Yet another lie
Wed Apr 5, 2017, 12:49 PM
Apr 2017

He said he thinks. That is obviously, patently, false. But about the other stuff. She didn't unmask anything. The agency that produced the raw Intel did the unmasking. She may have asked, in the course of doing her job, a name be unmasked but the producer of the Intel did the unmasking.

mopinko

(70,162 posts)
32. beat me to it.
Wed Apr 5, 2017, 01:11 PM
Apr 2017

but yeah, how would she have been doing her job if she DIDNT ask to see who was talking to who about treason?

 

Jonny Appleseed

(960 posts)
5. Go fuck yourself in your fat fucking ass.
Wed Apr 5, 2017, 12:49 PM
Apr 2017

We better stop softballing him with "Trump associates colluding with Russian agents" and go with what we're all trying to say diplomatically "Donald Trump conspired to commit and carried out criminal actions as an agent of the Russian government"

The Velveteen Ocelot

(115,783 posts)
7. Oh, FFS.
Wed Apr 5, 2017, 12:50 PM
Apr 2017

Rice was the National Security Advisor. She was doing her job. Did SCROTUS mention that there would have been no intercepts at all if there hadn't been FISA warrants authorizing them, or that Rice would have had to sought and received permission for the names to be unmasked, and that she didn't tell anyone whose names those were?

Of course not. More chaff.

Sunlei

(22,651 posts)
45. Our 'overseas' allies also intercepted communications and noticed meetings. Even Putin sent a
Wed Apr 5, 2017, 01:36 PM
Apr 2017

photo of Flynn? and a couple other 'big names' handsomely paid "vacation" in Moscow.

Mr. Trumps always been out of the Republicans "inner loop". The good old boys shared nothing important with Donald.

JHan

(10,173 posts)
8. The President should not be saying stuff like this, what is the fucker up to now?
Wed Apr 5, 2017, 12:50 PM
Apr 2017

He's going to go after Rice?

shraby

(21,946 posts)
11. Coming from not one of the biggest liars on the continent, but THE biggest liar on the
Wed Apr 5, 2017, 12:51 PM
Apr 2017

continent.
His tally of lies per statements is phenomenal.

yallerdawg

(16,104 posts)
14. The jackass-in-chief is referencing...
Wed Apr 5, 2017, 12:53 PM
Apr 2017

Drudge Report, Daily Caller, and conspiracy theorist DiGenova.

This is such a crock of shit it is merely another notch in his lengthening record of lies and overt ignorance.

I cannot believe this buffoon holds the office these 60,000,000 deplorable morons made possible for him to stumble into.

mahatmakanejeeves

(57,547 posts)
15. Blast from the past: Nixon pronounces Charles Manson "guilty."
Wed Apr 5, 2017, 12:55 PM
Apr 2017


Nixon Calls Manson Guilty; Attorneys Move a Mistrial

By Leopold N. Loeb,* August 4, 1970

President Nixon may have freed Charles Manson-not by an act of executive clemency, but by one of errant stupidity. ... Defense attorneys for Manson, Leslie Van Houten, and Susan Atkins-who face charges of murder stemming from the mass killings last August of actress Sharon Tate and six other persons-moved for a mistrial yesterday after learning that Nixon had said that Manson was "guilty, directly or indirectly, of eight murders without reason."

Trial Judge Charles N. Holder denied the motion pending an official version of the Nixon remarks, but a defense attorney said the judge was "alarmed" at the report.

Oops

Late last night, however, Nixon said flatly he did not mean to imply that Manson was guilty.
....

In Los Angeles, defense attorney Paul Fitzgerald told reporters, "If we're going to have the chief executive of this nation categorically or uncategorically speculate on people's guilt, we ought to abandon this court system. Maybe President Nixon in a news conference ought to determine whether these people are guilty."

* "Leopold N. Loeb"? Are you kidding me?

mahatmakanejeeves

(57,547 posts)
38. Granted, not exactly a model citizen, but
Wed Apr 5, 2017, 01:20 PM
Apr 2017

if any prosecutor ever did bring charges against Susan Rice, her attorneys would immediately move to dismiss them on the grounds that any jury, anywhere, anytime, anyplace, would haven been prejudiced by *****'s pronouncement.

And by "*****," I mean T****, not Nixon.

Juliusseizure

(562 posts)
54. Agree
Wed Apr 5, 2017, 02:05 PM
Apr 2017

My point Nixon didn't make the allegation against innocent political opposition for purposes of cover up.

I hope every one of these tweets just adds to impeachable obstruction charges.

But Trump was careful to frame it as an opinion, as would the Hannity's. Otherwise, its a defamation suit. Journalists should ask him "so you're saying Rice committed a criminal offense?" forcing him to weasel out of it.

mahatmakanejeeves

(57,547 posts)
59. I remember that Nixon had announced that someone was guilty.
Wed Apr 5, 2017, 02:18 PM
Apr 2017

I was horrified to see that it was Charles Manson. So, yeah, I was hoping that it was a more ... likeable ... person involved.

Guy Whitey Corngood

(26,501 posts)
27. That is by far the most accurate cartoon of this criminally insane-man baby-poor
Wed Apr 5, 2017, 01:07 PM
Apr 2017

excuse for a Batman villain.

WePurrsevere

(24,259 posts)
19. When one deflection attempt doesn't work well enough...
Wed Apr 5, 2017, 12:58 PM
Apr 2017

Try another.. and another.. and another. I guess he figures he if throws enough imaginary poo out there sooner or later something will take the heat off of his and his cabal's real and increasingly stinky poo... it won't.

The more he projects, deflects, lies, etc the more guilty he looks in a he "doth protest too much, methinks" way.

brush

(53,801 posts)
23. So they've decided to make Susan Rice the scapegoat to cover up his lie about O wiretapping him.
Wed Apr 5, 2017, 01:02 PM
Apr 2017

Typical of this liar — trying to divert away from the Russian collusion investigation so he targets O's National Security Advisor who did her job as National Security Advisor in making it her office's business in finding out who in his campaign was talking surreptitiously to the Russians.

If she hadn't done exactly that she'd have been in dereliction of duty.

wiggs

(7,814 posts)
29. I hope no one in media assumes: 1) that Trump actually understands the law 2) that Trump
Wed Apr 5, 2017, 01:09 PM
Apr 2017

understands what Susan Rice did, and 3) would voice a truthful opinion about it even if he did understand the issue

At this point, citizens and media outlets should assume he's an ignorant liar unless proven differently. No reason to think otherwise

Gymbo

(133 posts)
34. The best and most appropriate response
Wed Apr 5, 2017, 01:11 PM
Apr 2017

Is for Susan Rice to comment that Donald Trump may have committed a crime.

Sunlei

(22,651 posts)
40. Thanks Mr. Trump! So "Trump associates" really were contacting suspicious Russians.
Wed Apr 5, 2017, 01:21 PM
Apr 2017

Were they "Trump associates" personal contacts and 'friends' or did some other Republicans connect the "Trump associates" with the Russians?

janx

(24,128 posts)
41. Nothing this lunatic can do
Wed Apr 5, 2017, 01:24 PM
Apr 2017

will stop the investigations on the part of Congress and intelligence agencies. He is pissing in the wind.

LisaM

(27,817 posts)
42. She needs to bring a lawsuit.
Wed Apr 5, 2017, 01:31 PM
Apr 2017

At this point, there is no reason to take the high road. She's being slandered; as if they didn't put her through enough with their Benghazi nonsense.

The Velveteen Ocelot

(115,783 posts)
46. As has been said many times on DU,
Wed Apr 5, 2017, 01:37 PM
Apr 2017

it is almost impossible to sue a public figure for defamation. So, no.

LisaM

(27,817 posts)
55. She was accused of being a criminal.
Wed Apr 5, 2017, 02:11 PM
Apr 2017

And publicly. We'll see, I guess. But I'm tired of taking this crap lying down.

CousinIT

(9,252 posts)
43. He never provided evidence of his Obama wiretapping claim and he will never provide..
Wed Apr 5, 2017, 01:31 PM
Apr 2017

...evidence that Rice "committed a crime" -- because she didn't.

HIS OPINION and the opinions of his Trumpanzee followers are NOT LAW. They can BELIEVE whatever they want. The truth and the law however, have nothing to do with their fantasyland.

Moostache

(9,897 posts)
53. He never apologized for the "Birther" nonsense either...
Wed Apr 5, 2017, 02:01 PM
Apr 2017

I STILL want people to question about what exactly his "people" he sent to Hawaii were seeing that we would not believe...bad things, terrible things...

I am so fucking through with this shit-gibbon flinging his own feces around and the press calling it "news"...STOP covering his obvious lies and clear attempts to distract the attention away from his own crimes and issues.

rladdi

(581 posts)
51. Who's next after Susan Rice? The Republicans continue the
Wed Apr 5, 2017, 01:55 PM
Apr 2017

trashing of honest Democrats doing their job, unlike the Republicans and Trump. They want to keep the focus off themselves and just keep charging anyone they can develop a good story.

Eyeball_Kid

(7,433 posts)
52. The logic:
Wed Apr 5, 2017, 01:58 PM
Apr 2017

Trumpy ASSUMES that there is NO Russia/Trump connection or relationship. Even though that's an in-your-face lie, Trumpy's blaming of everyone starts there. Then he can surmise that the "unmasking" of Trump campaign people can only be considered politically (and NOT law enforcement) motivated, because there wouldn't be another viable reason for the unmasking. Trumpy is playing this fundamantal denial, that there was NO collusion with Russia, to the very end. All of his distractions and allegations only make sense with the fundamental denial.

riversedge

(70,266 posts)
56. R/T: None of our modern Presidents have stooped so low. Makes wild charges with no evidence.
Wed Apr 5, 2017, 02:14 PM
Apr 2017



Nicholas Burns‏ @RNicholasBurns

None of our modern Presidents have stooped so low. Makes wild charges with no evidence.


cstanleytech

(26,306 posts)
58. If she hasnt done anything illegal and if he is lying she needs to sue him as the president does not
Wed Apr 5, 2017, 02:17 PM
Apr 2017

have full immunity, if he did then Clinton could have told Ken Starr to fuck off.

turbinetree

(24,709 posts)
61. Hey sexual predator, while you were gallivanting down to Mar A Lago spending $203,000 a hour
Wed Apr 5, 2017, 02:45 PM
Apr 2017

and over 45 million playing f***ing golf, so far, and your wife has incurred over 56 million defending your worthless name on some building.

Rice did something that you haven't down, when she got vetted she released her tax returns-------------------were still waiting ass****

So FU and the horse you road in on, your "approval" rating is now down to 32%, why it is at this all time high is beyond me, it should be at .01 %

And then whats really iconic is that there are some in the the corporate media is trying desperately to connect your BS, when it came from "guy" that initiated the pizza gate shit








 

rtracey

(2,062 posts)
68. hahha
Wed Apr 5, 2017, 03:39 PM
Apr 2017

You know what?your prison uniform is going to match your fake hair. I can't wait for you to be a choir boy in the joint.... one can hope.

Eliot Rosewater

(31,112 posts)
76. Waiting for him to go after one of the real patriots, like Rice and
Wed Apr 5, 2017, 07:29 PM
Apr 2017

our reaction better be that we are all in at that point.

A Susan Rice or whoever will NOT be indicted or arrested by a corrupt justice dept.

I hope we draw the line there.

Anyway , this whole distraction was created by a known liar, DiGenova. Never ever tells the truth, wouldn't know the truth if he saw it.

Eliot Rosewater

(31,112 posts)
78. Need to fumigate or tear down the oval office if an adult ever gets in there again.
Wed Apr 5, 2017, 07:46 PM
Apr 2017

The shame cant be removed.

drray23

(7,635 posts)
84. He does not need to provide evidence.
Thu Apr 6, 2017, 12:38 AM
Apr 2017

Its working anyway. The gop senators are already falling all over themselves to conflate this with the real investigation about collusion with russia and saying they will get to the bottom of this and ask rice to testify.

Trump has figured out he can gum up the whole investigation simply by throwing wild accusations and have it picked up by the committees.



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