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wishstar

(5,271 posts)
Thu Apr 6, 2017, 06:49 PM Apr 2017

C.I.A. Had Evidence of Russian Effort to Help Trump Earlier Than Believed

Source: NY Times

The former officials said that in late August — 10 weeks before the election — John O. Brennan, then the C.I.A. director, was so concerned about increasing evidence of Russia’s election meddling that he began a series of urgent, individual briefings for eight top members of Congress, some of them on secure phone lines while they were on their summer break.

It is unclear what new intelligence might have prompted the classified briefings. But with concerns growing both internally and publicly at the time about a significant Russian breach of the Democratic National Committee, the C.I.A. began seeing signs of possible connections to the Trump campaign, the officials said. By the final weeks of the campaign, Congress and the intelligence agencies were racing to understand the scope of the Russia threat.

In an Aug. 25 briefing for Harry Reid, then the top Democrat in the Senate, Mr. Brennan indicated that Russia’s hackings appeared aimed at helping Mr. Trump win the November election, according to two former officials with knowledge of the briefing.

The officials said Mr. Brennan also indicated that unnamed advisers to Mr. Trump might be working with the Russians to interfere in the election. The F.B.I. and two congressional committees are now investigating that claim, focusing on possible communications and financial dealings between Russian affiliates and a handful of former advisers to Mr. Trump. So far, no proof of collusion has emerged publicly.


Read more: https://www.nytimes.com/2017/04/06/us/trump-russia-cia-john-brennan.html?hp&action=click&pgtype=Homepage&clickSource=story-heading&module=first-column-region&region=top-news&WT.nav=top-news&_r=0



The breaking news element of this story is that government officials have leaked to NY Times that CIA knew much earlier than previously reported about the Russian hacking specifically to help Trump and that CIA had to push FBI into doing more to investigate as FBI was downplaying the aspect that the hacking was to help Trump, not just disrupt our election. Also CIA director Brennan had indicated Trump advisors might be working with the Russians.
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C.I.A. Had Evidence of Russian Effort to Help Trump Earlier Than Believed (Original Post) wishstar Apr 2017 OP
and of course Greenwald and Stein will continue to tell yes this is just more mccarthyism to pick on still_one Apr 2017 #1
Here are two more paragraphs from this new article wishstar Apr 2017 #2
Important part McCamy Taylor Apr 2017 #3
This means that 4 top RepubliCONs knew for months & covered up & refused to investigate. . . nt Bernardo de La Paz Apr 2017 #4
Yes because they wanted trump in even by doing wrong. Thats the republicans. caroldansen Apr 2017 #5
They sanctioned it. Dustlawyer Apr 2017 #27
Glad there are whistleblowing leakers determined to get the truth out and make sure coverups fail wishstar Apr 2017 #6
Didn't McConnell Stonewall On Hearing This Too?.... global1 Apr 2017 #7
Yes, I think you are essentially correct on all points. The first is speculative, but very possible. Bernardo de La Paz Apr 2017 #9
McConnell didnt even want to warn state elections officials- "he resisted" according to the article wishstar Apr 2017 #10
I have thought that for months; that they stonewalled Garland becasue they knew they had the Amaryllis Apr 2017 #15
And McConnell Got His Quid Pro Quo.... global1 Apr 2017 #16
yes, but that was minor compared to getting the executive, house, senate and SCOTUS. Amaryllis Apr 2017 #17
Good ole Moscow Mitch NewRedDawn Apr 2017 #22
Yes they knew and support Trump's Russian connection rockfordfile Apr 2017 #8
And that needs Delphinus Apr 2017 #12
generally, the FBI & CIA have been strong arms for the military industrial complex elmac Apr 2017 #11
Did they get what they wanted? NT. warmfeet Apr 2017 #13
that may have been part of it but I don't think that was their main thinking Fast Walker 52 Apr 2017 #21
Anyone else think Comey has a bit more explaining to do? NoMoreRepugs Apr 2017 #14
There was that Newsweek report last week that Comey wanted to go to the NYT last summer Amaryllis Apr 2017 #18
I call bullshit from anonymous sources. Fucking bullshit. JTFrog Apr 2017 #25
FBI officials misled NY Times earlier to be dismissive of notion that Russians were helping Trump wishstar Apr 2017 #20
THIS**** riversedge Apr 2017 #28
Fuck yes. And I better not hear another fucking word from Comey defenders here. JTFrog Apr 2017 #24
So, is the entire top of the GOP complicit in helping Russia place Trump? Crash2Parties Apr 2017 #19
One more motherfucker tries to tell me that Comey was being a stand up guy they can kiss my ass. JTFrog Apr 2017 #23
This entire election is illegitimate. aquamarina Apr 2017 #26

still_one

(92,366 posts)
1. and of course Greenwald and Stein will continue to tell yes this is just more mccarthyism to pick on
Thu Apr 6, 2017, 07:04 PM
Apr 2017

poor innocent Putin

wishstar

(5,271 posts)
2. Here are two more paragraphs from this new article
Thu Apr 6, 2017, 07:04 PM
Apr 2017

WASHINGTON — The C.I.A. told senior lawmakers in classified briefings last summer that it had information indicating that Russia was working to help elect Donald J. Trump president, a finding that did not emerge publicly until after Mr. Trump’s victory months later, former government officials say.

The briefings indicate that intelligence officials had evidence of Russia’s intentions to help Mr. Trump much earlier in the presidential campaign than previously thought. The briefings also reveal a critical split last summer between the C.I.A. and counterparts at the F.B.I., where a number of senior officials continued to believe through last fall that Russia’s cyberattacks were aimed only at disrupting America’s political system, and not at getting Mr. Trump elected, according to interviews.



McCamy Taylor

(19,240 posts)
3. Important part
Thu Apr 6, 2017, 07:05 PM
Apr 2017
These new details show Congress and the intelligence agencies racing in the final weeks of the campaign to understand the scope of the Russian threat. But Democrats and Republicans who were privy to the classified briefings often saw the intelligence through a political prism, sparring over whether it could be construed as showing that the Russians were helping Mr. Trump.

The briefings left Mr. Reid particularly frustrated with the F.B.I.’s handling of Russia’s election intrusion, especially after the agency said in late October — 11 days before the election — that it was re-examining Mrs. Clinton’s emails.

Mr. Reid fired off another letter on Oct. 30, accusing Mr. Comey of a “double standard” in reviving the Clinton investigation while sitting on “explosive information” about possible ties between Russia and Mr. Trump.

“The public,” Mr. Reid wrote said, “has a right to know this information.”

Dustlawyer

(10,497 posts)
27. They sanctioned it.
Thu Apr 6, 2017, 10:39 PM
Apr 2017

Not that they will, but they should be investigated for conspiracy, collusion, and obstruction of justice. They let a hostile foreign government influence our elections and sat and watched it unfold, nothing said.

global1

(25,263 posts)
7. Didn't McConnell Stonewall On Hearing This Too?....
Thu Apr 6, 2017, 07:32 PM
Apr 2017

I'm thinking the Repugs knew well in advance that the Russians were favoring Trump. That's why they iced out Garland. They knew they would be able to place their boy in after the election.

Invoking the nuclear option was a given. They were planning for a SCOTUS appointment all along and had too much invested in the process to let the Dems stop them. They had to go nuclear.

McConnell, in my opinion, was in on this and he had too much at stake not to get this appointment.

The Repugs need to be taught a lesson in 2018 & 2020.

wishstar

(5,271 posts)
10. McConnell didnt even want to warn state elections officials- "he resisted" according to the article
Thu Apr 6, 2017, 08:03 PM
Apr 2017

"In the briefings, the C.I.A. said there was intelligence indicating not only that the Russians were trying to get Mr. Trump elected but that they had gained computer access to multiple state and local election boards in the United States since 2014, officials said.

Although the breached systems were not involved in actual vote-tallying operations, Obama administration officials proposed that the eight senior lawmakers write a letter to state election officials warning them of the possible threat posed by Russian hacking, officials said.

But Senator Mitch McConnell of Kentucky, the Republican majority leader, resisted, questioning the underpinnings of the intelligence, according to officials with knowledge of the discussions. Mr. McConnell ultimately agreed to a softer version of the letter, which did not mention the Russians but warned of unnamed “malefactors” who might seek to disrupt the elections through online intrusion. The letter, dated Sept. 28, was signed by Mr. McConnell, Mr. Reid, Speaker Paul D. Ryan and Representative Nancy Pelosi, the ranking Democrat.

On Sept. 22, two other members of the Gang of Eight — Senator Dianne Feinstein and Representative Adam B. Schiff, both of California and the ranking Democrats on the Senate and House intelligence committees — released their own statement about the Russian interference that did not mention Mr. Trump or his campaign by name.
But they did say that “based on briefings we have received, we have concluded that the Russian intelligence agencies are making a serious and concerted effort to influence the U.S. election.”



Amaryllis

(9,525 posts)
15. I have thought that for months; that they stonewalled Garland becasue they knew they had the
Thu Apr 6, 2017, 09:24 PM
Apr 2017

election in the bag. REmember it wasn't just the Russians. It was Interstate Crosscheck which took hundreds of thousands off the voter reg databases, and all the usual pub voter suppression stuff. THis needs to be remedied if Dems are to win in upcoming elections.

Amaryllis

(9,525 posts)
17. yes, but that was minor compared to getting the executive, house, senate and SCOTUS.
Thu Apr 6, 2017, 09:32 PM
Apr 2017

Downline races were impacted as well as president.

Delphinus

(11,840 posts)
12. And that needs
Thu Apr 6, 2017, 08:26 PM
Apr 2017

to be spread far and wide - explaining to everyone *WHY* this is important! (Shouldn't have to explain, but ... )

 

elmac

(4,642 posts)
11. generally, the FBI & CIA have been strong arms for the military industrial complex
Thu Apr 6, 2017, 08:07 PM
Apr 2017

and the corporate elites. The last thing they want is a progressive president. Enough said.

 

Fast Walker 52

(7,723 posts)
21. that may have been part of it but I don't think that was their main thinking
Thu Apr 6, 2017, 09:54 PM
Apr 2017

Hillary was hardly a peacenik that would eschew the MIC

Amaryllis

(9,525 posts)
18. There was that Newsweek report last week that Comey wanted to go to the NYT last summer
Thu Apr 6, 2017, 09:35 PM
Apr 2017

and it seemed the Obama admin stopped him.

 

JTFrog

(14,274 posts)
25. I call bullshit from anonymous sources. Fucking bullshit.
Thu Apr 6, 2017, 10:20 PM
Apr 2017

He is up to his fucking eyeballs in complicity. And he's a fucking traitor who threw the election to Russia and Trump with his fucking bullshit on Hillary.


FUCK COMEY AND ANYONE WHO EVEN LOOKS LIKE HIM!



wishstar

(5,271 posts)
20. FBI officials misled NY Times earlier to be dismissive of notion that Russians were helping Trump
Thu Apr 6, 2017, 09:50 PM
Apr 2017

These same NYTimes writers wrote that article before election debunking Trump Campaign/Russia connections based on info from FBI officials. This new article published today says that CIA head Brennan most definitely had intelligence indicating it was very clear Russia was helping Trump and that Trump advisors might be working with Russians

https://www.nytimes.com/2016/11/01/us/politics/fbi-russia-election-donald-trump.html

"Law enforcement officials say that none of the investigations so far have found any conclusive or direct link between Mr. Trump and the Russian government. And even the hacking into Democratic emails, F.B.I. and intelligence officials now believe, was aimed at disrupting the presidential election rather than electing Mr. Trump"

New article is clear that CIA Brennan thought Russians were trying to help Trump and Trump advisors may have been working with Russians, while FBI was downplaying those assessments. When this article was printed the week before election, it helped Trump by quashing the impact and momentum of the Trump/Russia revelations.

 

JTFrog

(14,274 posts)
24. Fuck yes. And I better not hear another fucking word from Comey defenders here.
Thu Apr 6, 2017, 10:19 PM
Apr 2017

I swear to fuck all I'm pissed.

 

JTFrog

(14,274 posts)
23. One more motherfucker tries to tell me that Comey was being a stand up guy they can kiss my ass.
Thu Apr 6, 2017, 10:17 PM
Apr 2017

So fucking over this bullshit. He needs to rot in jail with the rest of them.

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