Im Not There at This Point: Sanders Isnt Ready to Jump on the Trump Impeachment Wagon Yet
Source: Mediaite
This evening, CNN scheduled a town hall debate between Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-VT) and Republican Ohio Governor John Kasich. Of course, when they scheduled the thing, the news cycle hadnt been hit by the one-two punch of President Donald Trumps classified info sharing with the Russians and the report that Trump asked then-FBI Director James Comey to stop the investigation of ex-National Security Advisor Michael Flynn.
So, obviously, the two former presidential candidates were asked the big question that has now bubbled up to the surface is there sufficient grounds for impeachment?
I dont think were there, Kasich answered. I dont think we know exactly what happened. The Russian investigation is very, very important.
And Sanders pretty much agreed with his conservative stagemate. While acknowledging that there a lot of questions surrounding Russian interference in the election, he doesnt think it has risen to impeachment just yet.
Read more: http://www.mediaite.com/online/im-not-there-at-this-point-sanders-isnt-ready-to-jump-on-the-trump-impeachment-wagon-yet/
Based on the reaction to Leader Pelosi's comments yesterday, I assume this warrants a Primary challenge?
murielm99
(30,741 posts)Frances
(8,545 posts)Did Sanders know that Comey wrote a memo saying Trump asked him to end Flynn probe?
Both CNN and MNBC make it sound as though impeachment could happen.
Tiggeroshii
(11,088 posts)And every newspaper is going crazy about all of it. Nuts.
pnwmom
(108,978 posts)Any criticism by the Dems, no matter how justified, will be viewed as politicizing. Bernie shouldn't be giving the Rethugs cover for complaints about the Dems.
grantcart
(53,061 posts)Kahuna7
(2,531 posts)ehrnst
(32,640 posts)grantcart
(53,061 posts)Ok now I am.
See that wasn't hard.
orleans
(34,051 posts)mpcamb
(2,870 posts)in congress and a bigger majority among the populace in general.
It pains me to say 'wait', but it might be prudent.
What should happen NOW is a lot of subpeonas and indictments and court cases. This is going to end with a legal process, so get that rolling asap and in as many ways as we can.
still_one
(92,190 posts)characterized it as saying she said "impeachment was off the table
That wasn't what she said, but that didn't stop the Pelosi haters.
WinkyDink
(51,311 posts)Cha
(297,232 posts)JI7
(89,249 posts)Cha
(297,232 posts)Bookmarked it.
Cha
(297,232 posts)that's not good enough.. and yet they're crickets on this OP about BS saying even less.
orleans
(34,051 posts)maybe i'm too quick to jump on that impeachment bandwagon
Sunlei
(22,651 posts)Kablooie
(18,634 posts)You don't want to start the impeachment process until you are 100% sure that enough members of Congress will join to make it successful.
Don't want to shoot your wad until you're fully loaded.
Some Republicans are beginning to sound like they may be softening but we want a full tsunami and that may take more proof.
WinkyDink
(51,311 posts)HopeAgain
(4,407 posts)Democrats know a misfire could be disastrous.
Impeachment is a legal process and the process is there for a reason.
Patience, and let's let them do it right.
QC
(26,371 posts)and I'm thinking we must be a dying breed, remember how the Republicans blew it by being too eager, by making it too obvious that they wanted the man out and would do anything to get that.
They actually made Clinton more popular. His approval rating on the day he was impeached was well into the 60's.
cstanleytech
(26,291 posts)of someone being able to escape justice and I am not talking about Trump but rather someone in his cabinet and or someone maybe even in Congress.
burrowowl
(17,641 posts)a through investigation must be made so that other heads will roll along with drump and immediate impeachment may cut this short.
Cha
(297,232 posts)susanna
(5,231 posts)I like Bernie, I truly do.
But at this point I'd say he's not helping himself, nor the country, with this sort of ambiguousness. Pick a side. We're there.
Cha
(297,232 posts)ananda
(28,860 posts)45 really does need to be arrested and tried for both treason
and ties to organized crime, particularly money laundering.
oberliner
(58,724 posts)Not happening with Republicans in charge of Congress.
Maven
(10,533 posts)Who else can Bernie debate on TV to advance the important cause of Bernie?
bucolic_frolic
(43,161 posts)WinkyDink
(51,311 posts)Demit
(11,238 posts)Unless you haven't decided yet if that's the train that will take you where you want to go.
WinkyDink
(51,311 posts)Bernie. Yeah, well.
underthematrix
(5,811 posts)Renew Deal
(81,859 posts)They don't want it to look like a political witchhunt. And what's more important is finding a bunch of republicans that are publicly on board. It will never get serious until then.
njhoneybadger
(3,910 posts)Littlered9560
(72 posts)He is still looking forward to working with him.
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Tom Rinaldo
(22,912 posts)That is exactly how most elected Democrats in national office should position themselves. Timing is everything. This is all about the integrity of our democracy but the battlefield we fight on is overtly political.
The best, hell the only, defense the Republicans can mount for Trump is that Democrats are playing partisan politics, and are out to destroy Trump by any and all means regardless of his actual behavior in office. Their rallying cry in "Partisan Witch Hunt" Their most effective argument is that Democrats have a conclusion in search of a justification for it.
Because Congress is constitutionally called to potentially sit in judgement of a President, members have to show a little of what could be called "judicial restraint". We of course don't. A few Democratic members of Congress who are not known as national party leaders can and should be the first to introduce the premise of Impeachment into the political discourse. High profile Democrats at this stage should be (and are) demanding full non partisan aggressive investigation of the Trump Administration. When that pot starts sufficiently boiling over they can move on to demanding the start of an impeachment process.
Things are moving fast, true, that may happen sooner than we expect. But there is a political contradiction at the heart of simultaneously demanding that a Special Prosecutor head up an investigation, and calling for impeachment before that person is even appointed.
DownriverDem
(6,228 posts)It took 2 years for Nixon to go down. The longer it takes means that the repubs won't pass their horrible agenda. This mess needs to be kept in front of the American people. 2018 is not that far away. Keeping trump front and center can only be good for the Dems.
Nitram
(22,801 posts)DownriverDem
(6,228 posts)If pence doesn't go down we end up with a radical religious RWNJ repub.
JTFrog
(14,274 posts)What an interesting thread.
Revolution my ass.
Sunlei
(22,651 posts)Honeycombe8
(37,648 posts)not to appear to be going after the proverbial witch hunt, and to base decisions on facts and evidence.
We out here in the public are different. We can see what's what and judge accordingly. But for any investigation to be credible, it has to be approached impartially, so the finding will be legitimate in people's minds (although Trumpers will NEVER accept that their king is flawed).
For instance, Trump loves to say that the Dems are behind this "fake" Russian investigation, just sore losers. But the investigation was going on long before the rank and file of Democrats even knew about the investigation. It also started quite by accident, because the investigation into the cyberhacking turned up all those communications with the Trump team. The W.H. may have known about the investigation (although may not have), but the rank and file Dems in the Senate and House and across the nation did not.
Trump will portray it as a witch hunt. It needs to be like a court case...both sides come to the table with evidence, and things are decided based on that alone.
But for the record, I think the public isn't stupid. We know Trump is corrupt, obstructed justice when dealing with Comey and then firing him, and has been a traitor for all intents and purposes in his dealings and communications with Russia.
0rganism
(23,954 posts)from a purely political perspective, i think Democrats might well try to stall the process so the hype peaks in summer 2018
make sure the shit congressional Republicans are wearing is fresh and runny just in time for the elections
of course, there are other considerations as well, such as national security...