GAY PRIDE MARCHERS WITH JEWISH FLAGS TOLD TO LEAVE CHICAGO PARADE
Source: Newsweek
Jewish people celebrating LGBT Pride in Chicago were told not to display Star of David flags because other people found them offensive.
The Jewish Star of David flag was banned from the citys annual Dyke March celebrations, and several people carrying the flag were removed form the march because their presence made people feel unsafe, LGBT paper Windy City Times reported.
Read more: http://www.newsweek.com/gay-pride-marchers-jewish-flags-told-leave-chicago-parade-628879
This is the height of irony. Israel allows complete freedom for gays. In the areas Hamas and the PLA control, Gaza and the West Bank, gays are imprisoned or worse.
yuiyoshida
(41,831 posts)from what? A flag with a sharp ended stick?
Jake Stern
(3,145 posts)They're free to show their solidarity and stage a Dyke March parade in Ramallah. Don't think it'll get very far but they're more than welcome to have at it.
MosheFeingold
(3,051 posts)That simply being homosexual results in the death penalty in the PA.
cabot
(724 posts)Let's see how many rights they'd have in Palestine. And please do not tell me this is anti-Zionism; it is pure anti-semitism.
nycbos
(6,034 posts)Hassin Bin Sober
(26,330 posts)pablo_marmol
(2,375 posts)Which is one of the reasons 45 is in office.
JI7
(89,251 posts)left-of-center2012
(34,195 posts)What next, after excluding based on religion?
Color?
Ethnicity?
DavidDvorkin
(19,479 posts)The left is doing it to itself.
customerserviceguy
(25,183 posts)When the very symbol of a religion makes people uncomfortable, they may well be bigots. The Star of David is not just the symbol of the state of Israel, it has long been a symbol of the Jewish faith.
Behind the Aegis
(53,959 posts)I guaran-fucking-tee if they had tossed out Muslim pride flags because someone found them "offensive" or "triggered them", there would be all kinds of outrage and demands for the heads of all involved, but this incident proves, once again, it is "OK" to hate the Jews!
Here is the "offensive" flag:
Here is the not-yet called "trigger" flag of gay Muslims:
THE HORRORS!!
Both flags are BEAUTIFUL!!
SpankMe
(2,957 posts)I am so strongly pro-LGBT that I'm gayer than gay. I was disappointed to see controversy about the LGBT flag in Chicago with the added brown and black stripe representing black and Latino diversity. It was a good idea that brings visibility to an important issue.
The Jewish and Arabic themes flags displayed above are awesome-looking. They should have been permitted even though the organizers were trying to make a statement about the treatment of gays in Palestine.
People need to be sensitive to diversity and display and live it as much as possible and stop being so "purist" about the flag and the movement. At the same time, those of us on the pro-diversity side need to not react so explosively when people push back against these augmented flags. We can insist on their inclusion. But, we shouldn't be treating the "traditional" side like a bunch of Klansmen.
I've been deeply involved in the gay community in Los Angeles (West Hollywood) for over 30 years. And, yes, there is a distinct "whiteness" endemic to the movement. I see discrimination and very subtle anti- dark-skinned "body language" in the day to day goings on in the WeHo milieu.
We need to keep the discussion going and tamp down the animosity.
Honeycombe8
(37,648 posts)It would be different if they requested no other flags than accepted gay pride flags, or no religious-toned flags. But to single out Jewish flags is so openly anti-Semitic.
OTOH, I'm not understanding why people would take their religious flags to a gay parade.
In America, a Palestinian group can refuse to allow Jewish representation. But that's not exactly setting up a getting-along environment. That group missed an opportunity to set an example.
JI7
(89,251 posts)christx30
(6,241 posts)from marching in solidarity to you. Real winner there.
area51
(11,910 posts)JI7
(89,251 posts)melman
(7,681 posts)This is really fucked up. And their attempt to explain it away in their statement is pathetic.
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leftynyc
(26,060 posts)in the middle east where these same people wouldn't get killed for marching in this parade. Pro Palestinian? Let them try and march in Ramallah. a flag made them feel unsafe? Fucking assholes.
m-lekktor
(3,675 posts)I also read people at that same march objected to an American flag as well. The rignt wing blogs and news outlets are having a field day with this anyway so who knows what is actual fact or not.
snooper2
(30,151 posts)I'm sure that will work out great for them
leftynyc
(26,060 posts)I'm as far from right wing as they come and I want to tell them to grow the fuck up.
m-lekktor
(3,675 posts)leftynyc
(26,060 posts)the opposition doing something so self destructive. If the left insists on aligning themselves with hamas, just what do you think is going to happen?
m-lekktor
(3,675 posts)Everybody I know on the left on my social media has condemned it, even those one might consider "far left" . this is all anecdotal of course.
leftynyc
(26,060 posts)you were agreeing. I was talking to the "larger" left. Those I couldn't join an anti-war march for in 2002 and 2003 because of the answer morons. All we need to do is look at what such an alignment has done to the Labor party in Great Britain. I wouldn't have been able to vote for Labor in this last election - I would have sat it out because I don't vote for right wing parties either.
romanic
(2,841 posts)I said the same thing about BLM putting a Pride parade in Seattle to a halt. The right LOVES to see different groups among the left go after one another. They call it "the cannibalization of identity politics".
xor
(1,204 posts)right's hands. Like they have zero ability to see the bigger picture how it strategically plays out in the long-term. Not to mention their attitude comes off as being very similar to the "I got mine. Now fuck you." attitude that conservatives exhibit. It's not exactly the same, but it gives me the same feeling of annoyance when it comes to the short-sighted and narrow minded view of the world.
tenderfoot
(8,437 posts)eom
RKP5637
(67,111 posts)hexola
(4,835 posts)Whats that? - like a bunch of small flags wrapped in one big flag?
Bradical79
(4,490 posts)from a jewish group? It's pretty clear. Did you read the article?
lunasun
(21,646 posts)Last edited Mon Jun 26, 2017, 07:00 PM - Edit history (1)
signs so maybe the flags were seen as an opposition to a free Palestinian state and supporting Israel's stance on that
also it was not the general big parade on halstead that this happened at, so a small number of people made that decision .
https://www.facebook.com/btgnccollective/photos/a.305199303272616.1073741830.144308416028373/305199339939279/?type=3&theater
also regarding parade disruptions and it s purpose here is story of what was going on in Chicago
https://www.dnainfo.com/chicago/20170626/boystown/pride-parade-protest-shuts-down-trans-liberation-collective-lgbtq
Edit to add I am not Palestinian , ME
Or Jewish . Just adding why they may have made that decision , who was present and once again this was not the big parade in Chicago
leftynyc
(26,060 posts)that if you're marching with a Free Palestine banner, you MUST be aligning yourself with hamas - a terrorist organization. Because that makes as much sense as banning the Israeli flag because you don't like bibi. The sad REALITY is that openly gay people's lives are in danger in Palestine whereas Israel has pride parades every single year.
Behind the Aegis
(53,959 posts)Of course, we know it will flop, because it will be labeled "bigotry". Isn't it amazing the intellectualization which takes place by some to "justify" anti-Semitism?!
leftynyc
(26,060 posts)for decades and I'm sick and tired of their stupidity. NO difference between the far left and far right when it comes to Jews. The only difference is the far right hates Muslims also while the far left plays footsie with the anti semites in the Muslim community.
Behind the Aegis
(53,959 posts)If one thinks (or tries to justify) that the mere display of the Star of David is a "trigger", then it is an example of anti-Semitism.
This flag is not an "opposition" to anything, it is the INCLUSION of Jewish people.
The pride parades are supposed to be about the GAY community, not pet political projects.
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)People who are 'triggered' by the Star of David have had a pretty miserable run in the history books.
And I say this as someone who really, really doesn't like the state of Israel
apnu
(8,758 posts)This happened at the Dyke March, which is not the main Pride Parade that Chicago hosts.
That's not to take away from how wrong and unacceptable the Dyke March's decision was. But I wanted to point out this headline and many others I've seen have unclear and confusing headlines suggesting this happened at the main Pride Parade.
Frigging journalism in this country sucks.
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)Bradical79
(4,490 posts)Making a pro-LGBTQ parade about supporting an anti-LGBTQ nation against a pro-LGBTQ country seems like a good way to pigeonhole your group and take away from your main focus. There's too many complications here concerning human rights of various groups in relation to the Israel Palestine conflict to graft it onto a celebration of who you are.
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)achieving a more just world.
BigDemVoter
(4,150 posts)put Skokie, IL on the map?
For the young ones around DU, there was a big American Nazi/KKK march in Skokie, IL (home to many Holocaust survivors) in the 1970s.
bench scientist
(1,107 posts)Coventina
(27,121 posts)romanic
(2,841 posts)It seems even some in the lgbt community want to put oppressive regimes (Hamas) over their own interests as to not to offend.
MosheFeingold
(3,051 posts)I hate Illinois Nazis, even gay ones.
rollin74
(1,976 posts)they can fuck off!
orleans
(34,056 posts)near the end of the article is the "full dyke march statement"
http://www.windycitymediagroup.com/lgbt/More-than-1500-at-Dyke-March-in-Little-Village-Jewish-Pride-flags-banned-UPDATED-June-25-/59621.html