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former9thward

(32,019 posts)
Sun Jun 25, 2017, 10:53 PM Jun 2017

GAY PRIDE MARCHERS WITH JEWISH FLAGS TOLD TO LEAVE CHICAGO PARADE

Source: Newsweek

Jewish people celebrating LGBT Pride in Chicago were told not to display Star of David flags because other people found them ‘offensive.’

The Jewish Star of David flag was banned from the city’s annual Dyke March celebrations, and several people carrying the flag were removed form the march because their presence “made people feel unsafe,” LGBT paper Windy City Times reported.

Read more: http://www.newsweek.com/gay-pride-marchers-jewish-flags-told-leave-chicago-parade-628879



This is the height of irony. Israel allows complete freedom for gays. In the areas Hamas and the PLA control, Gaza and the West Bank, gays are imprisoned or worse.
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GAY PRIDE MARCHERS WITH JEWISH FLAGS TOLD TO LEAVE CHICAGO PARADE (Original Post) former9thward Jun 2017 OP
"made people feel unsafe", yuiyoshida Jun 2017 #1
Rich isn't it? Organizers said the parade was "Pro-Palestinian" Jake Stern Jun 2017 #2
+1 nycbos Jun 2017 #6
I wonder if they know MosheFeingold Jun 2017 #49
Pathetic cabot Jun 2017 #3
Yup absolutely nycbos Jun 2017 #7
Just an FYI. This wasn't the Pride Parade. It was The "Dyke March" Hassin Bin Sober Jun 2017 #4
Political correctness run amok. pablo_marmol Jun 2017 #5
it's not political correctness. it's anti semitism JI7 Jun 2017 #17
THANK YOU nycbos Jun 2017 #24
Who made this decision? left-of-center2012 Jun 2017 #8
Divide and conquer DavidDvorkin Jun 2017 #9
Exactly customerserviceguy Jun 2017 #10
If someone found the flag "offensive" then they are BIGOTS and I don't care if they are gay! Behind the Aegis Jun 2017 #11
The LGBT community is suffering some diversity and inclusion problems right now SpankMe Jun 2017 #30
Sounds like anti-Semitism to me. So I guess that group is truly Palestinian and not American. Honeycombe8 Jun 2017 #12
because gay pride would include people from all types of backgrounds. JI7 Jun 2017 #16
Great idea to exclude certain people christx30 Jun 2017 #13
Wtf? area51 Jun 2017 #14
this is fucked up JI7 Jun 2017 #15
Assholes melman Jun 2017 #18
This message was self-deleted by its author SecularMotion Jun 2017 #19
Meanwhile Israel is the ONLY country leftynyc Jun 2017 #20
I read one piece on this situation which claimed the Star of David is "triggering" for some! m-lekktor Jun 2017 #21
Maybe they should get a one-way ticket to their "safe space" in Ramallah snooper2 Jun 2017 #25
As they should leftynyc Jun 2017 #26
I agree, it's just the right wingers seem to be gleeful it happened. nt m-lekktor Jun 2017 #27
So would I if I saw leftynyc Jun 2017 #28
I am not disagreeing with you on any of this! m-lekktor Jun 2017 #31
Sorry - I wasn't implying leftynyc Jun 2017 #32
Totally agree. romanic Jun 2017 #47
It amazes how some people don't realize their illogicality and irrationality play directly into the xor Jun 2017 #34
I think it's bullshit tenderfoot Jun 2017 #46
FFS!!!!! n/t RKP5637 Jun 2017 #22
Whats a "Jewish Flag"? hexola Jun 2017 #23
A flag with a common Jewish symbol Bradical79 Jun 2017 #39
I will just say that Palestine is still not a free state &people were marching with Free Palestine lunasun Jun 2017 #29
So if I made the implication leftynyc Jun 2017 #33
Perhaps that is the route gay Jewish activists should take and see how it is handled. Behind the Aegis Jun 2017 #37
This has been a problem with the far left leftynyc Jun 2017 #38
It is anti-Semitism, plain and simple. Behind the Aegis Jun 2017 #36
still anti-Semitism, with a thin veneer of self-righteous snowflakism. geek tragedy Jun 2017 #43
So everybody knows, this happened at a side parade, not the main Pride Parade apnu Jun 2017 #35
"We believe in intersectionality (just not for Jews)." Nutjobs nt geek tragedy Jun 2017 #40
What a bizarre thing for an LGBT parade Bradical79 Jun 2017 #41
for some, protesting and activism are more about virtue-signaling than about geek tragedy Jun 2017 #42
Hmmm. I wonder if some of those who didn't like the Jewish flag" were the same ones who BigDemVoter Jun 2017 #44
I hate Illinois Nazis. bench scientist Jun 2017 #51
I just have to add another "WTF?" to the pile already here. Coventina Jun 2017 #45
Anti-semtisim dressed as virtuous "solidarity". romanic Jun 2017 #48
Where's Jake and Ellwood when you need them? MosheFeingold Jun 2017 #50
anti-Semitic pieces of shit rollin74 Jun 2017 #52
here is a longer piece on this from windy city times orleans Jun 2017 #53
this years "theme" of parade was "current plight of Palestinian people"? Sunlei Jun 2017 #54

Jake Stern

(3,145 posts)
2. Rich isn't it? Organizers said the parade was "Pro-Palestinian"
Sun Jun 25, 2017, 10:57 PM
Jun 2017

They're free to show their solidarity and stage a Dyke March parade in Ramallah. Don't think it'll get very far but they're more than welcome to have at it.

cabot

(724 posts)
3. Pathetic
Sun Jun 25, 2017, 11:02 PM
Jun 2017

Let's see how many rights they'd have in Palestine. And please do not tell me this is anti-Zionism; it is pure anti-semitism.

customerserviceguy

(25,183 posts)
10. Exactly
Sun Jun 25, 2017, 11:40 PM
Jun 2017

When the very symbol of a religion makes people uncomfortable, they may well be bigots. The Star of David is not just the symbol of the state of Israel, it has long been a symbol of the Jewish faith.

Behind the Aegis

(53,959 posts)
11. If someone found the flag "offensive" then they are BIGOTS and I don't care if they are gay!
Mon Jun 26, 2017, 12:37 AM
Jun 2017

I guaran-fucking-tee if they had tossed out Muslim pride flags because someone found them "offensive" or "triggered them", there would be all kinds of outrage and demands for the heads of all involved, but this incident proves, once again, it is "OK" to hate the Jews!

Here is the "offensive" flag:



Here is the not-yet called "trigger" flag of gay Muslims:



THE HORRORS!!

Both flags are BEAUTIFUL!!

SpankMe

(2,957 posts)
30. The LGBT community is suffering some diversity and inclusion problems right now
Mon Jun 26, 2017, 10:30 AM
Jun 2017

I am so strongly pro-LGBT that I'm gayer than gay. I was disappointed to see controversy about the LGBT flag in Chicago with the added brown and black stripe representing black and Latino diversity. It was a good idea that brings visibility to an important issue.

The Jewish and Arabic themes flags displayed above are awesome-looking. They should have been permitted even though the organizers were trying to make a statement about the treatment of gays in Palestine.

People need to be sensitive to diversity and display and live it as much as possible and stop being so "purist" about the flag and the movement. At the same time, those of us on the pro-diversity side need to not react so explosively when people push back against these augmented flags. We can insist on their inclusion. But, we shouldn't be treating the "traditional" side like a bunch of Klansmen.

I've been deeply involved in the gay community in Los Angeles (West Hollywood) for over 30 years. And, yes, there is a distinct "whiteness" endemic to the movement. I see discrimination and very subtle anti- dark-skinned "body language" in the day to day goings on in the WeHo milieu.

We need to keep the discussion going and tamp down the animosity.

Honeycombe8

(37,648 posts)
12. Sounds like anti-Semitism to me. So I guess that group is truly Palestinian and not American.
Mon Jun 26, 2017, 12:41 AM
Jun 2017

It would be different if they requested no other flags than accepted gay pride flags, or no religious-toned flags. But to single out Jewish flags is so openly anti-Semitic.

OTOH, I'm not understanding why people would take their religious flags to a gay parade.

In America, a Palestinian group can refuse to allow Jewish representation. But that's not exactly setting up a getting-along environment. That group missed an opportunity to set an example.

 

melman

(7,681 posts)
18. Assholes
Mon Jun 26, 2017, 05:52 AM
Jun 2017

This is really fucked up. And their attempt to explain it away in their statement is pathetic.

Response to former9thward (Original post)

 

leftynyc

(26,060 posts)
20. Meanwhile Israel is the ONLY country
Mon Jun 26, 2017, 07:46 AM
Jun 2017

in the middle east where these same people wouldn't get killed for marching in this parade. Pro Palestinian? Let them try and march in Ramallah. a flag made them feel unsafe? Fucking assholes.

m-lekktor

(3,675 posts)
21. I read one piece on this situation which claimed the Star of David is "triggering" for some!
Mon Jun 26, 2017, 08:04 AM
Jun 2017

I also read people at that same march objected to an American flag as well. The rignt wing blogs and news outlets are having a field day with this anyway so who knows what is actual fact or not.

 

snooper2

(30,151 posts)
25. Maybe they should get a one-way ticket to their "safe space" in Ramallah
Mon Jun 26, 2017, 10:00 AM
Jun 2017

I'm sure that will work out great for them

 

leftynyc

(26,060 posts)
26. As they should
Mon Jun 26, 2017, 10:03 AM
Jun 2017

I'm as far from right wing as they come and I want to tell them to grow the fuck up.

 

leftynyc

(26,060 posts)
28. So would I if I saw
Mon Jun 26, 2017, 10:19 AM
Jun 2017

the opposition doing something so self destructive. If the left insists on aligning themselves with hamas, just what do you think is going to happen?

m-lekktor

(3,675 posts)
31. I am not disagreeing with you on any of this!
Mon Jun 26, 2017, 10:36 AM
Jun 2017

Everybody I know on the left on my social media has condemned it, even those one might consider "far left" . this is all anecdotal of course.

 

leftynyc

(26,060 posts)
32. Sorry - I wasn't implying
Mon Jun 26, 2017, 10:43 AM
Jun 2017

you were agreeing. I was talking to the "larger" left. Those I couldn't join an anti-war march for in 2002 and 2003 because of the answer morons. All we need to do is look at what such an alignment has done to the Labor party in Great Britain. I wouldn't have been able to vote for Labor in this last election - I would have sat it out because I don't vote for right wing parties either.

romanic

(2,841 posts)
47. Totally agree.
Mon Jun 26, 2017, 07:03 PM
Jun 2017

I said the same thing about BLM putting a Pride parade in Seattle to a halt. The right LOVES to see different groups among the left go after one another. They call it "the cannibalization of identity politics".

xor

(1,204 posts)
34. It amazes how some people don't realize their illogicality and irrationality play directly into the
Mon Jun 26, 2017, 11:26 AM
Jun 2017

right's hands. Like they have zero ability to see the bigger picture how it strategically plays out in the long-term. Not to mention their attitude comes off as being very similar to the "I got mine. Now fuck you." attitude that conservatives exhibit. It's not exactly the same, but it gives me the same feeling of annoyance when it comes to the short-sighted and narrow minded view of the world.

 

Bradical79

(4,490 posts)
39. A flag with a common Jewish symbol
Mon Jun 26, 2017, 01:16 PM
Jun 2017

from a jewish group? It's pretty clear. Did you read the article?

lunasun

(21,646 posts)
29. I will just say that Palestine is still not a free state &people were marching with Free Palestine
Mon Jun 26, 2017, 10:22 AM
Jun 2017

Last edited Mon Jun 26, 2017, 07:00 PM - Edit history (1)

signs so maybe the flags were seen as an opposition to a free Palestinian state and supporting Israel's stance on that
also it was not the general big parade on halstead that this happened at, so a small number of people made that decision .

https://www.facebook.com/btgnccollective/photos/a.305199303272616.1073741830.144308416028373/305199339939279/?type=3&theater

also regarding parade disruptions and it s purpose here is story of what was going on in Chicago
https://www.dnainfo.com/chicago/20170626/boystown/pride-parade-protest-shuts-down-trans-liberation-collective-lgbtq
Edit to add I am not Palestinian , ME
Or Jewish . Just adding why they may have made that decision , who was present and once again this was not the big parade in Chicago

 

leftynyc

(26,060 posts)
33. So if I made the implication
Mon Jun 26, 2017, 10:46 AM
Jun 2017

that if you're marching with a Free Palestine banner, you MUST be aligning yourself with hamas - a terrorist organization. Because that makes as much sense as banning the Israeli flag because you don't like bibi. The sad REALITY is that openly gay people's lives are in danger in Palestine whereas Israel has pride parades every single year.

Behind the Aegis

(53,959 posts)
37. Perhaps that is the route gay Jewish activists should take and see how it is handled.
Mon Jun 26, 2017, 12:52 PM
Jun 2017

Of course, we know it will flop, because it will be labeled "bigotry". Isn't it amazing the intellectualization which takes place by some to "justify" anti-Semitism?!

 

leftynyc

(26,060 posts)
38. This has been a problem with the far left
Mon Jun 26, 2017, 12:56 PM
Jun 2017

for decades and I'm sick and tired of their stupidity. NO difference between the far left and far right when it comes to Jews. The only difference is the far right hates Muslims also while the far left plays footsie with the anti semites in the Muslim community.

Behind the Aegis

(53,959 posts)
36. It is anti-Semitism, plain and simple.
Mon Jun 26, 2017, 12:46 PM
Jun 2017

If one thinks (or tries to justify) that the mere display of the Star of David is a "trigger", then it is an example of anti-Semitism.

This flag is not an "opposition" to anything, it is the INCLUSION of Jewish people.



The pride parades are supposed to be about the GAY community, not pet political projects.

 

geek tragedy

(68,868 posts)
43. still anti-Semitism, with a thin veneer of self-righteous snowflakism.
Mon Jun 26, 2017, 06:27 PM
Jun 2017

People who are 'triggered' by the Star of David have had a pretty miserable run in the history books.

And I say this as someone who really, really doesn't like the state of Israel

apnu

(8,758 posts)
35. So everybody knows, this happened at a side parade, not the main Pride Parade
Mon Jun 26, 2017, 12:14 PM
Jun 2017

This happened at the Dyke March, which is not the main Pride Parade that Chicago hosts.

That's not to take away from how wrong and unacceptable the Dyke March's decision was. But I wanted to point out this headline and many others I've seen have unclear and confusing headlines suggesting this happened at the main Pride Parade.

Frigging journalism in this country sucks.

 

Bradical79

(4,490 posts)
41. What a bizarre thing for an LGBT parade
Mon Jun 26, 2017, 01:28 PM
Jun 2017

Making a pro-LGBTQ parade about supporting an anti-LGBTQ nation against a pro-LGBTQ country seems like a good way to pigeonhole your group and take away from your main focus. There's too many complications here concerning human rights of various groups in relation to the Israel Palestine conflict to graft it onto a celebration of who you are.

 

geek tragedy

(68,868 posts)
42. for some, protesting and activism are more about virtue-signaling than about
Mon Jun 26, 2017, 06:26 PM
Jun 2017

achieving a more just world.

BigDemVoter

(4,150 posts)
44. Hmmm. I wonder if some of those who didn't like the Jewish flag" were the same ones who
Mon Jun 26, 2017, 06:34 PM
Jun 2017

put Skokie, IL on the map?

For the young ones around DU, there was a big American Nazi/KKK march in Skokie, IL (home to many Holocaust survivors) in the 1970s.

romanic

(2,841 posts)
48. Anti-semtisim dressed as virtuous "solidarity".
Mon Jun 26, 2017, 07:05 PM
Jun 2017

It seems even some in the lgbt community want to put oppressive regimes (Hamas) over their own interests as to not to offend.

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