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Equinox Moon

(6,344 posts)
Thu Jul 6, 2017, 08:52 PM Jul 2017

Mars covered in toxic chemicals that can wipe out living organisms, tests reveal

Source: Guardian

July 6, 2017
Discovery has major implications for hunt for alien life on the red planet as it means any evidence is likely to be buried deep underground.

The chances of anything coming from Mars have taken a downward turn with the finding that the surface of the red planet contains a “toxic cocktail” of chemicals that can wipe out living organisms.

Experiments with compounds found in the Martian soil show that they are turned into potent bactericides by the ultraviolet light that bathes the planet, effectively sterilising the upper layers of the dusty landscape.

The most hospitable environment may lie two or three metres beneath the surface where the soil and any organisms are shielded from intense radiation. “At those depths, it’s possible Martian life may survive,” said Jennifer Wadsworth, a postgraduate astrobiologist at Edinburgh University.

Read more: https://www.theguardian.com/science/2017/jul/06/mars-covered-in-toxic-chemicals-that-can-wipe-out-living-organisms-tests-reveal



Wow, this is a game-changer for all those wanting to visit or live on Mars.
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Mars covered in toxic chemicals that can wipe out living organisms, tests reveal (Original Post) Equinox Moon Jul 2017 OP
It sure debunks the "child labor camps on Mars" rumor still_one Jul 2017 #1
The true believers will say..it's just a scam to cover the child labor camps angstlessk Jul 2017 #3
Super Human Mutant Child Slave Laborers rpannier Jul 2017 #13
You don't think NASA would set up sarisataka Jul 2017 #16
Wow, you just fit all the pieces together still_one Jul 2017 #17
If anyone asks sarisataka Jul 2017 #18
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ still_one Jul 2017 #19
Lol. Nice pic. Calista241 Jul 2017 #25
Perhaps it might be a path on a new class of antibiotics still_one Jul 2017 #2
So Mars rocks are full of chlorine? LeftInTX Jul 2017 #4
Radiation, radioactive material, volatile chemicals Marthe48 Jul 2017 #5
We have marginal radiation around us all the time, including bed bath and beyond lol grantcart Jul 2017 #7
Damn, guessing that we will just have to work things out here. grantcart Jul 2017 #6
Makes you want to take care of the planet we're on modrepub Jul 2017 #8
Can we get a few yards of Mars topsoil and plant tRump in it? ProudLib72 Jul 2017 #9
There goes my vacation plans for 2050. Flaleftist Jul 2017 #10
Our bases will be underground. One of the reasons Elon Musk started harun Jul 2017 #11
Stephen Hawking can shuttie now. WinkyDink Jul 2017 #12
Lol! Beat me to it. B2G Jul 2017 #23
Love to quote "The King of Queens"! WinkyDink Jul 2017 #24
One of the best sitcoms ever! nt B2G Jul 2017 #28
Or... They've adapted so nothing can kill them. truthisfreedom Jul 2017 #14
How does one define "living organisms"? Yavin4 Jul 2017 #15
We need to stop thinking in earthling terms jmowreader Jul 2017 #20
Cool stuff! Equinox Moon Jul 2017 #21
Clean ur house with Martian dirt dembotoz Jul 2017 #22
Toxic to life from earth maybe, but I suspect nature is smart enough to work around toxicity. Calista241 Jul 2017 #26
Always. As for "perchlorates," turns out your're spot on. Hortensis Jul 2017 #27
Perhaps someone "won" a war on Mars MosheFeingold Jul 2017 #29
i wonder? bluestarone Jul 2017 #30

sarisataka

(18,729 posts)
16. You don't think NASA would set up
Fri Jul 7, 2017, 12:08 AM
Jul 2017

Child slave labor camps Mars without a way of preventing them from escaping now would you? Of course it's toxic out there otherwise the kids would get away...

sarisataka

(18,729 posts)
18. If anyone asks
Fri Jul 7, 2017, 12:18 AM
Jul 2017

I didn't show you this picture and we don't even know each other...

A picture like that can't be faked

Marthe48

(16,995 posts)
5. Radiation, radioactive material, volatile chemicals
Thu Jul 6, 2017, 09:42 PM
Jul 2017

We live on a planet that offers a toxic environment we don't think about. My friend once wondered how much radiation we have been exposed to by the time we are in their 30's. If toxic chemicals and other materials weren't naturally included in our environment, would carbon-based life ever die? On top of that, mankind has found ways to intensify what the planet already has. And even more, we are bathed in space radiation every single day. Critters from Earth would probably thrive on Mars

harun

(11,348 posts)
11. Our bases will be underground. One of the reasons Elon Musk started
Thu Jul 6, 2017, 10:29 PM
Jul 2017

his "Boring" Company, to start learning how to make tunnels.

Yavin4

(35,445 posts)
15. How does one define "living organisms"?
Thu Jul 6, 2017, 11:42 PM
Jul 2017

Are the living organisms on planet earth the lone definition of life?

jmowreader

(50,561 posts)
20. We need to stop thinking in earthling terms
Fri Jul 7, 2017, 02:12 AM
Jul 2017

"Life...will find a way."
--Ian Malcolm, "Jurassic Park"



Consider the sea anemone. One of the nastier pieces of work in the briny deep, the sea anemone has exactly one job: to fire venom-tipped darts at any passing fish small enough to fit in its mouth. The venom paralyzes its victim, enabling the sessile sea anemone to drag it to its doom.

Well...any victim but this one.



Clownfishes are absolutely immune to sea anemone venom, and use fields of sea anemones as a defensive tool - anything that might want to eat a clownfish has to get past the anemone first, which it can't do.

Or take this lovely little species of bacteria, Thermus aquaticus:



T. aquaticus thrives at 70 degrees Celsius and will survive at 80 degrees Celsius. (You, however, cannot.) This bacteria was discovered living in geyser reservoirs in Yellowstone National Park. Before it was discovered, scientists believed no living being could survive above 50 degrees C because one of the critical enzymes organisms need to survive quits working in most organisms at 50 degrees C. No one told T. aquaticus.

Here's my point. We simply do not know enough about life in the universe to rule out the possibility that perchlorate respiration exists. On earth, perchlorate salts are used as rocket oxidizers, and we have many species that die when exposed to oxygen. Why COULDN'T there be organisms on Mars that breathe perchlorate rather than oxygen?

Looking at it another way...given what perchlorate is used for on Earth, if we can find ammonia and aluminum on Mars, and mine enough perchlorate to meet the need, return spaceflight from Mars may be possible.

dembotoz

(16,812 posts)
22. Clean ur house with Martian dirt
Fri Jul 7, 2017, 11:17 AM
Jul 2017

No microbe can defeat our special space formula

Gentle on ur hands too

Until it kills ya

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
27. Always. As for "perchlorates," turns out your're spot on.
Fri Jul 7, 2017, 02:58 PM
Jul 2017

From space.com: "The pervading carpet of perchlorate chemicals found on Mars may boost the chances that microbial life exists on the Red Planet — but perchlorates are also perilous to the health of future crews destined to explore that way-off world.

Perchlorates are reactive chemicals first detected in arctic Martian soil by NASA's Phoenix lander that plopped down on Mars over five years ago in May 2008. ... Finding calcium perchlorate "was one of our most unexpected results," said Peter Smith, the Phoenix principal investigator at the University of Arizona in Tucson. ... "Perchlorate has become an important component of the soil … and half a percent is a fair amount," he said. Smith said microbes on Earth use perchlorate for an energy source. They actually live off highly oxidized chlorine, and in reducing the chlorine down to chloride, they use the energy in that transaction to power themselves. In fact, when there's too much perchlorate in drinking water, microbes are used to clean it up, he said."

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