Australian woman killed in police shooting in Minneapolis: UPDATE
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Source: The Age
BREAKING
July 17 2017 - 9:24AM
An Australian woman is believed to have been shot dead by police in the US city of Minneapolis.
The Star Tribune reported that police responded to reports of a possible assault about 11.30pm on Saturday, local time.
One police officer fired their weapon, killing the 40-year-old Australian woman, The Star Tribune reported.
Friends of the woman said she was an Australian native engaged to be married to a Minneapolis man.
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UPDATE:
Fireworks may have startled Justine Damond's killer, US police officer Mohamed Noor
July 19 2017 - 12:38PM
The US police officers involved in the killing of Australian woman Justine Damond were startled by a loud sound near their squad car before she was shot at close range.
Officer Mohamed Noor, who opened fire on Ms Damond near her Minneapolis home on Saturday, is refusing to be interviewed by authorities investigating the tragedy but his partner Matthew Harrity has given a graphic account of what happened.
In an interview with the Bureau of Criminal Apprehension, Officer Harrity described how the 40-year-old Australian woman, also known as Justine Ruszczyk, was gunned down.
Officer Harrity, who was driving, with Officer Noor in the passenger seat, told investigators he heard a loud sound immediately before Ms Damond approached the driver's side window of the squad car.
http://www.theage.com.au/nsw/justine-damonds-tragic-loss-in-us-prompts-malcolm-turnbull-to-demand-answers-20170718-gxdz6u.html
Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/world/australian-woman-killed-in-police-shooting-in-minneapolis-reports-20170716-gxchas.html
MBS
(9,688 posts)WTF?
exboyfil
(17,865 posts)and squad car camera did not capture the shooting.
lunasun
(21,646 posts)A man, claiming to be Zach, gave an interview to Women's March Minnesota on Sunday afternoon, saying the police were not being transparent about his mother's killing.
"My mom is dead because a police officer shot her for reasons I don't know, and I demand answers," he said.
"America sucks," he said.
Oneironaut
(5,524 posts)Let the evidence come out before instantly blaming the cops.
Randomthought
(837 posts)This happen FIVE blocks from my house. The alley is well lit. This is an up market neighborhood. My husband is currently at a community meeting at the site (too hot for my asthma to walk). The Minneapolis police have a very bad rep for shooting innocent victims and since there are no consequences at this time it will continue until we demand accountability.
Oneironaut
(5,524 posts)Imagine yourself on a jury for a random case against a police officer, and you had no evidence on what happened (like now). Do you really believe "tons of other cops shot people in that community" is good evidence? That's complete nonsense.
Randomthought
(837 posts)Past history is admissible
Randomthought
(837 posts)Minneapolis police have shot crime victims in the past. And she may have been trying to talk to the police officers. See other post.
Oneironaut
(5,524 posts)You cannot say for a fact that the police did anything wrong because there is no evidence pointing to that conclusion. The actions of previous police officers are irrelevant. That's the guilt by association fallacy.
Randomthought
(837 posts)I'm done with you. You refuse to face the facts in front of you. don't bother to respond I have put you on ignore ; a first for me. this is my neighborhood and you are very insensitive to say the least. Our entire community is hurting and you insist on being a police apologist in spite of the evidence in front of you
airmid
(500 posts)a friend in Australia and she said this is all over their news. Many are devastated and outraged there.
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)Regardless of who the perps are, there's a very strong presumption of criminal wrongdoing. This woman was not a threat.
Oneironaut
(5,524 posts)but I am personally withholding judgment for now. I think this story needs more information.
mwooldri
(10,303 posts)From the newspaper article:
"The officers' body cameras were not turned on at the time and the squad camera did not capture the incident," the BCA said in a statement.
"Investigators are attempting to determine whether any video of the incident exists."
So why were the officer's body cameras turned off?
I'm not jumping to any conclusions here. Police officer fired gun. Person dead. Those are facts. Body cameras turned off. Suspicious.
Oneironaut
(5,524 posts)Break time
(195 posts)Should be automatic dismissal...Period.
Wellstone ruled
(34,661 posts)thought they changed procedures of engagement months ago in order that cameras had to be on when ever there was a contact. Watch for ugly to begin.
gldstwmn
(4,575 posts)Dead women tell no tales...
Randomthought
(837 posts)As I said this is a very up market neighborhood, the mayor lives here. Many people have security cameras; not that they are needed but because they can afford them.
Also there are NINE security lights between this woman's home and where she was killed. That alley was lit up like a Christmas tree. So two cops are on paid vacation and an innocent woman ( Yoga instructor/ personal trainer) is dead.
I suspect that she was trying to flag down the squad car to talk with them and the cops were so cowardly they just opened fire.
LanternWaste
(37,748 posts)I fail to see how our own idle speculation and benign discussions are of any real consequence...
SergeStorms
(19,204 posts)what have they done now? When will this end?
My most sincere condolences to her family and friends. This is Trump America, and it has to stop.
MarcA
(2,195 posts)IronLionZion
(45,528 posts)What could she have possibly done that seemed dangerous?
Blue_Tires
(55,445 posts)unless there is some damn good reason why the cops had to fire... And since the cops haven't said anything, I'm thinking it's just another trigger happy fuckwit...
The other benefit of her being white is nobody is going to be digging up her entire criminal history dating back to juvenile, nobody is going to be researching if she grew up in a single-parent home, etc.
uriel1972
(4,261 posts)And I'm a white Australian.. There is little to no coverage of the regular shootings of people who commit the crime of being "Black in the USA", here.
I don't want to minimize the tragedy of this shooting, I just want to see justice done for the victims and their loved ones of all the other shootings. At least the press could mention them, but it might confuse the narrative they are trying to construct.
Rupert Murdoch... Australia's greatest crime against Humanity.
betsuni
(25,614 posts)This is going to be huge news in Australia.
dalton99a
(81,570 posts)SweetieD
(1,660 posts)to make our government take this policing issue seriously. Sorry if that sounds cynical. No other developed country in the world has police killing citizens at the rate we have here.
I don't believe that in every scenario officers had no other choice. Officers need to use lethal force as the last resort.
mercuryblues
(14,537 posts)My first thought was the police fucked up and found the perfect victim. White female. Australian citizen, with blonde hair.
bluestarone
(17,030 posts)not jump to conclusions???? you got to be kidding me!!! To top it off THEY offer no explanation! so SOMETHING STINKS IN MN
The Mouth
(3,164 posts)It's NEVER a bad shoot for some people
B2G
(9,766 posts)MPD Officer Who Shot Woman Identified As Mohamed Noor
July 17, 2017 11:04 AM
MINNEAPOLIS (WCCO) WCCO has just learned the name of the Minneapolis officer involved in the shooting as Mohammed Noor.
His attorney Tom Plunkett confirmed Noor fired his weapon, killing Justine Damond.
The shooting happened Saturday night near 51st Street and Washburn Avenue South around 11:30 p.m.
Sources said us Justine Damond initially made the 911 call and was speaking to police officers Saturday night. They were near the alley when the officer in the passenger seat reached across and shot her. A cell phone was found near Damonds body.
More at link...
http://minnesota.cbslocal.com/2017/07/17/mpd-officer-shot-woman-identified/
sarisataka
(18,770 posts)http://www.startribune.com/woman-killed-in-officer-involved-shooting-in-south-minneapolis/434782213/#1
oberliner
(58,724 posts)After an Australian woman was shot dead by police in Minneapolis, experts are questioning why the officers' body cameras were not turned on during the encounter.
Although Minneapolis police have not named the officers involved, NBC affiliate KARE quoted sources as identifying the officer who shot Damond as Mohammed Noor. Police sources also told KARE that Noor, who was in the squad car's passenger seat, aimed across his partner and out the window to fire at Damond.
But because the body cameras were not activated, the series of events is remained murky.
http://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/lack-cops-bodycam-video-minneapolis-shooting-astounds-experts-n783806
What the hell?
muriel_volestrangler
(101,361 posts)what happened, and both chose not to.
---snip---
The Minneapolis Police Departments Policy and Procedure manual says that any use of force requires the cameras activation. If things change quickly and the officer is too busy, he or she should activate the camera as soon as it is safe to do so, according to the manual.
The cameras constantly record a 30-second video buffer, a so-called lookback that allows officers to capture whatever happened in the half-minute before its activated.
http://www.startribune.com/failure-to-turn-on-body-cameras-flouted-minneapolis-police-policy/434991553/#1
Of course, once you've shot an innocent woman, you may be panicking. But they don't have the excuse of just "it escalated so quickly we couldn't record it". They have to admit incompetence.
oberliner
(58,724 posts)It is such a bizarre and tragic story.
muriel_volestrangler
(101,361 posts)and a woman comes up to them, the assumption would be she's the victim or person who phoned it in; or possibly a bystander. Dressed in pyjamas is not exactly threatening behaviour either. The officer would have to be paranoid to feel a threat from the situation.
LisaL
(44,974 posts)gun and killed her. The police have not even provided any reason as to why, to this day.
Old Vet
(2,001 posts)The coroner just classified it as a homicide. DUH, The only weapons were the ones the police had.
Sunlei
(22,651 posts)JustABozoOnThisBus
(23,364 posts)JustABozoOnThisBus
(23,364 posts)The driver was chatting with the woman, who was clearly unarmed standing in her pajamas, when his partner fired his gun, sending a bullet past the driver's ear and into the lady in her pajamas.
The shock of the gun blast, the shock of seeing someone shot, I can't imagine.
This story will go on for a while, considering all the international and cultural implications.
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LisaL
(44,974 posts)I really hope that guy comes forward.
Coventina
(27,172 posts)Unbelievable!!
oberliner
(58,724 posts)See Dylan Noble.
Coventina
(27,172 posts)So, he clearly had it coming.
(sarcasm)
kwassa
(23,340 posts)for shooting the blonde white woman.
Randomthought
(837 posts)I live 5 blocks from where this woman lived. Only one person on our neighborhood website mentioned ethnicity and that person was immediately called out by many others myself included.
kwassa
(23,340 posts)I am being quite cynical about how this story will be cast on national news.
This will get snatched out of local media hands to a larger dysfunctional news agenda.
It is one thing for police to shoot black people. Blonde white women in upscale suburbs is a whole different matter, particularly if shot by a Muslim. This plays into the malevolence.
Randomthought
(837 posts)The Minneapolis police department is full of thugs. We would never call them and many of our neighbors feel the same way (I was surprised to learn.). While we are not the suburbs we are in an up market area of Minneapolis. Personally I would like to see the DOJ called in as in the past BCA has whitewashed rather than investigated.
My own cynical comment to my husband was since the shooter was black and Muslim the police would throw him under the bus and say "See we can clean our own house."
Blue_Tires
(55,445 posts)was shown...
But aren't they howling for justice now, and smearing the mayor for handing him a piece of paper two years ago...
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Noodleboy13
(422 posts)There are several aspects to this particular shooting that are going to make it ...interesting.
The neighborhood is hardly a hotbed of shootings, much less violence. Most crime in Fulton is of the theft out of unlocked garages kind. The cops were not responding to a warzone.
That the body cameras were not activated is troubling. MPD just rolled them out, so they should be actively promoting their usage. Additionally, considering the city is a little on edge because of the Castillo shooting verdict (cop got off) that they should have been in full on cover your bases mode; their cameras should have been on when they were getting coffee.
This shooting also drastically alters from the unfortunately too familiar narrative of white cop shoots unarmed black teen. Media accounts are also going to have a field day with the Muslim angle. I put on a biosuit and waded over into the comments at Free Republic. Check it out, I dare ya.
It's far more complicated than that. Mpls boasts a huge and thriving Somali community, from which Mohammed Noor hails. The Somali community here is, to use a broad brush, very politically active and business minded. Mr Noor was, iirc, the first Somali officer on the MPD. To initial appearances, an immigrant success story.
Which brings me to some of my final thoughts. Noor had only been on the force for a short time, ditto his partner. They were both inexperienced.
Now I'm not a cop or a fire arms safety instructor, but I don't think firing ACROSS my partner is SOP.
Again, not a cop, but a woman in pajamas shouldn't amp one up to sudden lethal response levels.
just my 2 cents from mpls.
peace,
Noodleboy
kwassa
(23,340 posts)My wife and I did some serious house shopping in the twin cities area when she almost landed a major local job opportunity, so we have some familiarity. We covered a lot of territory.
Noodleboy13
(422 posts)Just southwest of Lake Harriet. Minnehaha creek runs nearby. It may even border Edina.
Beautiful Neighborhood, houses are a little pricey. One of my first girlfriends (mid 80's-wow i'm getting old) lived over there. I'm an Uptown/Wedge dude myself.
Peace,
Noodleboy