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DonViejo

(60,536 posts)
Mon Aug 21, 2017, 11:47 AM Aug 2017

Navy chief halts Pacific fleet operations, orders review after collisions

Source: The Hill




BY ELLEN MITCHELL - 08/21/17 11:41 AM EDT

The Navy will launch a review of recent accidents following the collision of the USS John S. McCain and an oil tanker in the Pacific Ocean, the second U.S. warship to be involved in such an incident this summer.

Adm. John Richardson, the chief of naval operations, will call for a temporary halt in operations for the Pacific-based 7th Fleet, the forces that operate around Japan.

“He has put together a broader inquiry to look into these incidents and to determine any of the causal factors to determine what’s going on,” Defense Secretary James Mattis told reporters while traveling in Amman, Jordan.

Richardson will announce the review in a video message on Monday, calling for an “operational pause” to take “a deeper look into how we train and certify forces operating in and around Japan,” the Washington Examiner reported.

Read more: http://thehill.com/policy/defense/347347-navy-chief-halts-pacific-fleet-operations-orders-review-after-collisions

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Navy chief halts Pacific fleet operations, orders review after collisions (Original Post) DonViejo Aug 2017 OP
Sounds like the right decision IronLionZion Aug 2017 #1
Yes it is the right decision atreides1 Aug 2017 #6
Trump is only commander and chief of the military. pwb Aug 2017 #15
Peace! IronLionZion Aug 2017 #16
Kick. dalton99a Aug 2017 #2
Thanks, trump! radical noodle Aug 2017 #3
More eclipse FAIL for the republican Draft-Dodger-in-Chief Achilleaze Aug 2017 #4
I think they need to figure out why the alarm on their radar is not working. LiberalArkie Aug 2017 #5
There was a report in June about faulty GPS readings. politicat Aug 2017 #7
There was a James Bond movie based on that premise a few years back. CentralMass Aug 2017 #8
For all that Bond films are mostly cotton candy... politicat Aug 2017 #9
Undwrstood. However it seems like a plausible concept. CentralMass Aug 2017 #11
The things that come to me are: Yonnie3 Aug 2017 #10
They have lost their situational awareness Puppyjive Aug 2017 #12
And How MUCH fucking $$ do we spend on our military? BigDemVoter Aug 2017 #13
Is the Navy still infected with Turbineguy Aug 2017 #14

IronLionZion

(45,442 posts)
1. Sounds like the right decision
Mon Aug 21, 2017, 11:50 AM
Aug 2017

they need to investigate what's happening and how to prevent collisions in these crowded shipping channels.

In the meantime, I hope our commander in chief doesn't do anything supremely stupid to require military action in the pacific theater at this time, like with North Korea.

atreides1

(16,079 posts)
6. Yes it is the right decision
Mon Aug 21, 2017, 01:01 PM
Aug 2017

It could be something as simple as fatigue or as bad as lapses in training!

pwb

(11,265 posts)
15. Trump is only commander and chief of the military.
Mon Aug 21, 2017, 08:23 PM
Aug 2017

Not the civilian population. He is president to you. The cable news call him that but they don't know any better or deliberately try to pump trump up. Sorry. This was meant for a post above you. Peace

Achilleaze

(15,543 posts)
4. More eclipse FAIL for the republican Draft-Dodger-in-Chief
Mon Aug 21, 2017, 12:26 PM
Aug 2017

freaking republican Chickenhawk liar & cheat as "Commander" for our sailors and soldiers? Deplorable

politicat

(9,808 posts)
7. There was a report in June about faulty GPS readings.
Mon Aug 21, 2017, 01:41 PM
Aug 2017

The white hat hack community published a vulnerability to certain GPS software a couple years ago that showed a proof of concept for GPS spoofing. White hats don't usually open publish before telling the relevant body, unless the relevant body seems to be ignoring the problem.

Whit hats have been worried about GPS spoofing for literally years.

politicat

(9,808 posts)
9. For all that Bond films are mostly cotton candy...
Mon Aug 21, 2017, 02:28 PM
Aug 2017

The tech in the modern version has tended to be in the realm of possibility. Not always.

Yonnie3

(17,441 posts)
10. The things that come to me are:
Mon Aug 21, 2017, 03:02 PM
Aug 2017

Morale
Teamwork (communication)
Adequate rest
Training and technical fitness
Maintenance and repair
Command (responsible for all the above)

In both the collisions the Navy has mentioned the well done efforts of the crew in damage control. Yet, other members of the crew appear to have not made satisfactory actions to avoid the collision.

What comes to mind, are the studies of airplane crashes that showed the air crew was not communicating strongly to the pilots. They made suggestions to the pilot instead of contradicting him. If the crew and officer communication is unidirectional in operational situations, rapid reactions to threats may not be happening. The shipboard culture may be part of the problem.

I have no information to lead me to believe that the culture or morale is the reason or even part of the reason for these collisions. I'm just suspicious. Didn't all the services feel it necessary to clarify tweets etc. from 45 recently?

BigDemVoter

(4,150 posts)
13. And How MUCH fucking $$ do we spend on our military?
Mon Aug 21, 2017, 05:21 PM
Aug 2017

And they can't keep from colliding with other ships in PEACETIME. . . . . WTF?

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