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PSPS

(13,598 posts)
Mon Aug 21, 2017, 12:00 PM Aug 2017

Ohio Judge Shot Outside Courthouse in Apparent Ambush-Style Attack

Source: NBC

An Ohio judge was shot in an apparent ambush-style attack on his way into a local courthouse on Monday morning, according to Jefferson County Sheriff’s Department and NBC News affiliate WTOV.

Around 8 a.m., Judge Joseph J. Bruzzese, Jr. was attacked by a suspect as he made his way into the Jefferson County Courthouse in Steubenville, City Manager James Mavromatis told reporters.

Bruzzese was walking through a narrow alley toward the courthouse when the shots were fired, Mavromatis said.

Read more: http://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/ohio-judge-shot-outside-courthouse-apparent-ambush-style-attack-n794501

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Ohio Judge Shot Outside Courthouse in Apparent Ambush-Style Attack (Original Post) PSPS Aug 2017 OP
The suspect's dead. The judge and a probation officer walking with the judge fired back. Julian Englis Aug 2017 #1
The judge was hit. murielm99 Aug 2017 #2
What % of judges carry FIRE ARMS ??? vkkv Aug 2017 #3
I can't find hard data sarisataka Aug 2017 #4
I bet a lot. Hassin Bin Sober Aug 2017 #5
I certainly would hack89 Aug 2017 #6
Interesting question hardluck Aug 2017 #8
Why is it a problem if judges carry firearms? christx30 Aug 2017 #17
Forget it Jake. Bantamfancier Aug 2017 #7
It's Steubenville. There's always something more under the surface. politicat Aug 2017 #9
A shooting of a judge is never Anything but bad but sounds like justifiable anger at work here. flying_wahini Aug 2017 #10
Shooter's kid was convicted of rape Bradical79 Aug 2017 #13
Apparently football players should be allowed to rape whomever they want, or else. jalan48 Aug 2017 #11
It was dad of a Stuebenville rapist Bradical79 Aug 2017 #12
Across the Ohio river from West Virginia NotASurfer Aug 2017 #14
LOOK..Not many are more justified, than I, in want or need laserhaas Aug 2017 #15
Judge was presiding over a wrongful-death lawsuit the attacker had filed muriel_volestrangler Aug 2017 #16

Julian Englis

(2,309 posts)
1. The suspect's dead. The judge and a probation officer walking with the judge fired back.
Mon Aug 21, 2017, 12:02 PM
Aug 2017

Last edited Mon Aug 21, 2017, 07:54 PM - Edit history (1)

"A subject shot at Bruzzese, who then returned fire with his own weapon. A probation officer, who was behind Bruzzese, also fired at the suspects. Jefferson County Sheriff Fred J. Abdalla said five shots were fired by the suspect and five shots were fired by Bruzzese. It's unclear how many shots the probation officer fired. "

murielm99

(30,741 posts)
2. The judge was hit.
Mon Aug 21, 2017, 12:21 PM
Aug 2017

He is in stable condition and was med-evaced to a nearby hospital.

Let's put our guns away. I am a gun owner saying this.

sarisataka

(18,655 posts)
4. I can't find hard data
Mon Aug 21, 2017, 03:47 PM
Aug 2017

But wouldn't be surprised it is over 50%. Apparently there is precedent that they can authorize themselves to carry

Hassin Bin Sober

(26,328 posts)
5. I bet a lot.
Mon Aug 21, 2017, 04:14 PM
Aug 2017

A buddy of mine was a judge and started carrying after some whakadoodle killed the husband of a judge and her 90 year old mother here in Chicago. The murderer was pissed over a medical malpractice case.

hardluck

(638 posts)
8. Interesting question
Mon Aug 21, 2017, 05:09 PM
Aug 2017

In California, there are approximately 1826 California judges/justices (not counting the Federal Courts). As of 2015, there were 316 concealed carry permits issued in California to judges. So we are talking about around 17%, maybe lower, if judge pro tems and Federal judges are included in those 316 permits.

christx30

(6,241 posts)
17. Why is it a problem if judges carry firearms?
Tue Aug 22, 2017, 05:31 PM
Aug 2017

They deal with terrible, violent people all day, every day. If someone's boyfriend, husband, father, whatever wants to kill them, they need to be able to defend themselves.
Some judges are self-important assholes, some are good public servants, doing a thankless job. None of them want to die because a rapist's dad has a beef.

politicat

(9,808 posts)
9. It's Steubenville. There's always something more under the surface.
Mon Aug 21, 2017, 05:30 PM
Aug 2017

It's a small town in the middle of nowhere, so it's easy to forget what a mess their legal/political system is.

But this came out during the rape case:
- This judge is brothers with the town's major attorney. They were law partners before the judge got elected.
- The partnership paid for the now district attorney to go to law school.
- The now district attorney is married to the chief of police.
- The now district attorney used to be the hospital administrator in charge of awarding contracts. - The then-administrator gave the partnership the contract for handling malpractice suits before they gave her money for law school. The partnership also handles malpractice suits on from the other side -- a distinct conflict of interest.
- The now district attorney is the mother of one of the men accused of rape and distribution of the video, and transporting a minor across state lines. It took her weeks to realize she had a conflict of interest and recuse.
- The partnership also got one of their associates into the Prosecutor's office through some less than ethical politics. The former associate then paid the partnership for "assistant prosecutor" jobs. (Which pay far better, at hourly rate, than an elected, career prosecutor.)
- Two of the partners are on the board of elections; the DA was on the school board (against OH law), and they've got marriage and business ties to all of the courts, the municipal board, school board and elections board.

The WHY of this shooting is going to be interesting.

flying_wahini

(6,594 posts)
10. A shooting of a judge is never Anything but bad but sounds like justifiable anger at work here.
Mon Aug 21, 2017, 05:36 PM
Aug 2017


And this is only based on the connections mentioned above.

NotASurfer

(2,150 posts)
14. Across the Ohio river from West Virginia
Mon Aug 21, 2017, 08:50 PM
Aug 2017

Also an hour south of former Rep Trafficant's old district. Not surprised judges carry guns, it's in a part of the state where shotguns are an integral part of some weddings. And divorces. And they're good with that.

 

laserhaas

(7,805 posts)
15. LOOK..Not many are more justified, than I, in want or need
Tue Aug 22, 2017, 06:49 AM
Aug 2017

to utilize my 2nd Amendment right, to correct manifest injustice - by a loud, forceful, dynamic.

My own attorney emailed me threats to "back off" or else; and then my daughter was abducted, my career destroyed and my life savings taken from my children.

My co-worker/ warrior against manifest injustice had to shoot/kill an assassin, after he was threatened; and he still wound up dead.

On top of that, federal prosecutors use FBI, still threatening me, instead of indicting Sachs & Bain Cap.

Judges laugh and say they dont care I'm "insubstantial"

But shooting one of them buries the cause and cases; and makes a martyr out of assholes.

Better that you cause them to shoot/ martyr you.

For you take out 1 asshole corrupt, there are dozens more, who are ready, willing, and able - to take their place.

Just sayin....

muriel_volestrangler

(101,316 posts)
16. Judge was presiding over a wrongful-death lawsuit the attacker had filed
Tue Aug 22, 2017, 01:30 PM
Aug 2017
Nathaniel Richmond shot Judge Joseph Bruzzese outside the Jefferson County Courthouse before Bruzzese returned fire. A probation officer shot and killed Richmond. Bruzzese was hospitalized.

Bruzzese was presiding over a pending wrongful-death civil case Richmond filed after his mother died in a house fire, and he was to preside over a hearing scheduled for next Monday. Police said Monday they are familiar with Richmond, who pleaded guilty to assault and attempted murder for a drive-by shooting in 2002. Richmond was sentenced to five years in prison, the Herald-Star reported.

Two weeks before Monday’s shooting, Richmond’s son Ma’lik was denied one year of football eligibility by Youngstown State University because of his high-school rape conviction in 2013. Prosecutor Jane Hanlin said Bruzzese had no role in Richmond’s rape case.

http://www.thedailybeast.com/steubenville-rapists-dad-shot-judge-two-weeks-after-son-was-bounced-from-college-football
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