SLCPD detective who arrested nurse had been disciplined for alleged sexual harassment and other viol
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Source: Salt Lake Tribune
The controversial arrest of a University Hospital nurse wasnt the first time Salt Lake City police Detective Jeff Payne had faced an internal investigation for violating department policies, newly released records show.
About four years ago, Payne received a written reprimand for allegedly sexually harassing another department employee over an extended period of time, internal police records state.
And in 1995, Payne was found to have violated multiple department policies related to a vehicle pursuit that involved the Utah Highway Patrol. He was suspended 80 hours without pay.
Payne and another officer, Lt. James Tracy, have been the focus of several investigations in recent weeks after Payne aggressively arrested University Hospital nurse Alex Wubbels on July 26, acting on the directions of Tracy. Wubbels, citing hospital policy, refused to allow Payne to obtain a blood sample from an unconscious patient injured in a fiery crash in Cache County.
Read more: http://www.sltrib.com/news/2017/09/16/slcpd-detective-who-arrested-nurse-had-been-disciplined-for-alleged-sexual-harassment-and-other-violations-records-show/
Damn title doesn't fit
TexasProgresive
(12,158 posts)Major Nikon
(36,827 posts)Many become cops because they like to intimidate and harass people. The only way they are really going to change the culture of asshole cops is if they stop hiring and tolerating assholes.
Ligyron
(7,639 posts)We always hear what heroes they are and how they risk their life every day to keep us safe. Most of the people I know who became police were jerks in high school on a power trip.
They sure seem to kill a lot of people every year, many of them black for some reason.
FarPoint
(12,437 posts)I'm just thinking out loud now....Police Union may of kept him on the force....I love Unions...but... sometime a learning gift does not teach the one granted the gift lesson.
Major Nikon
(36,827 posts)However, the job of the union is to make sure all members of the bargaining unit are treated fairly, not to do management's job of tending the weeds. What happens when you have an employee who should be fired, but isn't, it's not the fault of the union but rather a management structure that is too lazy or incompetent to follow their own policies and procedures. Unions don't get to pick and choose who they represent. Failure to represent is cause for a lawsuit against the union if someone gets fired.
FarPoint
(12,437 posts)Goes to show that it's complicated....
Major Nikon
(36,827 posts)Many times I represented someone who should have been out the door long before. Inevitably the story is the same. Management proposes firing someone who quite often was a shitbag with a long history of bad behavior. So the first thing you do is ask for the documentation for past disciplinary actions and it's like ummm, we don't have any. That's when you point out that perhaps the reason they are a shitbag is because management effectively encouraged their bad behavior by never doing anything about it. Then you point out the examples of managers who are guilty of the same behavior who never got disciplined and may have even been promoted. It's about that time you politely inform them they can fire the employee if they want, but the union is just going to win in arbitration and they are going to have to rehire them with back pay so it's probably a good time to discuss some other lesser punishment. After you save their jobs the shit stirring union haters in your shop blame the union.
dalton99a
(81,577 posts)Major Nikon
(36,827 posts)He gets to sit at home completely powerless while a process is going on that will decide his future. Given his past history of bad behavior, it seems likely he will soon be guarding outhouses at a construction site somewhere for something close to minimum wage.
defacto7
(13,485 posts)for 10x the pay... or probably ICE. They look for guys like this.
Major Nikon
(36,827 posts)If they go the extra step and get his cop ticket revoked, it will be nearly impossible. His best move right now is to resign and lay low for a while. If he has a lawyer or union council that's worth a shit they are probably telling him exactly that.
JonLP24
(29,322 posts)Oliver mentions this in the video.
Though I'm not sure what you mean by "cop ticket".
Hekate
(90,793 posts)Just sayin'
SunSeeker
(51,698 posts)monmouth4
(9,709 posts)Tribalceltic
(1,000 posts)The entire department needs to be suspended without pay and investigated thoroughly by an independent agency. It is about time someone with real authority started investigating and punishing these rogue departments!
WhiskeyGrinder
(22,432 posts)JonLP24
(29,322 posts)I didn't come across any other links. I'm not going to go through the trouble of changing the entire OP to use that link.
WhiskeyGrinder
(22,432 posts)JonLP24
(29,322 posts)I'll change it.
Bengus81
(6,932 posts)Jesus WHAT do they need to FIRE this creep??
Impeach Trump
(93 posts)But I doubt he could bring in six figures with his skill sets anywhere else.
yardwork
(61,706 posts)In addition to sexual harrassment, I suspect that he also has domestic violence and possibly sexual assault in his past. He doesn't like women who question his power and privilege. When he had to interact with a woman who told him no, he reacted with violence. Very telling.
True_Blue
(3,063 posts)Gore1FL
(21,151 posts)Volaris
(10,274 posts)Gore1FL
(21,151 posts)Yesterday's Stockley verdict was painful.
Volaris
(10,274 posts)You're a bit closer to the 'action' than I am--I'm in st Charles Co.
not fooled
(5,801 posts)over having his body cam on. He's regretting that it didn't "malfunction" at the time.
I haven't looked into this point but I'll bet the SLC Police Dept. at least has strict rules requiring cops to have functioning body cams on at all times or face strict disciplinary consequences. This horrible incident shows why that's necessary.
Oh, and I hope Nurse Wubbels receives just compensation for the trauma she went through. Of course, unfortunately it's ultimately the citizens of SLC who will pick up the tab.
This whole situation shows what's wrong with the current status of policing in the U.S. Requiring cops to be better selected and trained--and not having a jerkwad culture at the top that encourages militarization (sessions the evil turd)--would help.
yardwork
(61,706 posts)The video I saw, which the nurse released to the public, came from another officer's body cam. Payne was talking to him.
mpcamb
(2,875 posts)That's the real test.