UPDATED: NRA calls for federal review of whether bump fire stocks comply with current law

[DonViejo]

Last edited Thu Oct 5, 2017, 03:18 PM - Edit history (1)

Source: Politico


By POLITICO STAFF 10/05/2017 02:22 PM EDT

The National Rifle Association on Thursday called on the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives to review whether bump fire stocks — like the device used in this week’s Las Vegas shooting massacre — comply with current federal law.

“The NRA believes that devices designed to allow semi-automatic rifles to function like fully-automatic rifles should be subject to additional regulations,” NRA CEO Wayne LaPierre and Executive Director Chris Cox added in a joint statement.

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UPDATE:

NRA says it supports regulations on ‘bump stock’; top House Republicans say they’re open to legislation

By Mike DeBonis, Elise Viebeck and Ed O'Keefe October 5 at 3:01 PM

BREAKING: The National Rifle Association released a statement Thursday afternoon saying that it will support regulations on “bump stocks.”

“The NRA believes that devices designed to allow semi-automatic rifles to function like fully-automatic rifles should be subject to additional regulations,” NRA officials Wayne LaPierre and Chris Cox said in a statement.

At a briefing on Thursday, White House press secretary Sarah Huckabee Sanders repeatedly declined to say where the president stands on bump stocks but made clear that he’s willing to have a conversation on the issue.

“We’re open to having that conversation. We think that we should have that conversation. And we want to be part of it moving forward,” Sanders said.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/powerpost/top-house-republicans-open-to-legislation-regulating-bump-stocks/2017/10/05/4580cb54-a9dc-11e7-b3aa-c0e2e1d41e38_story.html

[Kablooie]

1. They feel the mood over these has changed...

So they decided to get out ahead of the crowd and pretend to be concerned.

It's a cynical political ploy.

There has been a push to make these illegal for a long time and the NRA has always blocked it.

Here's a 2013 article about the controversy.
https://www.csmonitor.com/USA/Politics/2013/0203/Bump-fire-devices-turn-rifles-into-machine-guns-How-is-that-legal

[MGKrebs]

11. I'm even more cynical than that.

I think they feel that if those things are already illegal but we can't enforce it then further regulation is also pointless.

[Kablooie]

18. And they'll probably ask for concessions in return

I just heard Terry Gross and she was talking to someone who said there still a lot of laws they want changed to make guns more available.

[DrToast]

12. Theyre hoping a few crumbs will put the issue out of mind again

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[Thomas Hurt]

2. NRA - concern trolls

[LisaM]

3. Thanks for your concern, NRA.

Now go ruin some other country.

[Botany]

4. How about all those assualt rifles .....

.... and those extended magazines too?

It is the guns. End of story.

https://www.nytimes.com/2016/06/14/upshot/compare-these-gun-death-rates-the-us-is-in-a-different-world.html

It is the guns. End of story.


Gun homicides are a common cause of death in the United States, killing about as many people as car crashes (not counting van, truck, motorcycle or bus accidents). Some cases command our attention more than others, of course. Counting mass shootings that make headlines and the thousands of Americans murdered one or a few at a time, gunshot homicides totaled 8,124 in 2014, according to the F.B.I.

This level of violence makes the United States an extreme outlier when measured against the experience of other advanced countries.

Around the world, those countries have substantially lower rates of deaths from gun homicide. In Germany, being murdered with a gun is as uncommon as being killed by a falling object in the United States. About two people out of every million are killed in a gun homicide. Gun homicides are just as rare in several other European countries, including the Netherlands and Austria. In the United States, two per million is roughly the death rate for hypothermia or plane crashes.

In Poland and England, only about one out of every million people die in gun homicides each year — about as often as an American dies in an agricultural accident or falling from a ladder. In Japan, where gun homicides are even rarer, the likelihood of dying this way is about the same as an American’s chance of being killed by lightning — roughly one in 10 million.

[SergeStorms]

10. WHAT?

They won't allow guns in "NRA Headquarters", but they want guns allowed in schools, churches, and all other public buildings?

[Bernardo de La Paz]

16. It's unclear. I will self-delete

I read this some time ago: https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2012/12/21/1172739/-I-Called-the-NRA-Today-Oh-Boy which was pretty clear.

But there is this: https://www.quora.com/Why-does-the-NRA-ban-firearms-in-its-headquarters-building

Why does the NRA ban firearms in its headquarters building?
9 Answers
Matt Pickering
Matt Pickering, Gun owner, engaged in state/national gun policies and politics, instructor/FFL03
Answered Sep 1 2016 · Upvoted by Dave Sparazynski, Smallarms expert, probably fired around a half-million rounds over 30 years.

It doesn’t.

Any member of the public can carry firearms at the attached public range. For obvious reasons. Firearms must be cased going in and out but open or concealed carry in a holster is permitted.

The NRA HQ allows employees with valid carry permits to carry firearms on their person throughout the building.

Concealed carry by visitors to the NRA Firearms Museum in the HQ building is permitted under Virginia law.

The NRA does not ban firearms in its HQ building. At all.

[lapfog_1]

6. The bump stocks do not change the basic function of the gun

one could design a robot hand/finger to accomplish the same thing.

We have to get at the real issue... the semi-automatic assault rifle and large magazines (or other auto feed mechanisms).

[SergeStorms]

13. They already have them.

There are devices which have star wheels that fit inside the trigger guard, with a crank on the outside so the trigger will be pulled as fast as you can crank the wheel.

I'm sure this doesn't do much for accuracy, and your gun barrel will start drooping from the heat rather quickly, but you can buy them.

As soon as you outlaw one type of modification to a semi-automatic weapon, someone will devise another that won't be illegal, unless you ban any type of modification, which the NRA will never agree to.

[William Seger]

24. And you don't really need a special stock to bump fire, anyway

... and you can learn how to do it on YouTube. These stocks just make it easier, but with a little practice it can be done with just about any of the assault-style semi-autos, unmodified.

[underpants]

7. Whoa! Hold on there Mister! You're actually referencing the first half of the amendment

You don't even do THAT in the entrance to your headquarters

[groundloop]

8. Better for them to limit the spotlight to this one item instead of firearms in general

They're cutting their losses, the instant there's discussion of any meaningful restrictions they'll be all up in arms again.

[IronLionZion]

9. Aha, they know gun control is coming!

and these assholes want to limit it to bump fire stocks.

[workinclasszero]

14. Damn for the first time in my life the f**king NRA is feeling the heat

and backing down!

Of course 50 plus people had to die and hundreds wounded first!

Bump stocks should be totally illegal but the larger questions of assault weapons and semi autos will still be there.

[Bromwell]

15. Well yippitee f n do!

Yay! See, the NRA DOES care about people being murdered by the bushel. I feel better now.

Actually F the NRA and all these scared little coward gun humpers. So afraid....such cowards...

[turbinetree]

17. I HATE THE F*CKING NRA

[Paladin]

19. The NRA, trying to boss around the ATF? No, no, no---fuck that shit.

LaPierre and his goons have made it their lives' work to render the ATF as powerless and impotent as possible. And now when it suits their purposes, they want to give the ATF its marching orders? To everlasting hell with the NRA and all who support it.

[freddyvh]

20. this is just pre-action

they knew it was coming
they did it all for PR
no other reason

[Scruffy1]

21. They are just doing damage control.

As I have posted in other posts banning bump fire stocks is a joke. You can do much the same thing with a rubber band. There are many devices available such as rotary cranks that can be used to speed up the rate of fire. Now you can buy a mini milling machine for about 1500 bucks that will machine full auto receivers in the home. The only answer I can see is eleminating semi auto rifles entirely and hand guns completely. It ain't going to happen soon. The good news is the anti gun movement is growing and growing and the percentage f gun owners is steadily declining.

[Man_Bear_Pig]

22. Crafty

[jmowreader]

23. There's a run on winter coats at the Walmart in Hell