UPDATED: Brazile to critics: 'Go to hell'

[DonViejo]

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Source: The Hill



BY MALLORY SHELBOURNE - 11/05/17 09:24 AM EST

Former Democratic National Committee (DNC) interim chairwoman Donna Brazile said the individuals urging her to keep silent about her time helming the Democratic Party can “go to hell.”

“George, for those who are telling me to shut up, they told Hillary that a couple months ago. You know what I tell them? Go to hell. I’m going to tell my story,” Brazile told ABC’s “This Week.”

The comments come after Brazile, in an excerpt from her upcoming book, detailed an agreement between Hillary Clinton’s presidential campaign, the DNC and Clinton’s joint fundraising committee that said the campaign would “control the party’s finances, strategy, and all the money raised.” The agreement, Brazile said, was signed in August of 2015, almost one year before Clinton secured the Democratic presidential nomination. “The funding arrangement with HFA and the victory fund agreement was not illegal, but it sure looked unethical,” Brazile wrote in the book, referring to Clinton’s campaign and the joint committee.

Brazile in the Sunday morning interview questioned why she should keep quiet and not tell her story.

Read more: http://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/358823-brazile-to-critics-go-to-hell

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UPDATE:

Brazile denies Democratic primary was rigged

BY MALLORY SHELBOURNE - 11/05/17 09:40 AM EST

Former Democratic National Committee (DNC) interim chairwoman Donna Brazile said she found “no evidence” that the 2016 Democratic presidential primary process was fixed, taking issue with the use of the word "rigged" by others.

“I found no evidence, none, whatsoever,” Brazile told ABC’s “This Week.”

“The only thing I found, which I said, I found the cancer, but I’m not killing the patient, was this memorandum that prevented the DNC from running its own operation," she said.

The remarks from Brazile follow last week’s release of an explosive excerpt from her upcoming book, where Brazile described a memo she discovered between Clinton’s presidential campaign, the DNC and Clinton’s joint fundraising committee that said the campaign would “control the party’s finances, strategy, and all the money raised.”

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http://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/358830-brazile-denies-democratic-primary-was-rigged

[jrthin]

1. I say the same to her, "go to hell!!!!" nt

[Plucketeer]

4. Yeah! Why not?

She's got experience already.

[totodeinhere]

36. Should Liz Warren also go to hell?

Better to get all of the facts out. I though we were the party of transparency.

http://www.cnn.com/2017/11/02/politics/elizabeth-warren-dnc-rigged/index.html

[SunSeeker]

37. Brazile's "rigging" claims were not "facts." nt

[Hortensis]

45. They were huge lies. She's interestingly fond of "shut up!" in

describing verbal interactions. Professionals just don't talk that way at work, and most of us don't use it at home either. It's low, rude behavior and almost always stupidly counterproductive. But it lives in her mind and comes frequently out of her mouth.

[Podkayne K]

42. Not Facts

at best they are half truths twisted into lies to fit DB's jealousy and anger. She lost the 2000 election, which should have been a shoe in. She lost her job within the party and on CNN. And she was rightfully and thankfully FIRED.

So mostly this an attempt by a three time losing POS, who has become irrelevant to, hog some spotlight for herself and go after those she hates like HRC. Of course, MSM and even Joy Reid are gonna' help her destroy the only chance we have--if we do have a chance--to prevent the Nazi takeover of the US. But, hey, as long as they get their's: $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$, to hell with the rest of us.

[question everything]

50. It is not just the book. It is the timing

Her book probably cost us the races in VA and in NJ

[secondwind]

2. HER TIMING SUCKS

[Me.]

3. It's Not An Issue Of Being Silent...It's A Matter Of When You Do Talk

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Tell the truth....Which she didn't

[Raastan]

9. Exactly

[NurseJackie]

29. She and her defenders and other assorted saboteurs can go fuck themselves!

[FarPoint]

60. Most important....

We confront her on her self serving bitterness ...letting her know, she is now, " No One".

[NurseJackie]

61. I have ten times more respect for Nina Turner as I do for Brazile...

... but then again... 10 x 0 = 0

[FarPoint]

62. Hahaha...

I'm with you there.... please note, I'm in Ohio so my Nina embarrassment runs deep.

[emulatorloo]

30. +1

[Sunlei]

5. Sure is easy for 'The Hill' to make Ds attack their own best & strongest Leaders.

IMO

[DonViejo]

13. You're blaming "The Hill" for reporting what Ms Brazile went on national television...

and said? Really?

Irony of ironies, George Stephanopolous left the White House and wrote the first book about "inside the Clinton White House" when he did. In his book he accused then FLOTUS Clinton of going on angry rampages and talked about how he had to go on medication to calm his nerves. Interesting that he interviews Donna Brazile today

[Sunlei]

15. No, they cherry pick one line and push that

[Sunlei]

18. Stephanopolous left the WH over the Presidents bad 'behavior', at that time.

He should have went on vacation for a couple months so Hillary and Bill could work out the marital 'problem'

[emulatorloo]

31. The Hill likes to stir the pot. They spin things to be negative about Democrats

They aren't useless but read them with a grain of salt. Same goes w Politico.

[vi5]

6. Here's the thing about this whole kerfuffle....

...I don't particularly like Donna Brazile (as much as anyone can like or dislike someone they've never met and only know from their public image). She's always seemed to embody the centrist talking head archetype a little too well for my tastes. And I'm not going to suddenly be all "Yay Donna Brazile!" just because she's confirming what I thought to be true and had a problem with as far as the DNC goes in the 1-2 year run up to the 2016 election.

But let's leave aside Hillary/Bernie. Let's leave aside just how much Debbie Wasserman Schulz did wrong, or whether Obama had more of a responsibility to do anything to help the DNC stay solvent or active or whatever. I will for the sake of discussion concede any point that anyone has on those issues. I don't claim to be all knowing or have any of the "right" answers for any of that.

But can we at least all agree that even the most generous interpretation of this situation shows a party in a pretty bad state of disarray? Can we at least a gree that this important an arm of the major political party that we are essentially all relying on to save us from Republicanism (and more specifically at this point in time, Trumpism) should be better run? And can we all agree that at no point should this arm of this very important political party should never be in a position to be beholden to any one individual or group bailing it out?

I want nothing more than to know and think that where we are at now is better than we were 1, 2, 3 years ago because the strength of every single aspect of our party is more important now than it has ever been. But then I see how close things are in Virginia, and I see how the party is being run in my own very blue home state, and I worry, and I fear and I believe that it really has not gotten any better than it was a few years ago and I'm not confident that it's going to get better.

And yes, I am active, and yes I am involved and yes I do everything that one person can realistically do in this system without being an actual politician. So for me, in this situation, where I live and seeing what I see and doing what I do.....I shouldn't have reason to be this pessimistic. But I am.

[BeyondGeography]

16. Excellent post

We as a party are obviously rudderless and dysfunctional. Our long-term inability to convert the relative popularity of our positions on the isssues into electoral wins and legislative power proves it.

[kstewart33]

19. Absolutely, the DNC is in disarray.

I haven't a clue about how to fix the problem. I'd wager that none of us do because we don't know enough about the DNC.

However, it looks increasingly like Brazile wrote the book because she was simply fed up about how she was being treated and about all the dysfunction in the DNC. Her frustration is understandable. But the timing of her book and the mistakes in the book are so terribly costly.

She has handed Fox and all the right wing radio jocks and talking heads literally months of fuel to keep their base fired up. Really fired up.

We are at a unique time in history where our democracy is truly and significantly at risk. IMHO, her actions has made our fight more difficult. And that's very difficult to accept and excuse.

[DonCoquixote]

34. it is one thing to complain about the DNC

and you can do that in a way that is NOT a cheap way top demonize Hillary that will be used yet again, to wave the wobbly people on the fence who are trying to tell themselves "I had no other choice", kind of the way many Germans so "hated" Hitler, but really had "no other choice."

When she compares herself to the character in 12 years a slave, knowing that is loaded, she knows what she is doing. This book was wirtten to punish and make a lot of loot, exactly what trump needed at this time. She saw how Comey went from being useful to garbage, but this way, she knows that after Trump calls for her head, she will fly off with Susan Sarandon and sip champgne.

[Squinch]

43. +1. I have yet to see one that was NOT a cheap way to demonize Hillary.

[vi5]

40. But when IS someone allowed to say it?

Let me know when that "right time" is?

And the answer can't be "Just not in an election year." because it's always a damn election year.

We weren't allowed to talk about it when Obama was in office and trying to get stuff done because that apparently was undermining his efforts.
We weren't allowed to talk about it BEFORE 2016, and we ended up where we are now.
We're not allowed to talk about it now because we need to get OUT of this situation and apparently admitting that things are not great is going to make them magically turn great.

Fixing the Democratic party seems to fall under the same schedule as talking about gun control. There never seems to be a "right time" and kicking the can down the road on that narrative always seems to favor the same people and keep things in the bad shape they are in.

So....again let me know when the right time is and I'm going to put it on my calendar and set a few alerts for myself. But I've been waiting for that right time for a while now and it never seems to come up.

[TexasBushwhacker]

56. Yes, yes, a thousand times yes

As Brazile said in the interview, if she waited to release the book in 2018 she would be criticized for harming the mid-term elections. If she waited longer, then they would say she was harming the 2020 cycle. She has a right to tell her story just like Hillary did with "What Happened".

She ran Al Gore's campaign in 2000. She's served the DNC as vice-chairman and interim chairman. She knows what a standard joint fundraising agreement looks like and what it doesn't. I agree that she just confirmed what we already knew; that money that should be going to the states isn't, and it has cost us dearly. Per this article from 2015, it didn't start with Clinton.

https://www.usnews.com/news/the-report/articles/2015/09/11/a-dim-future-for-the-democratic-party

Much attention is being focused on Brazile's objection to the arrangement with the Clinton campaign. Fair enough. That's what gets viewers on TV and clicks on the web. But I haven't seen headlines saying "Obama left DNC deeply in debt" and/or "Brazile inherited a nightmare from Debbie Wasserman-Schultz" and perhaps that's the real story.

[Squinch]

23. In all your "leaving aside" you did manage to bring up all the old grievances in that little

Festivus paragraph.

But let's now leave all that aside and point out some facts. Donna got it wrong. Hillary bailed out the DNC. In doing that she signed an agreement that did not give her any special control over the money THAT SHE DONATED. The agreement specified that her donation did not in any way change the responsibility of the DNC to work for all candidates. Bernie signed the same fundraising agreement. After the primary was won, she signed another agreement that allowed her more control over the money THAT SHE DONATED.

I'd like to think we were better off than we were before too, but I see no evidence that those who were so easily led by lies in the past are not going to stop being easily led by lies in the future. I'm not convinced that the easily led will not spread those lies to all corners of the internet where they are picked up by other easily led people who then stay home or vote against Democrats. Because of the Republican manufactured disarray that "loyal democrats" love to spread.

I would ask if it would not serve us all if we could all, just for a moment, stop compulsively shooting ourselves in the foot and picking up on every talking point the Republican spin machine feeds us. But I see no reason to believe that will happen.

[vi5]

39. But again.....

......the point is that the party should not be in a position, at any point to have ANY one person bail it out. I don't care who it is.

Yesh, as you yourself admit Hillary bailed it out and I don't begrudge her expecting some reciprocity (and she probably did that much less than many others in her position would have). I don't think it was done this way out of malice on her part.

But the point is that it should never get to that point. It should never have gotten to that point.

A lot of that is on our shoulders as voters.
A lot of that is on party infrastructure.
A lot of it is on the media and our own lack of strength in that particular area.

But can we just at least agree that it should never have gotten to that point? And that we don't want to find ourselves in that situation again, least of all now? That's all I'm trying to say here.

[Squinch]

44. Once again, you are airing a grievance, and one that is not based on fact.

Good for you that you don't begrudge her expecting reciprocity. But the fact is that she DIDN'T expect reciprocity. The contracts she signed specifically PROHIBITED reciprocity during the primary. Glad you don't think there was malice for that action you attribute to her that DIDN'T HAPPEN.

You want to have a serious discussion about how to fund the DNC better? Then you need to start over and leave out the passive aggressive and fact-free demonizations of Hillary. And Obama and even DWS. Then maybe people will take the question seriously.

You want to talk about funding the DNC? Then talk about funding the DNC and find a way to do it without repeating Republican spin. It's really not that hard.

[vi5]

58. Got it.

So we can talk about how we fix our clearly broken party, we just can't mention or speak even moderately ill in any way of anyone who has actually been in any position of power to control that party in any way or do anything about it over the past........what's our window? 8 years? 10? 30?

That should be a productive conversation.

[Squinch]

63. You can't talk about funding the DNC without trashing Democrats? Then that's your answer.

You are a Democrat who is saying that you can't even consider having a conversation, even about a subject like funding the DNC, that doesn't involve trashing Democrats. And I'm sure there are many more like you. That's the problem.

Want to have a productive conversation? Then you're going to damn well have to figure out some way to overcome what you seem to think is an impossible problem. You have to learn how to have a conversation that doesn't involve trashing Democrats.

[vi5]

66. Simple yes or no question...

Is ANY aspect AT ALL of our current problem the fault of anyone in any position of any authority within the Democratic party over the past 10 years?

[Squinch]

68. Simple yes or no question: do you want to talk about how to fund the DNC, or do you want to rehash

grievances and trash Democrats?

Because one does NOT require the other. In fact, the two impulses are mutually exclusive if you want to have a productive conversation. The fact that you are having such a hard time with that concept shows exactly where the problem lies with the Democratic party.

If you really want to talk about how to fund the DNC, why don't you say something about how to fund the DNC? Though you say you want to do that, I haven't seen word one from you about it. I've only seen you trashing Democrats and insisting that conversations in which Democrats are not trashed are impossible to have.

If, as it seems, you simply want to argue with Democrats and trash Democrats and place blame for past history, why don't you just say so?

[Not Ruth]

35. If the DNC was broke until Hillary gave $ and Hillary is not giving that much $ to them these days

Is the DNC still broke?

[Docreed2003]

53. Excellent post...thank you!

[dembotoz]

7. whistle blower or pariah....take your pick...better now than close to the midterms

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

11. You got that right! Turning a "blind eye" to the truth is not the solution.

[emulatorloo]

32. Donna didn't tell the truth tho.

Link to tweet

Link to tweet

"Turns out the memo Donna spoke about applied only to the general election. If so then this memo is standard operating procedure for 15 years

[SunSeeker]

52. With the VA governor election on Tuesday, could she not have waited until WEDNESDAY?

And whistle blowers disclose actual wrongdoing. Brazile's "rigging" claims are not true. She is not a whistle blower. Nor is she a "pariah." She is an author trying to sell a book.

[JustABozoOnThisBus]

8. I think "Go to Hell" really means "Buy my Book"

And fast, because it will be stale in a week, falling from "best seller" to "fish-wrap".

[peggysue2]

20. Hahaha.

That's between and ouch and a giggle because it hits the mark. Donna B.'s grievance platform will have a short shelf life. She and her publisher know that and are acting accordingly. For me, even the timing is suspicious--setoff the bomb right before two important state elections, gin up attention, outrage, etc., increase sales.

Donna B., we hardly knew ye.

[ollie10]

25. It is all about selling a book....

If she was seriously upset about unethical stuff why did she go along with giving debate questions to Hillary? Nothing would have happened to her if she had refused to do so.....She has zero credibility. ZERO.

Now she wants to sell some books.

So, of course now is good timing for HER....just before an election. It will get more publicity for her NOW than if she waited until after the elections next week.....

So what if it hurts Northam's chances in VA?

Zero credibility. She left in disgrace. She is digging herself deeper into the same hole.

[zentrum]

10. The story

.....would have come out anyway. It's good to get the air clear before 2018. Cover-ups do not work. Hillary is not running again. If she takes the black eye---it doesn't necessarily hurt us in 2018. 2018 is all that matters.

Everyone thinks that the huge numbers of Dems weren't whispering about this anyway. Many refused to send any money to the DNC because of this kind of thing. The DNC needed a house cleaning.This will ultimately strengthen the party.

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

12. 2018 IS all that matters... we need to keep our eye on the ball...

and that's retaking Congress.

[Bradical79]

48. Problem is this seems like a false story

The memo wasn't what she described, and the part about replacing Clinton with Biden was delusional at best.

[NBachers]

14. Trying to draw an alliance with Hillary to defend her lies or "mistakes" against Hillary & DNC?

I give more credibility to the open letter from Hillary for America 2016 Team than I do Donna "I Got Issues" Brazille.

https://www.democraticunderground.com/10029797221

[left-of-center2012]

17. Time to move on

2018 election is one year away,
and too many people are stuck in 2016.

Get over it

[Paladin]

22. How about passing that advice along to Donna Brazile?

She needs it a lot more than the rest of us do. To hell with her.

[left-of-center2012]

38. Saw her on ABC with George S. this morning

She tells the truth,
and folks hate her for it?

[Bradical79]

49. Didn't the memo proove otherwise?

And the part about replacing Clinton.

[Squinch]

21. She apparently didn't light a candle and put on gospel music to compose herself before the nterview.

[Cryptoad]

24. Is the Hill a Russian owned corp??????

they sure like to stir this ShitPot!

btw ,,,,Hey Donna kiss my ass !

[mjinnj]

26. f.u. DB and your sellout book also

[MFM008]

27. Me to her

Not buying your trash.

[TheDebbieDee]

28. I'd tell Donna Brazile, "GO TO FOX NEWS!"

[Raine]

71. she's going to be on Tucker Carlson Wednesday

I guess she's taking your advice..

[johnp3907]

33. Sounds like she's crackin'.

She thought she was ready for this kind of game, but she's not.

[WhiteTara]

41. Back at you!

[llmart]

46. She's still trying to remain relevant...

she's not.

[BlueIdaho]

47. Donnas 15 minutes of Fame are up...

Her book is a dud. Now... that doesn’t change the fact the Democratic Party is ALSO in need of a spine and a soul. Forget Bernie, forget Hillary. For all their star power - they are not the leadership we need to move forward. We need to be cultivating fresh young voices that have an understanding of what made the Democratic Party great - standing up for workers, unions, civil rights, universal equality, peaceful diplomacy, and sane economic policies. We need a party that works on the local, state, and national level and aggressively recruits ordinary people to play a role inside the party.

It is possible that Brazile’s claim is far less than meets the eye - and that the Democratic Party is in need of a transfusion of values.

[appleannie1943]

51. What some people won't say or do to get their name in the paper.

[onetexan]

54. She's really being gracious isn't she

At this point i wouldn't be surprised if she jumped ship and joined the Repugs or Bernie's independent Socialist movement. If that's her attitude then good riddance.

[MrsCoffee]

55. And she doubles and triples down on her lies.

She is insane. Literally batshit insane.

[JCanete]

57. well....one thing that came out of this is now nobody likes Donna Brazile. I certainly would have

expected somebody who was going to receive national scrutiny, and for that matter, was almost certainly about to burn some bridges with powerful colleagues, to be less sloppy in her accusations. Its not that she left off the fact that it is standard for the reins of the party to go to the primary winner, because she didn't. She explicitly addressed that. And yet, she still said this agreement had been different, and earlier, and that there was evidence, no, proof, that Clinton had been pulling the strings of the party from earlier on. Unless she actually addresses that detail and explains herself, she's looking pretty shitty....AGAIN.

[SDOPINION]

59. Really?

What did she expect? I would not trust her. I would not vote for her, Biden, Warren or Sanders...selfish.....hasn't Hillary been thru enough? Election stolen from her as history will prove. Votes flipped it will come out but not for decades unfortunately....government doesn't think citizens can handle.

[GatoGordo]

64. As Democrats on a Democrat only forum, it is in our best interests

to find out the truth about our party, no matter what that truth is.

I didn't support Hillary, but I voted for the Democrat who won our party's endorsement, because I think being a Democrat means something.

Was Bernie telling the truth? Hillary? Wasserman-Schultz? Brazile?

AT THIS POINT, DOES IT MATTER WHO LIED OR WHO IS BEING TRUTHFUL? We have a narcissistic orangutan in the White House with his finger on the button, and Democrats are still trying to blame each other, when what NEEDS to happen is a clear and truthful accounting so that it never happens again.

I don't give the least shlt about Hillary or Bernie or Brazile. I don't care if Hillary is made to look bad, or Bernie looks like a saint. NEITHER OF THEM ARE IN THE WHITE HOUSE! If we want to be truthful with ourselves, we need to at least admit that the vast majority of our electeds don't give a shit about us and care only about getting elected/re-elected, and the power that comes with it.

I care that in 3 years, all of this is old news and America has some hope again. And if this sort of BS is true, then our party is its own worst enemy. We SHOULD be outraged.

[keithbvadu2]

65. Brazile is building up the speaking fees. Publicity and controversy.

Brazile is building up the speaking fees. Publicity and controversy.

Make hay while the sun shines.

[YOHABLO]

67. Our political system is totally destroyed. Let's face it. None of this restores any integrity.

[workinclasszero]

69. How long before Brazile is a regular on

Fox and Friends?

[Blue_Tires]

70. you first