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riversedge

(70,218 posts)
Sun Nov 5, 2017, 04:08 PM Nov 2017

Howard Dean: Jared Kushner will be indicted for money laundering and the next step will be Trum

Source: raw story


Howard Dean: ‘Jared Kushner will be indicted for money laundering’ and ‘the next step will be Trump family’



05 Nov 2017 at 13:48 ET


Former Democratic National Chairman Howard Dean (D-VT) predicted on Sunday that President Donald Trump’s son-in-law Jared Kushner will be indicted for money laundering as a part of Special Counsel Robert Mueller’s Russia investigation.


After NBC News reported that Mueller has enough evidence to charge former National Security Adviser Michael Flynn and his son, Trump National Diversity Coalition Director Bruce Levell told MSNBC that he was not concerned about the news.

“I’m totally confident. You know, I believe in the president,” Levell insisted. “I think this whole Russia thing is a waste of time unfortunately. We’ll see how that plays itself out. We’ve moved on.”

Dean, however, had a different take...............

“We believe we may well have a criminal in the White House,” Dean lamented as Levell groaned. “Certainly, he has a special interest in the Trump family and their investments. And we think there is substantial likelihood that he has laundered money. That’s what his associates have been charged with.”

“You have a prosecutor [in Special Counsel Robert Mueller] who I think everybody on the Republican and Democratic side believes in a straight shooter,” the former Vermont governor continued. “He is playing a very serious hand here. He’s working his way up from the bottom as he’s going to continue to do.”.................

Read more: https://www.rawstory.com/2017/11/howard-dean-jared-kushner-will-be-indicted-for-money-laundering-and-the-next-step-will-be-trump-family/



Dean always says what is on his mind.



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Howard Dean: Jared Kushner will be indicted for money laundering and the next step will be Trum (Original Post) riversedge Nov 2017 OP
Please be true. muntrv Nov 2017 #1
I wonder if Jared thinks the USA should adopt ,,,,, Cryptoad Nov 2017 #19
The Mueller train is picking up speed. More coal. Sneederbunk Nov 2017 #2
Ah, at last, a market for coal! lagomorph777 Nov 2017 #37
There is no way in hell Trump and his herd were DUH, like we know nothing! n/t RKP5637 Nov 2017 #3
MAGA! sandensea Nov 2017 #4
Good one... Pachamama Nov 2017 #26
Why, thank you Pachamama. sandensea Nov 2017 #29
Howard Dean: It's "likely" we have a "criminal in the White House." SunSeeker Nov 2017 #5
+1 onetexan Nov 2017 #6
Only one criminal? FakeNoose Nov 2017 #36
I think it's irresponsible for him to be saying these things at this stage. Honeycombe8 Nov 2017 #7
He called Kushner a criminal, not Trump. tavernier Nov 2017 #10
I agree, read it again all the way through the whole paragraph. Kleveland Nov 2017 #30
Manafort, Gates, and Papadapolos all Eyeball_Kid Nov 2017 #28
I would almost prefer that he first be charged with his actions as a slumlord karynnj Nov 2017 #8
Tenants allege Trump's son-in-law is a Baltimore "slumlord," and that's not even the worst of it CountAllVotes Nov 2017 #12
Yep, and as a Jew, I hate all the articles of how they observe Shabbat karynnj Nov 2017 #13
eh he's a big fake/phoney IMO CountAllVotes Nov 2017 #15
He's no better than your garden-variety slumlord NastyRiffraff Nov 2017 #20
K&R Scurrilous Nov 2017 #9
Obviously though, Trump will without question pardon Jared. OliverQ Nov 2017 #11
If money laundering charges are brought on the state level like manafort Thekaspervote Nov 2017 #14
Dump is not excused from CRIMES CountAllVotes Nov 2017 #16
His opinion only. Owl Nov 2017 #17
Do you disagree? RandomAccess Nov 2017 #24
YAAAAAAS shenmue Nov 2017 #18
Give 'em Hell Howard! sagesnow Nov 2017 #21
They'll never pin money laundering on him directly. Calista241 Nov 2017 #22
Trump really isn't that careful marylandblue Nov 2017 #27
Suspecting money laundering and proving money laundering Calista241 Nov 2017 #35
I understand, I've been audited at work marylandblue Nov 2017 #38
Re: jarhead not fooled Nov 2017 #23
And it'll be up to the public to riot in the streets when tRump inevitably fires Mueller ffr Nov 2017 #25
How about a peaceful but very visible number of people protesting immediately with out violence ? lunasun Nov 2017 #31
I'm already signed up. We need masses like we had for the Women's March ffr Nov 2017 #32
Our whole extended family small it may be , has plans to move outside ASAP . The kids already know lunasun Nov 2017 #33
You and your family are America patriots. ffr Nov 2017 #34
I signed up for myself and my sister last week. BigmanPigman Nov 2017 #41
Loves me some Dr. Dean! geardaddy Nov 2017 #39
May it be so!!! niyad Nov 2017 #40
Oh, he doesn't know, any more than anyone else. He's not being helpful. Honeycombe8 Nov 2017 #42
Better not stop there SHRED Nov 2017 #43
FEDERAL PRISON BLUES (With apologies to Johnny Cash) Podkayne K Nov 2017 #44
I love Howard but he needs to leave this in Mueller's capable hands. Algernon Moncrieff Nov 2017 #45
Right. Hope he's right in the long run, but the sequence needs to be different to avert pardons. mpcamb Nov 2017 #46

Cryptoad

(8,254 posts)
19. I wonder if Jared thinks the USA should adopt ,,,,,
Sun Nov 5, 2017, 06:50 PM
Nov 2017

the Kingdom's punishment for corrupt government officials?????

sandensea

(21,635 posts)
29. Why, thank you Pachamama.
Sun Nov 5, 2017, 10:30 PM
Nov 2017

I saw it the other day somewhere on the internets - on Facebook, I think.

Definitely a "wish I had thought of that" moment.

SunSeeker

(51,557 posts)
5. Howard Dean: It's "likely" we have a "criminal in the White House."
Sun Nov 5, 2017, 04:16 PM
Nov 2017

We need to follow Howard Dean's example and not fear stating the obvious. We have coddled Trump and the GOP for too long.

FakeNoose

(32,639 posts)
36. Only one criminal?
Mon Nov 6, 2017, 11:09 AM
Nov 2017

He should have used the plural form!

But I do admire Dean's leadership and willingness to speak out. Let's hope the GOP is listening.



Honeycombe8

(37,648 posts)
7. I think it's irresponsible for him to be saying these things at this stage.
Sun Nov 5, 2017, 04:43 PM
Nov 2017

To "guess" that Kushner is being looked at...okay. But to "predict" that Kushner will be indicted, and state Trump's a criminal...that's just irresponsible and not helpful.

This is a delicate time. Let Mueller do his job. Don't make this look like a Democratic Party investigation. It's an impartial investigation. The Dems are NOT involved in the investigation.

Kleveland

(1,257 posts)
30. I agree, read it again all the way through the whole paragraph.
Sun Nov 5, 2017, 10:31 PM
Nov 2017

But my point is that I disagree, I think he means Trump.

Or, it is intentionally vague as far as the target.

Eyeball_Kid

(7,432 posts)
28. Manafort, Gates, and Papadapolos all
Sun Nov 5, 2017, 10:30 PM
Nov 2017

we’re indicted months ago. We’re now hearing about Manafort and Gates because their indictments were unsealed and they were CHARGED with crimes. The same is true for Kushner and others. They’ve been indicted, but Mueller has yet to unseal the indictments and file charges.

karynnj

(59,503 posts)
8. I would almost prefer that he first be charged with his actions as a slumlord
Sun Nov 5, 2017, 04:45 PM
Nov 2017

in Baltimore. I know it is less serious, but it would immediately put an end to any of the strange views that he and Ivanka were not as disgusting as the rest of the Trumps. In fact, their looks and that they look even younger than they are have kept many from seeing that his actions on those apartments, where he destroyed vulnerable people, show his complete lack of values.

CountAllVotes

(20,870 posts)
12. Tenants allege Trump's son-in-law is a Baltimore "slumlord," and that's not even the worst of it
Sun Nov 5, 2017, 05:40 PM
Nov 2017

Jared Kushner, the President's son-in-law, sues his Baltimore tenants for thousands of dollars in bogus debts, on which he also gets judgments allowing him to garnish their wages and drain their bank accounts.

This according to Pro Publica's Alec MacGillis, who reports in a story for this Sunday's New York Times Magazine that Kushner quietly bought-up thousands of modest and run-down apartment units in Essex and other Baltimore suburbs, whose tenants complain of poor maintenance, harsh rent collection techniques, and relentless pursuit of old and sometimes dubious debts generated after tenants moved out.

MacGillis leads off with Kamiia Warren, who moved out of Cove Village in Essex years ago to get away from a crazy neighbor. She had permission to do so from the apartment's managers, yet Kushner's company sued her years later for breaking the lease, winning more than $3,000 plus fees and expenses: almost $5,000 total by 2014.

At one point in the story, a private investigator looking into Westminster Management, Kusher’s property management company says, “they’re nothing but slumlords.” MacGillis notes the P.I. is a Trump supporter and had no idea of the connection between Trump’s son-in-law and Westminster.

http://www.citypaper.com/blogs/the-news-hole/bcpnews-trump-s-son-in-law-is-a-baltimore-slumlord-and-that-s-not-even-the-worst-of-it-20170523-story.html

They are known as a "Kushnerville"
http://www.trbimg.com/img-59246425/turbine/bcpnews-trump-s-son-in-law-is-a-baltimore-slum-001/800/800x450

Slime ball indeed!



CountAllVotes

(20,870 posts)
15. eh he's a big fake/phoney IMO
Sun Nov 5, 2017, 06:40 PM
Nov 2017

His rectangle mouth spewing lies lies lies. SICK!!!

Looks like he's going down best we can tell!

ENOUGH!!



NastyRiffraff

(12,448 posts)
20. He's no better than your garden-variety slumlord
Sun Nov 5, 2017, 07:03 PM
Nov 2017

Just richer. Just like his father-in-law he'll cheat everybody and anybody for $$$$, rich, poor and in between.

 

OliverQ

(3,363 posts)
11. Obviously though, Trump will without question pardon Jared.
Sun Nov 5, 2017, 05:24 PM
Nov 2017

Well, unless he thinks it's finally his opportunity to marry Ivanka.


Thekaspervote

(32,767 posts)
14. If money laundering charges are brought on the state level like manafort
Sun Nov 5, 2017, 06:34 PM
Nov 2017

dodart will have no ability to pardon him!

CountAllVotes

(20,870 posts)
16. Dump is not excused from CRIMES
Sun Nov 5, 2017, 06:42 PM
Nov 2017

and that includes conspiracy & treason.

He is not as omnipotent as he any many others seem to believe!



Calista241

(5,586 posts)
22. They'll never pin money laundering on him directly.
Sun Nov 5, 2017, 07:26 PM
Nov 2017

There's several layers of business executives, accountants, and corporate lawyers between him and any business decisions the Trump Organization made. And it's been that way for 50 years.

Plus, the IRS has been through his books dozens of times in the last 50 years. Finding evidence of money laundering given the scrutiny he's been under, in less than 6 months of analysis, will be exceptionally difficult. And they'd have to get the books from the Trump organization or from Trump's accountant. You would think they'd have realized the books needed to be squeaky clean given the job Trump was running for.

Believe me, i'd like it to be true, and i'd like to see Trump in handcuffs, but I think the chances of that happening are unlikely.

marylandblue

(12,344 posts)
27. Trump really isn't that careful
Sun Nov 5, 2017, 10:17 PM
Nov 2017

He uses hardball legal tactics to keep IRS auditors away. But reporter David Fahrenthold with just public documents was able to find evidence of fraud and tax evasion in the Trump Foundation. David Cay Johnson wrote a book about Trump's financial dealings. Again with just public information, he found evidence of criminal activity. There's a reason Trump doesn't want you to see his tax returns.

Calista241

(5,586 posts)
35. Suspecting money laundering and proving money laundering
Mon Nov 6, 2017, 10:58 AM
Nov 2017

Are two entirely different things. Regular audits by the IRS can take most of a year. The audit Mueller is attempting to do will take a team of accountants a year just to get started.

The Trump organization has billions of dollars in assets and liabilities. They’re all in different jurisdictions and different countries with different tax requirements and implications. Documents will need to be obtained from not just the Trump Organization, but all of his creditors, and all of the organizations / people he’s invested in. Most of his properties will have multiple creditors and investors.

And Mueller’s team doesn’t have a secret map to all these investments. They’re going to have to find the pieces and then subpoena them.

I don’t think anyone here really understands how big a job it will be for Mueller to pull off this type of investigation. It will require a team of dozens or maybe a hundred accountants. Hiring 1 or 2 lawyers who specializes in financial fraud won’t even begin to cut it.

And we’ve heard no word that he’s moved his financial investigators into the Trump organization offices, which is something he’d more than likely have to do. You can’t just show up with a dozen new “employees” asking a zillion questions and move into those offices without anyone taking notice and telling reporters. Those investigators would have to secure office space, and secure file storage space. We’ve heard no word of that happening.

marylandblue

(12,344 posts)
38. I understand, I've been audited at work
Mon Nov 6, 2017, 11:48 AM
Nov 2017

Took an auditor 4 months in residence to do one relatively small review.

You are probably right, ultimately it is a lot of work. But right now Mueller just needs a few forensic accountants to find probable cause, not absolute proof yet. I think that such a team can do a lot more than a typical IRS audit. Aldo, he doesn't have to follow every trail like while Trump accounts steer thrm away lile an IRS audit . He just has to look at suspicious patterns in the last few years involving Russia. I think he is really looking for quid pro quos involving financial exchanges for help with a Presidential campaign or maybe a pattern of financial ties involving money laundering or tax evasion such as with Manafort.

not fooled

(5,801 posts)
23. Re: jarhead
Sun Nov 5, 2017, 08:04 PM
Nov 2017

Nothing more than a parasite on society. Just with more money and connections, however dubious.

Maybe all this exposure will cause a muscle to move in his face. If it can.

And iwanna marrying a dimwitted real estate criminal shows that, at least in this case, women really do marry their fathers.

It's the GOPee - dump - dump admin -dump family crime network.


ffr

(22,670 posts)
25. And it'll be up to the public to riot in the streets when tRump inevitably fires Mueller
Sun Nov 5, 2017, 09:54 PM
Nov 2017

He's just about ready to.

Will we stand up to him and protest in the streets or site on our dead asses watching it on TV???

lunasun

(21,646 posts)
31. How about a peaceful but very visible number of people protesting immediately with out violence ?
Sun Nov 5, 2017, 11:41 PM
Nov 2017

Plan on it
https://act.moveon.org/event/mueller-firing-rapid-response-events/search/
Riot in the streets is what Repubs would like to see so Joe Sixpack and soccer moms side with trump

ffr

(22,670 posts)
32. I'm already signed up. We need masses like we had for the Women's March
Mon Nov 6, 2017, 01:24 AM
Nov 2017

This needs to be 100 million people, pissed off people, angry & peaceful people. Whatever. We need numbers. I think we're living in a much different era though. Unless it's organized like the Women's March, I'm worried people won't get out and protest.

But thank you for the link. It doesn't go to waste. Let's hope everyone is tuned in and ready to walk out of work at the moment the mistake in the White House does the deed.

lunasun

(21,646 posts)
33. Our whole extended family small it may be , has plans to move outside ASAP . The kids already know
Mon Nov 6, 2017, 01:30 AM
Nov 2017

why we may take them out of school ( they are older =middle school + above) or why we miss work and how important it is

BigmanPigman

(51,593 posts)
41. I signed up for myself and my sister last week.
Tue Nov 7, 2017, 03:11 AM
Nov 2017

At that time I counted and there were 300 cities already planning to attend the protests at a moment's notice.

Honeycombe8

(37,648 posts)
42. Oh, he doesn't know, any more than anyone else. He's not being helpful.
Tue Nov 7, 2017, 07:50 AM
Nov 2017

To have a prominent Democrat go on national television and say things that sound like he's wishing for htem to be so, makes it appear to be a Democratic Party investigation, which it is not. It plays into the hands of Trumpers ("It's a witch hunt! By the Democrats, who are still sore they lost!&quot

Podkayne K

(145 posts)
44. FEDERAL PRISON BLUES (With apologies to Johnny Cash)
Tue Nov 7, 2017, 02:33 PM
Nov 2017

I see Bob Mueller coming, warrant in his hand
Did all I could to stop him, now I’m a wanted man
So I’ll be stuck in Federal Prison screaming bloody hell
But at least my family’s nearby, in an adjoining cell

When I was just a young boy, they sent me off to school
My mom said she was worried cause I was such a fool
But daddy gave me millions to be just like him
So I screwed over everyone, and now I’m in the Pen

I wonder if there’s rich folk still in my hotel
Eating all my steaks, and getting on just swell
But I never thought they’d catch me, and now I can’t be free
And this place don’t have a golf course,
And that’s what tortures me

When they free me from this prison
I’ll go see my old friend Vlad, I know he will help me, be very glad
But he’s also in a hot seat with a man in red
So please tell me sir, what are those horns in your head?

mpcamb

(2,870 posts)
46. Right. Hope he's right in the long run, but the sequence needs to be different to avert pardons.
Tue Nov 7, 2017, 11:31 PM
Nov 2017

And, truly, I'd love to see trump's s-in-law frog walked in irons and bracelets.

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