GOP voter support drops for House tax plan, poll says

[DonViejo]

Source: Politico




By TOBY ECKERT 11/29/2017 06:02 AM EST

Republican voter support for the House GOP tax plan eroded sharply in the past week, and ticked down among all voters, according to a new POLITICO/Morning Consult tracking poll.

While Republicans still mostly back the plan, their support dropped to 59 percent from 66 percent based on what they generally know about it. GOP opposition grew to 12 percent from 9 percent, and the GOP undecided grew to 28 percent from 25 percent. The number of registered voters overall who said they support the bill, which passed the House earlier this month, fell to 36 percent from 39 percent, while opposition rose to 36 percent from 31 percent.

Democrats continue to be overwhelmingly opposed to the plan — 58 percent, up from 52 percent the week before. Support among independents stood at 30 percent, which was unchanged.

After being read a list of provisions included in the House bill, Republican support rose to 62 percent, which was still down from 69 percent after respondents were told about the same provisions the week before. Overall voter support hit 38 percent under those circumstances, which is down from 41 percent.



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[dhol82]

1. Sadly, its too late.

This bill is rolling, rolling, rolling.
I think we will be screwed bigly.

[janterry]

3. there's no will to stop this mess

it's so sad.....I really wish I didn't live in this country. I'm older, now, and don't have the wherewithal to just up and move. But if I were younger...............

I'm just so ashamed.

[lagomorph777]

4. The RePutins are writing their political suicide note.

This will be a huge wakeup call to the electorate.

[Cosmocat]

9. It should be, but

the stupid is strong in this country.

There is AMPLE time for something to occur to either provide them with their false equivilency CLINTON'S E-MAILS or something really bad to happen like 9-11 which they can find a way to use to their advantage ...

[LonePirate]

2. How could support from Republican voters rise after being told of the bills provisions?

These people are ignorant, sadistic nihilists who are determined to destroy our country.

[Tom Rinaldo]

6. Because listing provisions does not reveal the impacts

It's like describing the menu without revealing the price. The provisions are written to sound like a free lunch for all, until the bill comes in the mail.

[hibbing]

5. We're screwed

This will cause a self-imposed "budget crisis" which will then justify the upcoming massive cuts to Medicare, Medicaid and Social Security among other programs that benefit normal Americans.

Only 58% of Democrats are against it? WTH?

Peace

[Cosmocat]

10. YEP

in five years after this country is stupid enough to give them power again (assuming they get timed out in 2018/2020, everyone will have long forgotten about this disaster and they will be screaming about the deficit and use that as their basis to attack these programs ...

Odds are the country will go along for the ride ...

[KPN]

7. WTF??? Democratic voter opposition to the tax bill is ...

only "58 percent, up from 52 percent the week before".

Why in the hell isn't it 100%??!!

[ProfessorGAC]

8. Because Certain Segments of Information Tell Them. . .

. . .it means a cut for them. They haven't caught on that the cut is tenuous at best, and if it does happen, it's temporary, but the cuts for the very rich are permanent.

Those that have that information are 4 square against it. Those that don't include some undecideds, i would guess.

[KPN]

11. And what segments of information would those be? I don't see it except for

higher income levels.

[ProfessorGAC]

12. Republican Commentators!

I heard it on Washington Journal both Saturday and Sunday, this weekend. In one case, there was a guy that to provide couternpoint. In the other it was just some "strategist".

The fact is, that in one version of the bill, there is a temporary cut for people making 60 to 120k. TEMPORARY. Phases out year by year over 9 years, until the actual marginal rate is the same but deductions evaporate, making the effective tax rate higher.

The only permanent cuts are to the top two tiers, and we all know who benefits the most from that.

Don't you remember the Mnuchin bit about being able to buy a car? Then it turned out that the cut amounted to around 900 bucks if you make the median household income. That was all over DU at the time. I'm positive you remember that.

Well, since we had that discussion here, somebody had to have mentioned it and made it public knowledge.

Now, it turns out to be BS. I know that. You know that. Not everyone knows that.

[KPN]

13. I guess I'm a cycnic. It strikes me that some so-called

Democrats may happily look forward to a tax cut, however permanent it is or not. And those would be the ones in higher income brackets.

They are DINOs, not Democrats in my opinion.

I'm not convinced it's the source of information or their actual knowledge/lack thereof about the bill.

[ProfessorGAC]

14. I'm Confused

Anybody who disagrees is a DINO? Am i getting that right?

Somebody who has limited knowledge of what is really in the bill favors it or is unsure because all they know is their taxes are going down, and they can't be a democrat?

Seems a pretty tough standard.

Nobody LIKES to pay taxes. Some of us with decent incomes don't like it either. But we see the reality of it and the need and we just pay them and STFU about it. But nobody says "Oh boy, it's time to pay income taxes!" I don't complain because i get it.

But, somebody who doesn't complain, and then just hears they're getting a cut, thinks that is a good thing and therefore shows support for it can still be a democrat. They're just underinformed.

[KPN]

16. No, I am saying that ... based on my own interactions with people

who I know are registered Democrats, I would not be surprised if some knowledgeable Ds might actually favor the personal tax cut they perceive they would get from the bill as is. I have D acquaintances who are prone to saying they are socially liberal but fully conservative.

Tying this back to the poll numbers -- I am just trying to make sense of them. To me they are flabbergasting. ... When I see those poll numbers, and knowing how much info/reporting is out there on the tax bill -- almost all of it negative -- I just have to wonder.

And yes, in my view anybody who understands this bill fully, supports it and claims to be Democrat is a DINO in my view. I know there are folks who are uninformed and don't pay attention, but I'm skeptical that the 42% of Ds who aren't opposed to the bill are all uninformed.

Does that help?

[ProfessorGAC]

17. We Agree In Your Third Paragraph

Anybody who supports this bill and knows what it really does, is not a democrat, namely or otherwise. If they say they're a dem, they're not a DINO, they're a liar.

I'm still not as confident as you that the undecideds actually know more than what they hear in 5 second sound bites.

That's been the problem with our social compact for the last 25 years or more. Commoditized news.

[wiggs]

15. As a nation, we have shown ourselves to be defenseless against lies, polarization, hate,

and propaganda. The gop has dressed up a donkey and are selling it as a thoroughbred. Plain to see. It is a complete fiction, yet we are unable -- all of us on the whole -- to discuss/process it in a reasonable way and come to some sort of consensus. The lie survives.

Is it just polarization that's been decades in the deliberate making?

Is it that our dem leaders aren't able to spread the truth as effectively as the other side spreads the lies? Why is that? Aside from a few designated congresspersons are the dems taking to the airwaves as vigorously?

Is it the daily waves of tabloid news from the WH and elsewhere? The daily gaff that needs most of the air time?

Is it our tendency to just deal with current debate in a vacuum, somehow pretending that for 40 years the gop and some dems have been concentrating wealth and power in the hands of fewer and fewer people globally?

A lie like that which could negatively affect 99% of the country should be killed off the moment it entered the body of public discourse. But it has lived for decades, waiting for a moment when we are especially defenseless. The message that this tax plan solves no problems but creates many more problems should be easy to craft and discuss. The public is beginning to turn, but the gop has found ways to consistently disregard popular opinion in favor of donor opinion. (That, too, needs discussion. We are near the point where public opinion doesn't matter)

The tax plan is horrendous and the ramifications will include cuts to needed programs, increased inequality, more instability, increases to costs of living for the bottom 99%. Hopefully people will realize that sooner or later. BUT...this overall inability to see problems generally, discuss them as a nation, and come up with reasonable solutions is even more dangerous. THAT'S a problem we need to address too, as a priority.

(Despite the tone...I'm hopeful the media and dem leaders will be able to expose the gop in time to avert this upward transfer of wealth/tax plan. I want to see people like Steyer and Feinstein and Harris take out full page ads and appear not just on msnbc but also MSM outlets to reach EVERYONE)