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TomCADem

(17,390 posts)
Mon Dec 4, 2017, 05:11 PM Dec 2017

White House Staffers Worry Trump Is Spiraling Out of Control

Source: Vanity Fair

Although no moment would have been opportune for Michael Flynn, Donald Trump’s former national security adviser, to plead guilty to lying to the F.B.I. and agree to cooperate with special counsel Robert Mueller, last week was a particularly bad time for the news to come to light. Flynn’s plea deal happened to top off a week in which the president seemed to become increasingly belligerent, repeating outright lies to his inner circle, and reportedly convincing himself that he is immune to backlash, either political or legal.

It was perhaps the sense that he could “operate with impunity” that motivated Trump’s delayed response to Flynn’s indictment on Saturday, when he tweeted what seemed like a damning confession—an impression his lawyers quickly moved to quash, with John Dowd taking responsibility for the tweet’s contents. Whether Dowd sent the tweet or not, however, was only the public manifestation of the crippling paranoia that is reportedly setting in behind the scenes at the White House, as well as the growing sense that Trump is spiraling out of control.

Politico reported on Sunday that staffers are increasingly unable to limit Trump’s ability to consume information—it is near impossible, one said, to prevent him from watching television—and Trump’s allies worry that White House lawyer Ty Cobb’s repeated promise that the probe will be over soon is “divorced from reality.” “There’s no quarterback. . . . They’re literally making it up as they go along,” a person close to the White House told Politico, describing the lack of any containment strategy. “We’re in very dangerous territory.”

Caught in the center of this Trump maelstrom is John Kelly, the former general-turned-chief of staff, brought in earlier this year to stabilize a warring West Wing and restrain the president from his worst impulses. Part of his initial strategy involved limiting the information that ended up in front of Trump, from news sources to people, even going so far as to reportedly keep Trump from entering the dining room at Mar-a-Lago. That worked—to a point. Several of Trump’s confidants outside the White House told The Wall Street Journal that now, if they wanted to get in touch with him, they simply call his wife, Melania Trump, and ask her to pass on messages to the president. “If I don’t want to wait 24 hours for a call . . . getting to Melania is much easier,” said one such confidant. Trump has also taken to asking his aides not to tell Kelly about his private phone calls (a request they declined at least once), and apparently has free reign on Twitter. “Believe it or not, I don’t follow the tweets,” Kelly said recently.

Read more: https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.vanityfair.com/news/2017/12/donald-trump-michael-flynn-russia-tweets/amp

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White House Staffers Worry Trump Is Spiraling Out of Control (Original Post) TomCADem Dec 2017 OP
As long as SS, Medicare, Medicaid, CHIP , ACA and food assistance and natl parks Eliot Rosewater Dec 2017 #1
Dismantling the New Deal hibbing Dec 2017 #13
As long as they keep him locked up & crazy, they can Alice11111 Dec 2017 #29
To lie to the American people is simply to show contempt to the those who you serve. Doodley Dec 2017 #2
Excellent point progree Dec 2017 #17
Were in very dangerous territory. mobeau69 Dec 2017 #3
Bet he fires the missiles at NK the day that one of the drumpfs are indicted. lark Dec 2017 #6
Suspend the Constitution? BBG Dec 2017 #23
Do you think therefore that leaders of other nations should take pre-emptive action? Doodley Dec 2017 #24
No, I don't. lark Dec 2017 #36
I've been thinking that for a year. Just like he told Alice11111 Dec 2017 #30
And earlier today Lindsey Graham announced that U.S. military dependents... Laffy Kat Dec 2017 #28
Yes, I was aware of that when I posted above. mobeau69 Dec 2017 #35
Dotard spiraling out of control? MontanaMama Dec 2017 #4
I call BULLSHIT Angry Dragon Dec 2017 #5
This message was self-deleted by its author jb5150 Dec 2017 #7
This message was self-deleted by its author marble falls Dec 2017 #9
I get the analogy but you may want to self delete populistdriven Dec 2017 #11
Sometimes the heat of the moment clouds one's judgement. You said it right. marble falls Dec 2017 #15
They aren't worried a bit, they freaking celebrate it. marble falls Dec 2017 #8
Excuse me. ananda Dec 2017 #10
On the day he was born. Doodley Dec 2017 #25
I am fairly certain we've seen this title before. EllieBC Dec 2017 #12
I would say worried has spiraled out of control but otherwise agree Justice Dec 2017 #14
"It was perhaps the sense that he could 'operate with impunity'" BumRushDaShow Dec 2017 #16
Yep. He "took a lot of money out of Atlantic City," and Alice11111 Dec 2017 #31
Really, they're only alarmed about him spiralling out of control, but the damage is okay? ffr Dec 2017 #18
This title shows up too much... charliea Dec 2017 #19
Donald That Screeching Noise Is The Walls Closing In SeaDoo77 Dec 2017 #20
. eleny Dec 2017 #22
Yeah, well, I think he's crazy like a fox eleny Dec 2017 #21
If they're unable to check his consumption of media... Salviati Dec 2017 #26
More bacon for the Chief Pig Rollo Dec 2017 #37
I don't believe those staffers give a rat's ass what Trump does or doesn't do. Solly Mack Dec 2017 #27
Exactly. Many turned him down. You didn't have to be too Alice11111 Dec 2017 #33
What have we come to where the biggest challenge in the White House is... Rollo Dec 2017 #32
Every couple of days JustAnotherGen Dec 2017 #34
Trump has been showing signs of senility for some time Gothmog Dec 2017 #38

Eliot Rosewater

(31,121 posts)
1. As long as SS, Medicare, Medicaid, CHIP , ACA and food assistance and natl parks
Mon Dec 4, 2017, 05:14 PM
Dec 2017

and on and on and on are DESTROYED

They dont care if he loses his fucking mind.

Mission accomplished destroying America, making the internet NOT free, and NONE of this happens if there are not thousands of lies told about Hillary.

hibbing

(10,109 posts)
13. Dismantling the New Deal
Mon Dec 4, 2017, 06:18 PM
Dec 2017

Gives all these evil fwads a wet dream. I think of where my parents would have been without these programs. I guess I'll find out myself.


Peace

Alice11111

(5,730 posts)
29. As long as they keep him locked up & crazy, they can
Tue Dec 5, 2017, 01:58 AM
Dec 2017

continue to rob the poor to pay for the rich, and to dismantle the values our country used to stand for.

Doodley

(9,124 posts)
2. To lie to the American people is simply to show contempt to the those who you serve.
Mon Dec 4, 2017, 05:16 PM
Dec 2017

To repeat those lies as if they are the truth to one's inner circle is to prove beyond any doubt that you are delusional.

progree

(10,918 posts)
17. Excellent point
Mon Dec 4, 2017, 07:24 PM
Dec 2017
To repeat those lies as if they are the truth to one's inner circle is to prove beyond any doubt that you are delusional

lark

(23,156 posts)
6. Bet he fires the missiles at NK the day that one of the drumpfs are indicted.
Mon Dec 4, 2017, 05:24 PM
Dec 2017

Someone (Sessions, Pompeo?) will give him a heads up and he'll do it and when NK fires back a nuke, he suspends the constitution. The only way this won't happen is if generals know aobut it and refuse to sign off on the strike, which is very very unlikely. These can't be good dudes or drumpf would not have picked them. Remember when people thought Kelly was one of the good guys, until he showed his true racist hater colors. Bet the same is true for McMasters and head of Joint chiefs.

lark

(23,156 posts)
36. No, I don't.
Tue Dec 5, 2017, 10:57 AM
Dec 2017

Russia's pre-emptive actions have already put in place our planned destruction, don't want them to win any more.

I think US leaders should stand up and up to this traitor and put him in jail where he belongs, only most of them are part of the plot for destruction of our constitution, and middle class. Mueller is our only hope or votes will be rigged even worse and our days as a democracy are over.

Alice11111

(5,730 posts)
30. I've been thinking that for a year. Just like he told
Tue Dec 5, 2017, 02:06 AM
Dec 2017

Manafort, when he was cussing him out, if I go down, everyone does. It is not a good thing to back him into a corner. Hopefully, he can resign and claim too much winning or his lawyers negotiate something. The satisfaction of getting him is not worth risking a nuclear holocaust. I'm sure Mueller has thought of that.

Laffy Kat

(16,386 posts)
28. And earlier today Lindsey Graham announced that U.S. military dependents...
Tue Dec 5, 2017, 01:32 AM
Dec 2017

Should start evacuating S. Korea. Yep.

mobeau69

(11,156 posts)
35. Yes, I was aware of that when I posted above.
Tue Dec 5, 2017, 09:52 AM
Dec 2017

If Dotard launches strikes on NK targets I can see NK attacking Seoul or crossing the DMZ or both and then it's on. This is scary.

MontanaMama

(23,337 posts)
4. Dotard spiraling out of control?
Mon Dec 4, 2017, 05:19 PM
Dec 2017

He's been out of control since day one. I doubt any of these ass hats worry one bit about him or more importantly, their country.

Response to TomCADem (Original post)

Response to jb5150 (Reply #7)

populistdriven

(5,644 posts)
11. I get the analogy but you may want to self delete
Mon Dec 4, 2017, 05:51 PM
Dec 2017

At the very least it is in bad taste; and it is certainly insensitive. i.e. if I were an exotic entertainer the implied derision would definitely make me feel unwelcome and prejudged.

BumRushDaShow

(129,450 posts)
16. "It was perhaps the sense that he could 'operate with impunity'"
Mon Dec 4, 2017, 07:09 PM
Dec 2017

There is no "sense". There is FACT. For the past 45+ years, he HAS "operated with impunity" with absolutely no consequences, so why should he assume things will turn out any different this time? "

Alice11111

(5,730 posts)
31. Yep. He "took a lot of money out of Atlantic City," and
Tue Dec 5, 2017, 02:11 AM
Dec 2017

left behind unpaid workers and took several bankruptcies. He was so proud to state that.

ffr

(22,671 posts)
18. Really, they're only alarmed about him spiralling out of control, but the damage is okay?
Mon Dec 4, 2017, 08:06 PM
Dec 2017

What about the lives of millions of Americans he's ruining, all to exact revenge on 66 million voters who voted for the popular vote victor, Hillary Clinton.

I hope Bubba has a good time with them.

Lock them up.

charliea

(260 posts)
19. This title shows up too much...
Mon Dec 4, 2017, 08:10 PM
Dec 2017

Maybe it's true but this title, or something similar, has been showing up for a while now in this and other forums. While I fervently hope it's true, and that Dowd will resign for 'his' poorly thought out pResidential tweet, Politico is weak source to hang your hopes on.

Mueller
Aint
Goin'
Away

Resist!

 

SeaDoo77

(540 posts)
20. Donald That Screeching Noise Is The Walls Closing In
Mon Dec 4, 2017, 08:11 PM
Dec 2017

They are like 3 inches from your nose if you haven't noticed.

You, and your spawn will be locked up soon.

Merry Xmas.

eleny

(46,166 posts)
21. Yeah, well, I think he's crazy like a fox
Mon Dec 4, 2017, 08:13 PM
Dec 2017

It'll be his get out of jail card if the truth comes out and his ass is grass.

Salviati

(6,008 posts)
26. If they're unable to check his consumption of media...
Tue Dec 5, 2017, 01:20 AM
Dec 2017

Perhaps one way to solve their problem is to up his consumption of Big Macs and Fish Filets, and let nature take its course...

Solly Mack

(90,785 posts)
27. I don't believe those staffers give a rat's ass what Trump does or doesn't do.
Tue Dec 5, 2017, 01:22 AM
Dec 2017

If anything is to be trusted about what those staffers think or don't think, it's this - if they are speaking to reporters about their supposed concerns, it's only to get out ahead of anything negative coming back on them.

If Trump goes down - they tried. They showed they were worried. They voiced their concerns.

If he doesn't - it all goes away - their so-called worries forgotten because there is no need to cover their asses by pretending they are alarmed by his behavior.

Otherwise - they'd quit.

If they were the least bit decent, they would have never taken a job in the WH under Trump.

Alice11111

(5,730 posts)
33. Exactly. Many turned him down. You didn't have to be too
Tue Dec 5, 2017, 02:32 AM
Dec 2017

bright to see that getting involved with him was toxic.
He even had trouble finding legal representation. He is a lawyer's nightmare. He is what the Bar and malpractice companies tell you to stay away from...out of control client, plus, he is known for stiffing everyone, including his lawyers. They probably took a lot of his assets as collateral. He will try to bankrupt them out again, and he will claim he is a really, really smart guy. Believe me. Believe me. Remember when he said he hadn't paid taxes because he was smart, in the debates?

Plus, the establishment Repubs would prefer Pence or Ryan anyway, which is one reason Wall Street rallies as long as it gets tax cuts and deregulation. It wanted to get those done so that there wouldn't be an interruption, but the rich mostly don't care whether it is Trump or Pence. He does have that loyal base..."Jews will not replace us."
They may start a revolution, or they say they will. I think they will fall in line eventually.

Rollo

(2,559 posts)
32. What have we come to where the biggest challenge in the White House is...
Tue Dec 5, 2017, 02:30 AM
Dec 2017

... to keep the President from watching television?

JustAnotherGen

(31,886 posts)
34. Every couple of days
Tue Dec 5, 2017, 06:31 AM
Dec 2017

We read or hear of this. It's tiring.

His staff can't be counted on to woman up/man up and do the right thing. They are just as evil as It is.

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