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DonViejo

(60,536 posts)
Sun Dec 24, 2017, 10:46 AM Dec 2017

Kim Wants 'Non-Socialist' Influence Out Of North Korea

Source: Newsweek Magazine




KIM JONG UN WANTS NORTH KOREA TO LOSE ALL 'NON-SOCIALIST' INFLUENCE, SHOWING TIGHTER GRIP ON NATION

BY JASON SILVERSTEIN ON 12/24/17 AT 8:57 AM

North Korean leader Kim Jong Un called Saturday for government officials to eliminate any remaining “non-socialist” parts of society, showing him tightening his grip on the oppressive nation as he combats sanctions and ever-rising tensions with the United States and other adversaries.

Speaking to a group of chairpersons for the country’s ruling Workers’ Party, Kim said all party members should join the “revolutionary offensive to uproot non-socialist practices” and educate working people to become “revolutionaries” who will defend North Korean culture from outside influence.

“When our socialist culture and art prevails over the corrupt bourgeois reactionary culture, it is possible for people not to harbor illusions about the enemies' culture but to prevent ideological and cultural poisoning by the imperialists,” Kim said, according to the state-run KCNA news agency.

Kim said that although the party faced “manifold difficulties and hardships in the ways ahead,” the party should feel confident in its control of citizens, and he said there would be “more new projects for the people” in the future, though he did not give details.

Read more: http://www.newsweek.com/kim-jong-un-socialist-north-korea-influence-758235

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Kim Wants 'Non-Socialist' Influence Out Of North Korea (Original Post) DonViejo Dec 2017 OP
Oh, my. This sounds literally dreadful for those to be "rooted out" Hortensis Dec 2017 #1
Greater centralized control over food production & distribution means more starvation. . . nt Bernardo de La Paz Dec 2017 #2
Deja vu. Another "Arduous March" coming soon dalton99a Dec 2017 #3
North Koreans Turbineguy Dec 2017 #4
It's all the meth their Dear Leader gives them. n/t christx30 Dec 2017 #5
I've seen their state art and culture MountCleaners Dec 2017 #6
Their gov, people are worse off after the Korean war & decades of walling. tear down the blockades. Sunlei Dec 2017 #11
What relevance is the Qin chariot to North Korea? Marengo Dec 2017 #12
That suggests things aren't as stable in NK as Fat Boy might like Lurks Often Dec 2017 #7
change Kims name to Republicans name and about the same story in current USA. Sunlei Dec 2017 #8
This !!! Wuddles440 Dec 2017 #9
Not even remotely oberliner Dec 2017 #14
He's got a kindred spirit in Venezuela's Nick Maduro GatoGordo Dec 2017 #10
Non-Socialists influence out of North Korea...well that means... Xolodno Dec 2017 #13
Nothing socialist about North Korea? oberliner Dec 2017 #15
Heh! Knew our rare short agreement would be....short lived on another thread... Xolodno Dec 2017 #16
Huh? oberliner Dec 2017 #17
Here is an explanation. Sophia4 Dec 2017 #18
There is no private ownership in North Korea, thus, its not socialist. Xolodno Dec 2017 #22
Forgot one thing... Xolodno Dec 2017 #23
It is my understanding that, in response to food shortages, a number of small produce markets have.. Rollo Dec 2017 #19
Message auto-removed Name removed Dec 2017 #20
I wonder what happened jmowreader Dec 2017 #21

MountCleaners

(1,148 posts)
6. I've seen their state art and culture
Sun Dec 24, 2017, 01:19 PM
Dec 2017

It's constant propaganda about their great leader. Very disturbing. I watched a number of documentaries on it on YouTube. They even have to listen to and sing patriotic songs at work.

Sunlei

(22,651 posts)
11. Their gov, people are worse off after the Korean war & decades of walling. tear down the blockades.
Sun Dec 24, 2017, 03:35 PM
Dec 2017

Ancient culture with centuries of art and trade all the way through China across the entire of Russia.



The Qin bronze chariot is a two-piece Qin dynasty bronze artifact.

 

Lurks Often

(5,455 posts)
7. That suggests things aren't as stable in NK as Fat Boy might like
Sun Dec 24, 2017, 01:59 PM
Dec 2017

and that there might be some unrest among the people. If true, expect more people being executed.

Sunlei

(22,651 posts)
8. change Kims name to Republicans name and about the same story in current USA.
Sun Dec 24, 2017, 02:14 PM
Dec 2017

Though we have more prisoners, we keep them alive & suffering much longer and we pay some of USA prison slaves $1 a day.

 

GatoGordo

(2,412 posts)
10. He's got a kindred spirit in Venezuela's Nick Maduro
Sun Dec 24, 2017, 02:58 PM
Dec 2017

The last vestiges of democracy have been eliminated in Venezuela. They are not even trying to pretend any longer.

Xolodno

(6,395 posts)
13. Non-Socialists influence out of North Korea...well that means...
Mon Dec 25, 2017, 12:48 AM
Dec 2017

..."Lil Kim" and his entourage needs to vacate North Korea. There is nothing socialist or even communist about North Korea...its a dictatorship under the guise of something "legitimate".

 

oberliner

(58,724 posts)
15. Nothing socialist about North Korea?
Mon Dec 25, 2017, 01:27 AM
Dec 2017

North Korea is actually the most prominent example of a socialist economy in the world today. The economy is entirely state-controlled.

Xolodno

(6,395 posts)
16. Heh! Knew our rare short agreement would be....short lived on another thread...
Mon Dec 25, 2017, 04:06 AM
Dec 2017

No, North Korea is not a socialist economy. A socialist economy "controls" the factors of production, via direct control or via regulation. Now the latter some will call it "regulated capitalism"...I call it, pig shit. Because, how in the Sheol can you have government effect significantly in the factors of production and not call it socialism? But in the end, you still have private property, private business, private farms, etc. So Scandinavia and many Western/Central European nations are technically...let me say that dirty word...Socialist.

In Communism...you have communal farms, communal businesses, communal property, etc. If its a centralized command economy, then the state owns factors of production and ALL property, capital, etc., which in my view, is extremely inefficient. However, in the USA, there are examples of "communism" existing in the free market via communal farms for example, but guarantee you, they will never admit that they are practicing "local" communism. Even then, I think its a bad system...well, for at least our human development at this time.

But North Korea has one common, all to often of a system...totalitarianism. In other words, what the fat guy wants, he gets. There is no system per se. A guy named Adolf called his system National Socialism.....only thing, there was nothing socialist about it. Much like the Democratic Peoples Republic of Korea...is democratic or republic.

 

oberliner

(58,724 posts)
17. Huh?
Mon Dec 25, 2017, 04:32 AM
Dec 2017

North Korea is a socialist economy. It is a totalitarian state as well. As a result of the corrupt nature of the state, the socialist economy does not function properly.

There is no country in Scandinavia that identifies itself as socialist. They are all market economies.

Xolodno

(6,395 posts)
22. There is no private ownership in North Korea, thus, its not socialist.
Mon Dec 25, 2017, 05:10 PM
Dec 2017

Again, socialist nations exert control of the factors of production, but not over private property. Even in Karl Marx's lousy philosophical book called the "Communist Manifesto" he states clearly, Capitalism ended Mercantilism, after Capitalism, Socialism would evolve and the next economic evolution would be Communism.

Now if you want to disagree with that, feel free to do so. I've given up a long time ago trying to point out the different intricacies in economic systems. I can't teach years of economic history, thought, theory, etc. in a few simple sentences.

But, hey, were back to disagreeing with each other...the world is right again.

Xolodno

(6,395 posts)
23. Forgot one thing...
Mon Dec 25, 2017, 06:02 PM
Dec 2017

I'm using source material of Marx, Smith, Ricardo, Keynes, etc. I'm well aware of "branding" the Nordic Model of "regulated capitalism", however I will defer to John Maynard Keynes who suggested the idea of Bancor, an international currency traded between only nations, "everyone will like the idea of Bancor, once its no longer called Bancor". Likewise, everyone will like the idea of socialism...when its not called socialism. If semantics are the obstruction to a better and more equitable economic system, then fine, change the stupid name, lets just get there already damn it.

Rollo

(2,559 posts)
19. It is my understanding that, in response to food shortages, a number of small produce markets have..
Mon Dec 25, 2017, 05:34 AM
Dec 2017

sprung up across North Korea. The local authorities look the other way, I suppose, at this grassroots phenomenon.

But since it has been publicized outside NK, maybe Kim blew his top and wants them eliminated.

Response to DonViejo (Original post)

jmowreader

(50,560 posts)
21. I wonder what happened
Mon Dec 25, 2017, 01:21 PM
Dec 2017

North Korea’s policy has always been to repudiate words like socialist and communist. They much prefer “Juche” and “principles of Juche.” It means self-reliance and they think of it as perfected socialism...”socialist” economies always collapse because they are not built on strong frameworks, but Juche is immortal.

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