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riversedge

(70,293 posts)
Mon Jan 8, 2018, 07:52 PM Jan 2018

Trump Overstates Size of Tax Cuts in Speech to Farmers

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Michael D. Shear and Jim Tankersley



NASHVILLE —............................................

Declaring that the “American dream is roaring back to life,” Mr. Trump — who has made clear that he likes big numbers — claimed that the tax overhaul cut taxes by $5.5 trillion when, in fact, the legislation will reduce the overall tax burden on individuals and companies over the next decade by $1.5 trillion, or $4 trillion less than what he cited.
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Mr. Trump apparently chose to highlight just one side of the ledger — the total amount of tax reductions in the bill that he signed in December — without counting the amount of taxes that were increased in the same legislation to help pay for the bill. White House officials declined to respond to questions about the president’s $5.5 trillion figure.

The new law cut taxes on businesses and individuals but also eliminated many breaks that companies and families rely on to lower their tax burden, effectively raising taxes on some. For instance, while the tax bill cut the corporate rate to 21 percent from 35 percent, it also eliminated several business tax breaks, including one used by some farmers. The bill also scaled back many individual tax breaks, such as the state and local tax deduction and the mortgage interest deduction, to help keep the overall cost of the bill to $1.5 trillion.

The inaccurate boast was part of a speech in which the president sought to underscore the benefits that middle-class families would receive as part of the tax overhaul, which he described as “massive tax cuts” after “years of crushing taxes, crippling regulations and corrupt politics.” To applause from thousands of farmers in the audience, Mr. Trump said the tax cut would exempt most family farms from the estate tax.


In reality, only about 80 small businesses and farms would fall under the estate-tax tent this year, according to the nonpartisan Tax Policy Center. The new law, which exempts more estates from the tax, will primarily benefit the richest Americans...........................

Read more: https://www.nytimes.com/2018/01/08/us/politics/trump-tax-cuts-farmers-speech.html?hp&action=click&pgtype=Homepage&clickSource=story-heading&module=first-column-region&region=top-news&WT.nav=top-news



Whow--trump 'overstates' by 4 trillion dollars!! Wish someone in the audience had called him out on his LIE!




President Trump spoke on Monday to the American Farm Bureau Federation’s annual convention in Nashville. Doug Mills/The New York Times
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Trump Overstates Size of Tax Cuts in Speech to Farmers (Original Post) riversedge Jan 2018 OP
Just like the size of his hands. Cattledog Jan 2018 #1
Bazinga! My first thought, you beat me to it. George II Jan 2018 #10
NO!! dicksmc3 Jan 2018 #18
BREAKING NEWS---Trump is a lying sack of shit. (NT) louis c Jan 2018 #2
Farm Bureau is notoriously rightwing UpInArms Jan 2018 #3
Indeed, these deplorables loved, "Oh are you lucky you voted for me," L. Coyote Jan 2018 #13
You wait till the GOP guts the Farm Bill this year BumRushDaShow Jan 2018 #4
Trump has all but snuffed out the American Dream bucolic_frolic Jan 2018 #5
Trump is well on his way to over 2000 lies in his first year Gothmog Jan 2018 #6
Tom Vilsak, Obama's Ag Secretary, was on NPR this afternoon and said... TreasonousBastard Jan 2018 #7
The crowd did not look happy to be there left-of-center2012 Jan 2018 #8
They were probably told to be there, just as they were told to clap: George II Jan 2018 #11
eyes roll. riversedge Jan 2018 #15
the idiots who clap like seals for this fucking con man Skittles Jan 2018 #9
A big string of YUUUUGE lies. L. Coyote Jan 2018 #12
Thats not an overstatement its an outright lie. cstanleytech Jan 2018 #14
I hope to have the privilege.... Toorich Jan 2018 #16
It's possible FakeNoose Jan 2018 #17

L. Coyote

(51,129 posts)
13. Indeed, these deplorables loved, "Oh are you lucky you voted for me,"
Mon Jan 8, 2018, 10:33 PM
Jan 2018

Birds of a feather these all. They are the wealthy farmers and corporate ag. Loudest applause for estate tax change.




BumRushDaShow

(129,399 posts)
4. You wait till the GOP guts the Farm Bill this year
Mon Jan 8, 2018, 08:00 PM
Jan 2018

and not only takes away SNAP, but guts all those subsidies to corporate farmers so they can continue to pay for the 1% (non-farmers).

bucolic_frolic

(43,261 posts)
5. Trump has all but snuffed out the American Dream
Mon Jan 8, 2018, 08:00 PM
Jan 2018

Every norm, policy, program, institution is under severe stress or has already been trashed by Trump.

TreasonousBastard

(43,049 posts)
7. Tom Vilsak, Obama's Ag Secretary, was on NPR this afternoon and said...
Mon Jan 8, 2018, 08:03 PM
Jan 2018

basically that Trump is full of shit. But we knew that.

More specifically, he did say Democrats should spend more time actually listening to farmers, but we are way ahead of Trump.

Our farm exports are doing well, except for a few problems with Canada, but farmers don't want tax breaks-- they want markets.

Toorich

(391 posts)
16. I hope to have the privilege....
Tue Jan 9, 2018, 11:33 AM
Jan 2018

of seeing the Impeachment. However, I fear that there will be a "plea bargain" wherein a 25th Amendment solution will used to allow Trump and his family to escape prosecution. Something similar to the exile imposed on Napoleon's family members who had been placed on various thrones during his reign.

FakeNoose

(32,737 posts)
17. It's possible
Tue Jan 9, 2018, 11:47 AM
Jan 2018

However the 25th Amendment provides for removing an unfit President if the President's Cabinet votes to have him removed. I think it's a 2/3 majority or possibly 3/4 majority. Trump has stacked the Cabinet with people who have sworn their loyalty to him, not to the Constitution. Are these people going to vote to have him removed? It's not likely, since it means they'll lose their jobs too.

Impeachment would be a different action of course, and also more politically motivated.

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