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brooklynite

(94,693 posts)
Thu Jan 25, 2018, 03:52 PM Jan 2018

The Trumps asked to borrow a Van Gogh for the White House. The Guggenheim offered an 18K gold toilet

Source: Washington Post

The emailed response from the Guggenheim’s chief curator to the White House was polite but firm: the museum could not accommodate a request to “borrow” a painting by Vincent Van Gogh for President and Melania Trump’s private living quarters.

Instead, wrote the curator, Nancy Spector, another piece was available, one that was nothing like “Landscape With Snow,” the lovely 1888 Van Gogh rendering of a man in a black hat walking along a path in Arles with his dog.

The curator’s alternative: an 18-karat, fully functioning, solid gold toilet - an interactive work entitled “America” that critics have described as pointed satire aimed at the excess of wealth in this country.





Read more: https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/dc-politics/the-white-house-wanted-a-van-gogh-the-guggenheim-offered-a-used-solid-gold-toilet/2018/01/25/38d574fc-0154-11e8-bb03-722769454f82_story.html

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The Trumps asked to borrow a Van Gogh for the White House. The Guggenheim offered an 18K gold toilet (Original Post) brooklynite Jan 2018 OP
He would never lower himself to use that... SeattleVet Jan 2018 #1
And I bet his personal bidets all have massaging jets and lazy-boy "help-me-ups" erronis Jan 2018 #11
Why? MFM008 Jan 2018 #46
Excellent! SergeStorms Jan 2018 #69
🤣 BlancheSplanchnik Jan 2018 #101
For me, 18 karat would be fine... dchill Jan 2018 #20
Yea, Walmart has only 10 karat. LakeArenal Jan 2018 #42
Are they..... SergeStorms Jan 2018 #85
As the wife of an apartment maintenance man... I get it LakeArenal Jan 2018 #92
LoL!! BlancheSplanchnik Jan 2018 #100
That gold commode would be PERFECT Plucketeer Jan 2018 #2
I believe the correct terminology for that treatment Grammy23 Jan 2018 #24
I didn't think about the hair! Plucketeer Jan 2018 #82
That's assuming it is not a toupee. cstanleytech Jan 2018 #98
I think it's called a "Tronald Dump" flibbitygiblets Jan 2018 #96
Priceless alwaysinasnit Jan 2018 #3
Seriously whopis01 Jan 2018 #52
Cozy. colorado_ufo Jan 2018 #56
Yeah, looks like a Saddam Hussein special dhol82 Jan 2018 #81
Is that an actual picture of the penthouse? xxqqqzme Jan 2018 #89
Trump Washington DC Internationall Hotel, 1100 Penn. Ave., opened Oct. 2016 appalachiablue Jan 2018 #93
Maybe just a little more gold... True_Blue Jan 2018 #91
Yes it is to sedate. Oppaloopa Jan 2018 #94
BURN lunasun Jan 2018 #4
Indeed underpants Jan 2018 #6
Ahahaha! sakabatou Jan 2018 #5
Why don't they bring some fine art from Trump Tower to the WH? sinkingfeeling Jan 2018 #7
The gold toilet probably IS from tRump Tower... SeattleVet Jan 2018 #8
Good point! But after passing through several LLC/LLP/501C/offshore to maximize benefits. erronis Jan 2018 #12
Why not just ask the dump for a gold-encrusted memento of his excellence? erronis Jan 2018 #15
Cute joke - and he's probably walking around with his unfinished movement in his pants. George II Jan 2018 #25
Like their two FAKE Renoirs Trump insists (even brags) are real stuffmatters Jan 2018 #33
Might it be possible that he would just keep it GeoWilliam750 Jan 2018 #70
That's what I thought. fierywoman Jan 2018 #72
!!! orangecrush Jan 2018 #9
SH!T HOLE onetexan Jan 2018 #10
Indeed. Love it iluvtennis Jan 2018 #37
Does Google have a record of Melania googling "Maurizio Cattelan toilet" L. Coyote Jan 2018 #13
I have that painting Clarity2 Jan 2018 #14
Why would he even want that lovely painting? It doesn't seem his style. LisaM Jan 2018 #16
I found it strange as well PatSeg Jan 2018 #22
My thoughts also LeftInTX Jan 2018 #23
Yes, they want van Gogh because van Gogh is expen$ive MountCleaners Jan 2018 #53
I think you are exactly right psychopomp Jan 2018 #66
Status. George II Jan 2018 #26
Melania probably wants it. It's very peaceful, probably reminds her of her childhood. haele Jan 2018 #27
Absolutely! FuzzyRabbit Jan 2018 #36
Likely right about that. I sympathize with what should Hortensis Jan 2018 #74
He Read On The Back RobinA Jan 2018 #60
The Van Gogh is wonderful. Cracklin Charlie Jan 2018 #17
LOL chwaliszewski Jan 2018 #18
Well-played, Guggenheim... malthaussen Jan 2018 #19
I'm so embarrassed to be American these days. TeapotInATempest Jan 2018 #21
Would it automatically gold plate his shits? 47of74 Jan 2018 #28
He needs to keep his grubby little orange hands off of the Detroit Institute of Arts as well FrodosNewPet Jan 2018 #29
Was that the inspiration for xxqqqzme Jan 2018 #90
That is beautiful. I think I'll see if I can drum up a large group to go and Squinch Jan 2018 #30
Only Trump would have the gall to ask for one of the world's greatest paintings to be removed from TeamPooka Jan 2018 #31
That was the shocking bit. muriel_volestrangler Jan 2018 #39
And heaven forbid forgotmylogin Jan 2018 #48
Its what hitler did with Europes great art TeamPooka Jan 2018 #57
It was probably Melania's idea for the painting. Trump would probably take the gold toilet! LiberalLovinLug Jan 2018 #32
Trumps loves dog paintings. He would have put it next to his treasured original of... FailureToCommunicate Jan 2018 #34
Good for them.... Marie Marie Jan 2018 #35
Never. tavernier Jan 2018 #97
"an interactive work" -- LOL! KPN Jan 2018 #38
That's some funny shit right there! BadGimp Jan 2018 #40
We'll never know, of course, but wanna bet. . . matt819 Jan 2018 #41
I thought they were kidding! jmowreader Jan 2018 #43
Yep. My daughter and I saw it. progressoid Jan 2018 #45
This message was self-deleted by its author progressoid Jan 2018 #44
Tee hee! A shithole for the shithead in the Shit House. DinahMoeHum Jan 2018 #47
They were too kind .. I would have given him what goes inside it instead Le Gaucher Jan 2018 #49
Putin does have a gold toilet among a zillion other BigmanPigman Jan 2018 #50
ONION!! Angry Dragon Jan 2018 #51
Thats what I thought til I read the great LuckyLib Jan 2018 #78
He reportedly had a fake Renoir on his jet that he told everyone was real MLAA Jan 2018 #54
Jeez, talk about brass balls. 3catwoman3 Jan 2018 #55
When you gotta go, you gotta Gogh Mr. Ected Jan 2018 #58
18k makes sense Hassler Jan 2018 #59
They know better than to loan anything to the trumps. muntrv Jan 2018 #61
Gogh fuck yourself, Gump. John Fante Jan 2018 #62
Reminds me of an old joke MurrayDelph Jan 2018 #63
He is suppose to be rich. Demtexan Jan 2018 #64
Risky. Doubtful they'd get that back in pristine condition. tanyev Jan 2018 #65
Or a copy. Demtexan Jan 2018 #67
Oh, I meant the toilet. tanyev Jan 2018 #68
The perfect throne for his majesty Az_lefty Jan 2018 #71
The piece is called America. A gold rateyes Jan 2018 #73
It needs 18k toilet paper to match. YOHABLO Jan 2018 #75
Well, he has been shitting on 'America' for over a year...eom Maeve Jan 2018 #76
Too many things could be said but I'll shut my mouth! Kajun Gal Jan 2018 #77
I can't even believe this isn't a troll job by the Post ... mr_lebowski Jan 2018 #79
From the film, "Coming To America" TwistOneUp Jan 2018 #80
A golden toilet to go with the golden showers. nt progree Jan 2018 #83
dear god, no...just no... CTyankee Jan 2018 #84
The Guggenheim.... SergeStorms Jan 2018 #86
The Trumps are not entitled torius Jan 2018 #87
BAM! CRUNCH! EEE-YOW! KAPOW! KLONK! OOOFF! OWWW! POW! SPLATT! BootinUp Jan 2018 #88
Hopefully noone tells Trump quakerboy Jan 2018 #95
Donald like most Repugnants is so full of shit you would need a larger toilet than that. nt cstanleytech Jan 2018 #99
If it's read gold why doesn't it have a flusher for people.....weird... onecent Jan 2018 #102
The sheer audacity of the request pisses me off - for the PRIVATE residence bitterross Jan 2018 #103
A second tweeting throne for tRump CentralMass Jan 2018 #104
I saw this in the Post this morning. So appropriate! I doubt Trump will ever figure out the insult. Nitram Jan 2018 #105
Why would Trump want a Van Gogh samplegirl Jan 2018 #106
Replace it with a fake, then sell the original? radhika Jan 2018 #109
Buurrrrrrn. mahina Jan 2018 #107
You know he'd never return whatever they'd lend... radhika Jan 2018 #108
Why not a Piccaso? Butterflylady Jan 2018 #110
it was a perfect response! niyad Jan 2018 #111
one question--who ACTUALLY requested this masterpiece, because we know damned well niyad Jan 2018 #112
I guess they didn't have a golden shower head Alpeduez21 Jan 2018 #113

SeattleVet

(5,478 posts)
1. He would never lower himself to use that...
Thu Jan 25, 2018, 04:04 PM
Jan 2018

it's got to be 24 karat, or the massive ass doesn't touch it!

How *dare* they offer him something that has 25% of another metal other than gold in it!

Cheap bastards...sad!

erronis

(15,326 posts)
11. And I bet his personal bidets all have massaging jets and lazy-boy "help-me-ups"
Thu Jan 25, 2018, 04:15 PM
Jan 2018

I have total pity for the poor people that have to help that lazy boy wash his crack. Or do anything else at all!

 

Plucketeer

(12,882 posts)
2. That gold commode would be PERFECT
Thu Jan 25, 2018, 04:05 PM
Jan 2018

if we could use it to treat tRump to a sort of water-boarding in it. Maybe someone would lose track of time when his head was down in it one time!

Grammy23

(5,810 posts)
24. I believe the correct terminology for that treatment
Thu Jan 25, 2018, 04:45 PM
Jan 2018

is called a Swirlie. If by some stroke of luck, they sold tickets to see tRump get a Swirlie in the 18k gold plated can (my late father’s terminology for a toidy), I ‘d camp out for days to be first in line to get a ticket. Hell, just to see his hair after such treatment would be worth the price of admission.
 

Plucketeer

(12,882 posts)
82. I didn't think about the hair!
Thu Jan 25, 2018, 10:00 PM
Jan 2018

What if the "swirlie" somehow strangled Donnie with his own locks? THAT would be precious.

alwaysinasnit

(5,070 posts)
3. Priceless
Thu Jan 25, 2018, 04:06 PM
Jan 2018

tRump's need for ostentation (and any other loose screw he may have) might actually convince him to take up that offer (assuming that the curator was not pulling his leg).

appalachiablue

(41,168 posts)
93. Trump Washington DC Internationall Hotel, 1100 Penn. Ave., opened Oct. 2016
Fri Jan 26, 2018, 01:27 AM
Jan 2018

It's the Old Post Office Building, est. 1899, Richardson Revival Romanesque style, main DC PO, Historic Landmark Bldg.
The old Bell Tower with skyline city views is operated by the National Park Service.

It was 'The Pavilion' with retail shops & food court late 80s, 90s; we'd walk there for lunch sometimes. Quite a change!



https://www.trumphotels.com/washington-dc

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Old_Post_Office_(Washington,_D.C.)

SeattleVet

(5,478 posts)
8. The gold toilet probably IS from tRump Tower...
Thu Jan 25, 2018, 04:10 PM
Jan 2018

and on loan to the Guggenheim for a significant tax break.

erronis

(15,326 posts)
15. Why not just ask the dump for a gold-encrusted memento of his excellence?
Thu Jan 25, 2018, 04:19 PM
Jan 2018

This subject is just so ripe for commentary and I get easily carried away... Oh, my handlers are arriving not to do that.

Joke:
What's that lying on the bench after Beethoven finished the Pastoral?
His second movement.

L. Coyote

(51,129 posts)
13. Does Google have a record of Melania googling "Maurizio Cattelan toilet"
Thu Jan 25, 2018, 04:16 PM
Jan 2018



"Novecento, Maurizio Cattelan, 1997. Horse in taxidermy with sling,"

Clarity2

(1,009 posts)
14. I have that painting
Thu Jan 25, 2018, 04:17 PM
Jan 2018

At least I do now....I just printed it out on my color printer, and it's pretty damn impressive. I'm going to frame it.

Trumps, eat your heart out, and enjoy the toilet.

LisaM

(27,822 posts)
16. Why would he even want that lovely painting? It doesn't seem his style.
Thu Jan 25, 2018, 04:25 PM
Jan 2018

Not only does he seem impervious to fine art at all, this is a painting of a man with a dog, and from all accounts, Trump doesn't like pets.

It seems strange.

PatSeg

(47,564 posts)
22. I found it strange as well
Thu Jan 25, 2018, 04:41 PM
Jan 2018

Van Gogh hardly seems like Trump's taste. It sounds more like he's trying to impress someone.

MountCleaners

(1,148 posts)
53. Yes, they want van Gogh because van Gogh is expen$ive
Thu Jan 25, 2018, 06:14 PM
Jan 2018

And taste to them is whatever costs the most.

Nothing against van Gogh - his paintings are amazing in person, but he was not American, and they should only have American art in the White House. Trump is too dumb, illiterate and irresponsible with his money to know anything about American painting. So much for "America First".

psychopomp

(4,668 posts)
66. I think you are exactly right
Thu Jan 25, 2018, 06:53 PM
Jan 2018

And agree that the WH should host American artwork. Donald Trump is such a duplicitous person. "America First," indeed!

haele

(12,673 posts)
27. Melania probably wants it. It's very peaceful, probably reminds her of her childhood.
Thu Jan 25, 2018, 04:47 PM
Jan 2018

I wouldn't have given her the snippy offer of the gold plated toilet, but I would have gently suggested that there were probably some lovely landscapes by famous American painters in White House storage that would be just as valuable and impressive in the household quarters.

Haele

FuzzyRabbit

(1,969 posts)
36. Absolutely!
Thu Jan 25, 2018, 05:12 PM
Jan 2018

The White House owns an extensive collection of fine paintings, some very similar in style and subject matter to the one Trump wanted to "borrow".

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
74. Likely right about that. I sympathize with what should
Thu Jan 25, 2018, 08:20 PM
Jan 2018

have been the curator's personal response, but her public one is in a class with the toilet itself. I'm surprised.

malthaussen

(17,215 posts)
19. Well-played, Guggenheim...
Thu Jan 25, 2018, 04:34 PM
Jan 2018

... but therein lies the problem. Mr Trump has done so much damage to the stature of the Presidency, that even museums feel free to be insulting. I remember Mr Nixon maundering on and on about "leers and sneers offered to the great office of the Presidency," and it is my belief that the office started a long decline in stature at that time. The insult offered to Trump the man is richly deserved, but is there not perhaps damage to the office he has usurped in the process? Are we confident that our fellow Americans can appreciate the distinction?

-- Mal

Squinch

(50,992 posts)
30. That is beautiful. I think I'll see if I can drum up a large group to go and
Thu Jan 25, 2018, 05:05 PM
Jan 2018

patronize the Guggenheim. It won't matter much to their bottom line, I'm sure, but it would be my little bit.

TeamPooka

(24,246 posts)
31. Only Trump would have the gall to ask for one of the world's greatest paintings to be removed from
Thu Jan 25, 2018, 05:09 PM
Jan 2018

public view and designated for his personal use.

muriel_volestrangler

(101,349 posts)
39. That was the shocking bit.
Thu Jan 25, 2018, 05:21 PM
Jan 2018

I might see a president justifying putting a great work of art on public display in a part of the White House that the public visit all the time, or in the Oval Office where there's a lot of photos and filming (though this is still worse than people being able to study it in a gallery), but in their private residence? It's like a Bond villain.

forgotmylogin

(7,530 posts)
48. And heaven forbid
Thu Jan 25, 2018, 05:47 PM
Jan 2018

He might purchase a piece to give the White House, or donate one he owns.

He’s a millionaire who wants to borrow his furnishings like its Rent-A-Center.

FailureToCommunicate

(14,020 posts)
34. Trumps loves dog paintings. He would have put it next to his treasured original of...
Thu Jan 25, 2018, 05:12 PM
Jan 2018
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tavernier

(12,396 posts)
97. Never.
Fri Jan 26, 2018, 07:45 AM
Jan 2018

He would steal it and then send Guggenheim a bill, reminding them what an honor it is to have him own one of their paintings. This is how he has ripped off businesses all his life.

KPN

(15,649 posts)
38. "an interactive work" -- LOL!
Thu Jan 25, 2018, 05:19 PM
Jan 2018

Awesome, they just told him he could go shit in .... well, a gold toilet! Gotta love it!

matt819

(10,749 posts)
41. We'll never know, of course, but wanna bet. . .
Thu Jan 25, 2018, 05:25 PM
Jan 2018

that if they had loaned the van Gogh, that the buffoon-in-chief would attempt to return a forgery. He's done that before - presented a copy as the original. Of course, we'll never know. Though I gotta say, the Guggenheim was brilliant with its counter offer.

Response to brooklynite (Original post)

 

Le Gaucher

(1,547 posts)
49. They were too kind .. I would have given him what goes inside it instead
Thu Jan 25, 2018, 05:50 PM
Jan 2018

And he doesn't even deserve shit.

MLAA

(17,318 posts)
54. He reportedly had a fake Renoir on his jet that he told everyone was real
Thu Jan 25, 2018, 06:14 PM
Jan 2018

while the real one actually resides in a well known museum.

Mr. Ected

(9,670 posts)
58. When you gotta go, you gotta Gogh
Thu Jan 25, 2018, 06:26 PM
Jan 2018

But since there's no place to put his phone whilst wiping his ample southside, I doubt Trump will pull the trigger on this art deal of the century.

Hassler

(3,384 posts)
59. 18k makes sense
Thu Jan 25, 2018, 06:30 PM
Jan 2018

An 18k throne makes sense. The LOTUS (Lardass of the United States) would collapse a 24k commode.

MurrayDelph

(5,300 posts)
63. Reminds me of an old joke
Thu Jan 25, 2018, 06:47 PM
Jan 2018

(that's been updated):

Fred: Man, was I wasted last night! I think we ended up at Donald Trump's place; I vaguely remember going to the bathroom in a solid gold toilet.

George: You mean you're the son of a bitch who took a dump in my tuba?

 

mr_lebowski

(33,643 posts)
79. I can't even believe this isn't a troll job by the Post ...
Thu Jan 25, 2018, 09:34 PM
Jan 2018

The Guggenheim Curator Lady has just won all of the everything's forever and ever ... amen ...


CTyankee

(63,912 posts)
84. dear god, no...just no...
Thu Jan 25, 2018, 10:23 PM
Jan 2018

a Van Gogh, please...

I know the wealthy have traditionally supported the arts in European art (e.g. the Medici), but this is gross and horrible.

I am offended.

SergeStorms

(19,204 posts)
86. The Guggenheim....
Thu Jan 25, 2018, 10:54 PM
Jan 2018

would never see the Van Gogh again. Somehow it would get "lost" and wind up somewhere in Mar-ma-lado. You never loan the Trumps anything if you want to see it again.

torius

(1,652 posts)
87. The Trumps are not entitled
Fri Jan 26, 2018, 12:20 AM
Jan 2018

to "borrow" invaluable art. No one is. The Gugg is a private institution, the art it shows is political by nature, and its response was totally appropriate. Trump is anti-art and demonstrated it by destroying the Bonwit Teller building and refusing to even save one precious part of it after preservationists begged him to. But, Trump probably already has gold-plated toilets.

quakerboy

(13,920 posts)
95. Hopefully noone tells Trump
Fri Jan 26, 2018, 07:11 AM
Jan 2018

I suspect that he wouldn't get the joke. And that he would accept the offer, and have it installed somewhere he can make regular use of it, thinking it just his just dues.

 

bitterross

(4,066 posts)
103. The sheer audacity of the request pisses me off - for the PRIVATE residence
Fri Jan 26, 2018, 11:04 AM
Jan 2018

Who the hell do they think they are to request something like that for the PRIVATE residence anyway? Just another example of how he thinks he's the emperor rather than an elected servant.

I could understand requesting something for the public areas of the White House. That way others would be able to enjoy it. But no, he wanted it for himself. What a total fuck he is.

Nitram

(22,845 posts)
105. I saw this in the Post this morning. So appropriate! I doubt Trump will ever figure out the insult.
Fri Jan 26, 2018, 12:09 PM
Jan 2018

He loves all that glitters.

radhika

(1,008 posts)
109. Replace it with a fake, then sell the original?
Fri Jan 26, 2018, 01:37 PM
Jan 2018

Or use it as collateral for an oligarch's loan. I'll bet the faux artist was already picked out, just waiting to get the go-ahead from an interested party.

radhika

(1,008 posts)
108. You know he'd never return whatever they'd lend...
Fri Jan 26, 2018, 01:32 PM
Jan 2018

Have to take him to court. Like Trump U students, contractors and investors.

niyad

(113,524 posts)
112. one question--who ACTUALLY requested this masterpiece, because we know damned well
Fri Jan 26, 2018, 02:22 PM
Jan 2018

that the orange madman does NOT have the taste to appreciate fine art.

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