California launches investigation following stunning admission by Aetna medical director
Source: CNN
California's insurance commissioner has launched an investigation into Aetna after learning a former medical director for the insurer admitted under oath he never looked at patients' records when deciding whether to approve or deny care.
California Insurance Commissioner Dave Jones expressed outrage after CNN showed him a transcript of the testimony and said his office is looking into how widespread the practice is within Aetna.
"If the health insurer is making decisions to deny coverage without a physician actually ever reviewing medical records, that's of significant concern to me as insurance commissioner in California -- and potentially a violation of law," he said.
(snip)
Iinuma said he never looked at a patient's medical records while at Aetna. He says that was Aetna protocol and that he based his decision off "pertinent information" provided to him by a nurse.
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Read more: http://www.cnn.com/2018/02/11/health/aetna-california-investigation/index.html
Explosive testimony. And, I suspect, widespread practice. I hope they look at how the doctors and nurses are paid by Aetna, for example, bonuses.
LuckyLib
(6,819 posts)of the medical insurance industry. Veterans who get emergency treatment at a non VA hospital are often denied payment by a reviewer who is not even in the medical field.
Wellstone ruled
(34,661 posts)a industry wide practice. Having had to deal with this same insurer many years ago while serving on our Union Health and Welfare Board. Talk about a nightmare Company to work with. We had a four year Contract with this Company only to cancel it because of their selectivity of coverage of some of our Members pre existing Health issues and that was in the 1970's.
chuckstevens
(1,201 posts)Phoenix61
(17,009 posts)Yeah, right. This crap is the single best reason to get for profit insurance companies out of our medical care. You have to wonder how that asshole sleeps at night.
luvtheGWN
(1,336 posts)Insurance companies are the death panels. Having had many friends in the US who have had cancer, I learned early on through their experiences that an insurance company's first instinct is to deny, deny, deny. Then the oncologist spends many hours of their valuable time arguing on the phone, sending faxes etc. in an attempt to persuade the insurer that yes, indeed, the patient should be covered.
I can tell you honestly that this never, EVER happened to me here in Canada. Everything was covered -- surgeries, chemo, weekly home nursing care visits, neupogen shots (10 each between chemo treatment) which retail at $200 each. I cannot imagine having to deal with the added worry of whether or not I was going to lose my home in order to pay for life-saving treatment. It makes me madder than hell that my friends had to endure that.
kimmylavin
(2,284 posts)I was hospitalized after a car accident for what eventually turned out to be three weeks.
But I'd initially been discharged after one week, once the insurance company decided I no longer needed to be in the hospital - over the strenuous objections of my doctor.
I'd broken my leg in 22 places, requiring two surgeries to put it back together, had broken several ribs, and was covered in bruises from head to toe.
I was getting Dilauded several times a day because the pain was excruciating, and Soma to help me sleep.
The insurance company discharged me to a nursing home, where I spent one night, and they gave me one Vicodin.
My husband said I begged him not to leave me there. (I don't even remember that.)
When they came in the next morning, I was hooked over the edge of the bed (the beds were not adjustable) and crying in my sleep.
My father-in-law, bless him, drove over to the hospital, put his wallet on the counter, and said, "What do I need to do to get her back in here?"
By the time they brought me back to the hospital, I was having terrible drug withdrawal symptoms, in addition to the unbearable pain from my leg.
I ended up spending two more weeks there, during which time I was better able to recover.
As it turns out, my husband's insurance carrier had recently switched providers.
There was a 6-month period where they received hundreds of complaints, and so they switched back - but I'd been caught in the middle of that.
It was unreal.
(And insurance did wind up covering most of the costs... eventually. I guess I was lucky to be hurt and unemployed, so I had plenty of time to spend on paperwork.)
CountAllVotes
(20,877 posts)What an awful thing to go through only to have to wonder abt. the insurance after living through such an trauma!
Has your leg healed up or will it ever?
This is just one sad example of why healthcare should be a #1 priority for need of a huge fix!
Take care in the meantime!
kimmylavin
(2,284 posts)And yes, after a year of drugs & physical therapy, I got my leg back to about 95%.
There's always a dull ache, and it hurts when the weather changes, but at least I'm walking.
SWBTATTReg
(22,154 posts)Bless you and your family standing by you. I will think of you always in the back of my mind in any dealings w/ my insurance carriers too.
iluvtennis
(19,865 posts)paleotn
(17,937 posts)We already have death panels. They're called insurance companies.
IronLionZion
(45,484 posts)and leads them to say complete nonsense like single payer will lead to long waits and rationed care while the current system leaves people without care when insurance decides to deny payment
Evergreen Emerald
(13,069 posts)Lovely.
BigmanPigman
(51,615 posts)between the head of the hospital who was only accepting patients with great insurance while the real doctors looked at which patient needed which effective treatment the most regardless of insurance. This has been the American way for as long as I can remember only now it is far worse than ever before.
lastlib
(23,263 posts)It's insane. After the experience with my sister (denied coverage for cancer treatment due to lifetime benefit cap (illegal now--thank you, Obama!), I would clap for joy to see them all abolished for single-payer.
CountAllVotes
(20,877 posts)Because the rich can afford it that is why. The rest of us just sit on the sidelines and hope it seems to me.
I have a rich sorta relative. Doesn't like generic Norcos & demands brand-name only. Gets exactly what is wanted as said person is a member of the #1 and can pay for it easily. Why don't they look at this type of opiate abuse ... and yes it is just that as there is no real clear DX showing need. They need not worry though.
And I don't hear any talk abt. drug testing said person either, nope.
RandomAccess
(5,210 posts)It makes me want to burst into tears.
NBachers
(17,130 posts)Roland99
(53,342 posts)TalenaGor
(1,104 posts)This just makes me feel even better about it ...They lost a 200+ person group cause I wasn't having it lol .... Remember they had sent a letter threatening that if their merger wasn't approved they were going to blame rising premium cost on Obamacare....
I said nope! Moved us to premera
Better company, better deal, better customer service better claims processing.... Just much better 😊
SunSeeker
(51,609 posts)Jedi Guy
(3,233 posts)Investigate this matter to the hilt and take appropriate action. If even one person died or was maimed as a result of this assclown (and there are probably multiple assclowns who behaved likewise), the kid gloves come off immediately. And the Feds should join the party, too.
Arrest and charge the company's leadership with negligent homicide or manslaughter, or accessories to same. Freeze the company's assets, seize the passports of the leadership, and immediately revoke Aetna's operating licenses. In the interim, those who previously had Aetna coverage can be covered by Medicare. Aggressively prosecute the company and the individuals who did this, make an example of them so that every other insurer who may have done likewise will be utterly terrified.
If it's found that anyone died or was maimed by this malfeasance, shutter Aetna for good. Liquidate the company's assets to provide compensation to their victims (or their next of kin). Jail the guilty individuals in blue-collar prison. No caviar and racquetball for you chucklefucks while you're serving your time.
These are things that should happen, but they won't happen. They won't happen because, thanks to bullshit like Citizens United, the company as a whole and, I'm quite sure, the senior executives have been greasing all the right palms in Washington. If anything comes of this, it'll be a slap on the wrist and Aetna will be super duper sorry that this happened. Seriously, you guys, they'll be just so regretful.
Unfuckingbelievable. I'm so glad I moved to Canada.
Union Label
(545 posts)having been denied coverage with these assholes I hope I can get my past medical covered.
hunter
(38,322 posts)If there's a human involved they're just mindlessly parroting whatever the computer says. That's what they are paid to do.
The horror here is that the insurance companies somehow expect sick and injured people to deal with all this crap.
If you, as the patient, don't have strong advocates (if you are lucky, your doctor, family, friends, etc.) then you are screwed.
Even if you do have strong advocates, dealing with insurance companies can still be a nightmare.
UpInArms
(51,284 posts)👆🏼
dchill
(38,514 posts)Hoyt
(54,770 posts)where it's clear it's not covered. A nurse reviewer can make those determinations, fill out a form and have a physician sign off without a lot of review. Sometimes the distinction as to whether something is cosmetic is not clear. That should go to a physician, and it usually does.
Similarly, health plans have protocols requiring people to try lower costing medications or treatments before taking those costing hundreds of thousands of dollars unless special circumstances are involved. Don't have a problem with nurse reviewers performing the record review in those cases. However, if the patient's physician comes back with "Hey, this patient's situation has special circumstances and they need the costly meds first," then a physician should be involved.
Although a physician should have reviewed the records in this particular case, I'm not sure the initial results would be any different (although, it sure would have gone over differently). The insurer requested that the patient take a blood test, after 3 years, to continue getting the meds. Instead the patient did not and then got sick months later. We as patients have some responsibilities in trying to keep costs down too.
https://www.cnn.com/2018/02/11/health/aetna-california-investigation/index.html
I suspect Aetna will pay, as will other insurers (including Medicare Advantage plans and Medicaid managed care plans), insurers will have to hire more MDs, and ultimately we will all pay with higher premiums/costs (even under single payer).
I hope one day Congress one day decides to tackle healthcare and reform it from the ground up (like Clinton tried to do 25 years ago), or we are going to view situations like this as the good ole days.
SWBTATTReg
(22,154 posts)When medical attention is needed, there seems to be an unhealthy response by these companies to this need. The almighty dollar seems to be overriding required medical attention and treatment. In St. Louis, MO, it seems like one of the few businesses that is expanding rapidly is the medical field. An entire section of mid-St. Louis Mo has been taken over by these companies. Makes you wonder, because I don't really see any other industries growing so rapidly.