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(47,518 posts)
Fri Feb 16, 2018, 06:00 PM Feb 2018

U.S. Rep. Keith Ellison again faces questions about Louis Farrakhan relationship

Source: StarTribune

U.S. Rep. Keith Ellison faced new questions this week about his relationship with Nation of Islam leader Louis Farrakhan, the black nationalist notorious for anti-Semitic conspiracy theories.

Ellison, a congressman representing Minneapolis since his election as the nation’s first Muslim representative in 2006, acknowledged this week attending a 2013 dinner meeting with Iranian President Hassan Rouhani in New York City to discuss negotiations over Iran’s nuclear program. In attendance were a group of a few dozen prominent Muslim-Americans, including Farrakhan.

“As part of the 2013 U.N. General Assembly, and as negotiations were underway for what would become the Iran deal, I attended a meeting with President Rouhani and nearly 50 American Muslim leaders. This was not a private dinner, I didn’t know in advance who else would be there, and my decision to attend was not an endorsement of the political views of other attendees,” Ellison said in a statement this week.

(snip)

As a law student at the University of Minnesota in the 1980s, Ellison defended Farrakhan on the Op-Ed page of the Minnesota Daily. He helped organize buses from the Twin Cities for Farrakhan’s “Million Man March” in 1995. Farrakhan has frequently embraced the criticism that he is an anti-Semite. He once said “the satanic Jews that control everything and mostly everybody — if they are your enemy — then you must be somebody.” During Ellison’s failed race to be chairman of the Democratic National Committee, he repudiated Farrakhan, as he has since his 2006 race for Congress. But Farrakhan said in a December 2016 Facebook post that Ellison and U.S. Rep. Andre Carson of Indiana visited his hotel suite during a trip to Washington.

(snip)

State Rep. Frank Hornstein, DFL-Minneapolis, a prominent Jewish elected official and longtime supporter, said Ellison is a trustworthy ally on issues of racism and anti-Semitism. The congressman has “repeatedly repudiated the Nation of Islam and its message, and his actions on the ground affirm that,” Hornstein said.


Read more: http://www.startribune.com/u-s-rep-keith-ellison-again-faces-questions-about-louis-farrakhan-relationship/474324603/

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U.S. Rep. Keith Ellison again faces questions about Louis Farrakhan relationship (Original Post) question everything Feb 2018 OP
Farrakhan is another racist stain on society. nt 7962 Feb 2018 #1
So you say WestIndianArchie Feb 2018 #6
He is a homophobic, antisemtic, misogyist hater obamanut2012 Feb 2018 #10
got it WestIndianArchie Feb 2018 #13
"Anti-semitic". n/t Igel Feb 2018 #16
yeah yeah yeah WestIndianArchie Feb 2018 #19
His own statements and admissions prove it. How does having a march prove he's NOT? 7962 Feb 2018 #20
It boggles the mind that people minimize the things Farrakhan has said. Jedi Guy Feb 2018 #25
Hi Jedi Guy, welcome to DU question everything Feb 2018 #32
Thanks, glad to be here! Jedi Guy Feb 2018 #33
And nobody in MN's 5th CD gives a damn. The Velveteen Ocelot Feb 2018 #2
Glad to hear it. The virulent racist right-wing's attempt to destroy Ellison should just die. Judi Lynn Feb 2018 #24
And in order for Ellison to face these hateful comments question everything Feb 2018 #51
According to one of wing-nuts posting in the comments section of the article dflprincess Feb 2018 #27
Do they even know what communists are, let alone The Velveteen Ocelot Feb 2018 #28
Doubtful dflprincess Feb 2018 #29
If it true that Ellison visited with Farrakhan as late as 2016... nycbos Feb 2018 #3
New York City and pazzyanne Feb 2018 #7
I am not okay with a member of the Democratic party nycbos Feb 2018 #12
I am actually surprised that Farrakhan is still around and generates news question everything Feb 2018 #21
He represents Minnesota pazzyanne Feb 2018 #34
Well lets see Minnesota values at play. nycbos Feb 2018 #37
Post removed Post removed Feb 2018 #40
Forgive me for taking antisemitism seriously nycbos Feb 2018 #41
Your sarcasm is noted as is your opionion. pazzyanne Feb 2018 #42
But he is also the deputy chair of the Demcoratic party question everything Feb 2018 #44
I am also NOT okay with this. I'm physically repulsed that anyone could be on a Democratic forum. grossproffit Feb 2018 #55
The far right and the far left have several common causes. nycbos Feb 2018 #61
"It doesn't matter if he is "good progressive." " - Political purity. keithbvadu2 Feb 2018 #8
But Congress people who attend a dinner with hateful 'Christain' leaders sinkingfeeling Feb 2018 #14
No that is not ok. nycbos Feb 2018 #15
Is that the general attitude here? Igel Feb 2018 #17
What are you talking about. My response is to the DUer who said Ellison "had to go" sinkingfeeling Feb 2018 #22
Then I want some fucking questions asked about Tulsi Gabbard Blue_Tires Feb 2018 #4
I consider her a wingnut Trojan horse obamanut2012 Feb 2018 #11
"said in a December 2016 Facebook post"... So nobody noticed this until now or something? ck4829 Feb 2018 #5
Call it what it is WestIndianArchie Feb 2018 #18
People can pick whoever they want as a "leader". Dont bitch when called on the choice. 7962 Feb 2018 #23
Laughable WestIndianArchie Feb 2018 #36
Lay down with dogs.......get up with fleas. We all are judged by who we associate with. 7962 Feb 2018 #38
Trump WestIndianArchie Feb 2018 #39
This message was self-deleted by its author nycbos Feb 2018 #43
"Honorable Minister Farrakhan??" question everything Feb 2018 #45
Keith Ellison WestIndianArchie Feb 2018 #47
Yes, I thought we were talking about Ellison and about Jews and LGBT hater Farrakhan question everything Feb 2018 #49
Well WestIndianArchie Feb 2018 #56
Why not read the title of this thread? Two names are mentioned. Or is this too complicated? (nt) question everything Feb 2018 #62
So start an OP about Bibi. This issue is about the Dis-honorable Farrakhan 7962 Feb 2018 #65
I wonder whether thre recent revealations of Obama meeting with Farrakhan, see my post 21, above question everything Feb 2018 #50
### NurseJackie Feb 2018 #9
Your responses are always spot on...and funny. nt jrthin Feb 2018 #26
😘 NurseJackie Feb 2018 #30
YUUP😺 happy feet Feb 2018 #63
Supporting Keith Ellison Here... LovingA2andMI Feb 2018 #31
No it is not because he is a Muslim. nycbos Feb 2018 #46
BS.... LovingA2andMI Feb 2018 #66
So you are ok with Nation of Islam as a group? nycbos Feb 2018 #67
We Are Okay With Representative Ellison.... LovingA2andMI Feb 2018 #68
Sunni Isalm or Shia Isalm isn't a hate group nycbos Feb 2018 #69
The left seems to have a real bind spot about this...... LovingA2andMI Feb 2018 #70
I do. nycbos Feb 2018 #71
A non-story designed solely to undermine Ellison. jcmaine72 Feb 2018 #35
Farrakhan is a disgusting homophobic anti-Semite. Behind the Aegis Feb 2018 #48
And the Democratic self-devouring begins... nt HopeAgain Feb 2018 #52
Sweeping criticism under the rug does not help any candidate question everything Feb 2018 #53
So try them and hang them quickly HopeAgain Feb 2018 #54
No, face them quickly. The problem with Franken was that first photo question everything Feb 2018 #57
Franken has nothing to do with to do with Ellison associating with a known hate monger. grossproffit Feb 2018 #58
Nope but the rushing to judgment though... HopeAgain Feb 2018 #59
Sounding a lot like the GOP......"well, he's OUR guy, so...." 7962 Feb 2018 #64
Lots of concern expressed in this thread. samir.g Feb 2018 #60

WestIndianArchie

(386 posts)
6. So you say
Fri Feb 16, 2018, 06:49 PM
Feb 2018

The same man that got a 2.3 million black men onto the DC mall with no violence and no problems. Got it I understand you completely

Jedi Guy

(3,244 posts)
25. It boggles the mind that people minimize the things Farrakhan has said.
Fri Feb 16, 2018, 10:44 PM
Feb 2018

There's absolutely no need for "allies" like him.

Jedi Guy

(3,244 posts)
33. Thanks, glad to be here!
Sat Feb 17, 2018, 12:20 AM
Feb 2018

I'm a total Star Wars dork (I know, you'd never have guessed...) so the Yoda avatar was the obvious choice.

Judi Lynn

(160,593 posts)
24. Glad to hear it. The virulent racist right-wing's attempt to destroy Ellison should just die.
Fri Feb 16, 2018, 10:28 PM
Feb 2018

It doesn't take much to get the poisonous hate-driven lard-asses howling and shaking their plump cheeto-stained fists at any minority person, and anyone who dislikes deformed right-wing social "values."

I'd like to believe this seething, festering venom is going explode some day and blow them all to hell.

Can you imagine how many decades it has been that these ridge-running, greedy, unprincipled racists have been mocking any and all minority leaders?

They would die without their hatred.

Who doesn't remember the drooling idiots as they used to mock Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr.? Nothing bonded them more than a rancorous, dirty, underhanded session of lowering their ugly voices, taking furtive looks around to make sure any decent people didn't hear them, then popping off a few snickering references to "Martin Luther ####" followed by triumphant guffaws, and shouting.

Glad Ellison can take the hatred from these maggots. They can't leave this planet soon enough.

question everything

(47,518 posts)
51. And in order for Ellison to face these hateful comments
Sat Feb 17, 2018, 07:22 PM
Feb 2018

they have to be exposed. Complaining that they should not be aired will create suspicion of whether there is something to hide.

dflprincess

(28,082 posts)
27. According to one of wing-nuts posting in the comments section of the article
Fri Feb 16, 2018, 11:02 PM
Feb 2018

all you people in the 5th are communists. Of course there are wing nuts who post on Erik Paulsen's Facebook page accusing anyone who disagrees with Paulsen of being a commie so I guess you and I could be called "fellow travelers".

I wonder what the Trumpsters will call us if they ever figure out it's not the 1950s.

The Velveteen Ocelot

(115,806 posts)
28. Do they even know what communists are, let alone
Fri Feb 16, 2018, 11:09 PM
Feb 2018

the fact that actual communists are an endangered species?

nycbos

(6,035 posts)
3. If it true that Ellison visited with Farrakhan as late as 2016...
Fri Feb 16, 2018, 06:14 PM
Feb 2018

... then he has to go.


It doesn't matter if he is "good progressive."

We must fight all forms of discrimination. Whether it is directed toward African Americans, Jews, the LGBT community, Muslims the Democratic Party must stand against discrimination.


And it doesn't matter if you are part of a group that faces discrimination. It doesn't give you right to discriminate against another group.

pazzyanne

(6,556 posts)
7. New York City and
Fri Feb 16, 2018, 06:52 PM
Feb 2018

making decisions for Minnesota. This is getting old. Let Minnesota decide what is good for Minnesota, thank you very much!

question everything

(47,518 posts)
21. I am actually surprised that Farrakhan is still around and generates news
Fri Feb 16, 2018, 10:00 PM
Feb 2018

Recently there was the story of Obama in a photo with Farrakhan that the photographer chose not to publicize that it could have ruined Obama's campaign.

The Photo That Never Saw The Light of Day: Obama With Farrakhan In 2005

https://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/photo-of-obama-louis-farrakhan-to-be-released

TPM, I don't think it is a right wing propaganda machine..

pazzyanne

(6,556 posts)
34. He represents Minnesota
Sat Feb 17, 2018, 03:16 AM
Feb 2018

It is Minnesota's decision. I have not asked for an apology, just stay out of Minnesota politics if you are not a Minnesotan. Thank you very much!

Response to nycbos (Reply #37)

nycbos

(6,035 posts)
41. Forgive me for taking antisemitism seriously
Sat Feb 17, 2018, 11:47 AM
Feb 2018

You're absolutely right. I have no values.



Voters of Steve King's district in Iowa keep electing him despite his well documented white supremacist views. That says something about them.

Am I saying that every voter in Kings district is a white supremacist. No. Just like not every resident of Minneapolis in an antisemite.


I am sure many of their respective supporters are unaware of this.

But there are those who are and still vote for them despite this. Do all of them share their beliefs. No. But they aren't deal breakers either.

As Edmond Burke said "all that it takes for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing"

keithbvadu2

(36,869 posts)
8. "It doesn't matter if he is "good progressive." " - Political purity.
Fri Feb 16, 2018, 06:57 PM
Feb 2018

"It doesn't matter if he is "good progressive." " - Political purity.

Every politician should satisfy every demand of every constituent.

(sarcasm thingie goes here)

sinkingfeeling

(51,469 posts)
14. But Congress people who attend a dinner with hateful 'Christain' leaders
Fri Feb 16, 2018, 08:18 PM
Feb 2018

who are anti-Muslim are a-okay?

Igel

(35,337 posts)
17. Is that the general attitude here?
Fri Feb 16, 2018, 09:19 PM
Feb 2018

I rather thought it was different. With "it's not okay for people to continue to re-elect somebody who's not _________."

Sometimes here that's been a Yellow Dog (D) at issue, sometimes it's been (R) under the microscope.

As far as I'm concerned, people elect who they elect. It reflects on them to some degree, but they have their own reasons--not necessarily those I impute to them--to doing so.

sinkingfeeling

(51,469 posts)
22. What are you talking about. My response is to the DUer who said Ellison "had to go"
Fri Feb 16, 2018, 10:03 PM
Feb 2018

if he was on contact with Farrakhan. I asked if that would also apply to someone attending a dinner where an anti-Muslim Christian leader (like, Franklin Graham) appeared.

Blue_Tires

(55,445 posts)
4. Then I want some fucking questions asked about Tulsi Gabbard
Fri Feb 16, 2018, 06:20 PM
Feb 2018

and her being in bed with Assad and whitewashing genocide...

ck4829

(35,079 posts)
5. "said in a December 2016 Facebook post"... So nobody noticed this until now or something?
Fri Feb 16, 2018, 06:25 PM
Feb 2018

That seems kind of weird that someone would dig through some crackpot's completely public timeline to look up something that is not new, a crackpot who has been repudiated by Ellison in his "FAILED RACE" to be chairman of the DNC which the article makes clear he failed which was over a year and a half ago.

But hey, forget I said anything, I don't really want to get my head bitten off for finding something like this odd.

(Oh but I do just want to add that for some reason there wasn't a direct quote about what Farrakhan said and it's clear why, I watched the video, it was peppered with a lot of "I believe" as in how he recounts what happened in this suite, doesn't say what they spoke about, and he said this AFTER he spent a minute and a half actually attacking Ellison and admitting that Ellison doesn't follow his teachings which is what Ellison himself has said... funny how that part wasn't included. Wonder why?)

WestIndianArchie

(386 posts)
18. Call it what it is
Fri Feb 16, 2018, 09:34 PM
Feb 2018

It is a racist/white supremacist diversionary tactic, simple as that. It's an attempt to tell black people who their leaders can and will be.

 

7962

(11,841 posts)
23. People can pick whoever they want as a "leader". Dont bitch when called on the choice.
Fri Feb 16, 2018, 10:04 PM
Feb 2018

Using peoples own actions and words against them;"racist/white supremacist diversionary tactic"? Laughable.
I guess you think its wrong to use Trumps statements against him, huh?

WestIndianArchie

(386 posts)
36. Laughable
Sat Feb 17, 2018, 07:36 AM
Feb 2018

So you are going to have me to believe that Mr. Ellison meeting with the Honorable Minister Farrakhan is somehow wrong? is that correct, or maybe you are just seeking to cast aspersions against Mr. Ellison.

I know what you are trying to do.

Let's talk about BIBI and how his policies are actually killing people

 

7962

(11,841 posts)
38. Lay down with dogs.......get up with fleas. We all are judged by who we associate with.
Sat Feb 17, 2018, 10:17 AM
Feb 2018

Are we not concerned about trumps associations with Russians? Of course we are
You seem to be another one of those folks who see a plot behind every tree.
It is what it is, for all of us. We're responsible for whom we associate with. And everyone knows Farrakhans disgusting background. Certainly Farrakhan has done SOME good; Mussolini made the trains run on time.

Response to 7962 (Reply #38)

question everything

(47,518 posts)
45. "Honorable Minister Farrakhan??"
Sat Feb 17, 2018, 12:59 PM
Feb 2018

Just curious: you have been here since 2008 with less than 100 posts - nothing wrong with this, many prefer to lurk. And now you are here praising a known, homophobe, anti-semite who is proud of it?

Blaming Jews for slavery, for 9/11,

Farrakhan likened himself to auto magnate Henry Ford, who promoted anti-Semitic conspiracies in the 1920s in The Inter­na­tional Jew: the World’s Fore­most Prob­lem. Far­rakhan called Ford “a great man who was called an anti-Semite” and added, “I feel like I’m in good company.” In Part 2 of his Saviours’ Day address at Mosque Maryam in Chicago, Farrakhan received a standing ovation after telling his audience that “the Satanic Jews that control everything and mostly everybody, if they are your enemy, then you must be somebody.”

During a sermon at Fellowship Chapel in Detroit in May 2013, Farrakhan told the audience that the “Synagogue of Satan,” a phrase he uses repeatedly to refer to Jews, has “mastered civilization now, but they’ve mastered it in evil,” using its control of Hollywood and the media to “put you before the world in this disgraceful matter.”

At a meeting of the Nation of Islam at Madison Square Garden in 1985, Farrakhan said of the Jews: "And don't you forget, when it's God who puts you in the ovens, it's forever!"

Do you really consider all of this "honorable?"



WestIndianArchie

(386 posts)
47. Keith Ellison
Sat Feb 17, 2018, 03:09 PM
Feb 2018

I thought we were talking about Congressman Ellison meeting with the minister. Or maybe you missed the part about BIBI and his murderous rampage against the Palestinians. To my knowledge, the Honorable Minister Louis Farrakhan hasn't enacted any policies that has killed anyone. So yes I can call him honorable. Now Bibi, that's a different story altogether right? It's Ok.

question everything

(47,518 posts)
49. Yes, I thought we were talking about Ellison and about Jews and LGBT hater Farrakhan
Sat Feb 17, 2018, 07:10 PM
Feb 2018

What does Bibi, or Trump, or Hezbollah, or the Kurds or Putin have to do with this discussion?

You inserted Bibi you can easily insert Putin, or Obama, or the Koch brothers. None will contribute to the discussion.

But, I suppose you are not interested in a discussion. You apparently are seeking a place to promote your ideas.

WestIndianArchie

(386 posts)
56. Well
Sat Feb 17, 2018, 08:08 PM
Feb 2018

Well, you are going to talk about Farrakhan, Then I'm going to talk about BIBI and how he is deporting Ethiopians (Black Jews). Farrakhan can't do that, he can say whatever he wants, but he doesn't have that kind of power does he.

 

7962

(11,841 posts)
65. So start an OP about Bibi. This issue is about the Dis-honorable Farrakhan
Sun Feb 18, 2018, 09:22 AM
Feb 2018

and whether Ellison has no problem meeting with an avowed racist. You say Farrakhan has no power; but there are a lot of people in this country who hang on his every word. So yeah, he DOES have some power. The power to promote more racism.
I imagine we'd be all over a meeting between trump and David Duke.

You can go enjoy this weeks "Final Call"; I'm sure theres some great shit in there!

question everything

(47,518 posts)
50. I wonder whether thre recent revealations of Obama meeting with Farrakhan, see my post 21, above
Sat Feb 17, 2018, 07:18 PM
Feb 2018

brought this story.

LovingA2andMI

(7,006 posts)
31. Supporting Keith Ellison Here...
Fri Feb 16, 2018, 11:57 PM
Feb 2018

And Appalled by any efforts to "Throw Him Under The Bus" because of his chosen religious preference.

LovingA2andMI

(7,006 posts)
66. BS....
Sun Feb 18, 2018, 09:54 AM
Feb 2018

And we are and STILL WILL SUPPORT KEITH ELLISON --- WHO IS A DEMOCRAT -- THAT STRAIGHTLY BEING ATTACKED ON DU. Ummm...

LovingA2andMI

(7,006 posts)
68. We Are Okay With Representative Ellison....
Sun Feb 18, 2018, 03:57 PM
Feb 2018

Choosing the practice his choice of MUSLIM Faith as Freedom of Religion is a RIGHT In this Country, I.E. Maybe you need to familiarize yourself with the 1st Amendment of the U.S. Constitution:

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion or prohibiting the free exercise thereof, or abridging the freedom of speech or of the press, or the right of the people peaceably to assemble and to petition the government for a redress of grievances.


Add to Representative Ellison's right to practice the religion of his choice, to the fact he is a DEMOCRAT and ATTACKING DEMOCRATS on D.U. is a violation of this Board's Term of Service:

I.E. Core Principles of D.U.
Harsh, divisive, partisan attacks against Democrats or progressive values (from the right or the left) are not welcome here.


With that, have a great afternoon.



nycbos

(6,035 posts)
69. Sunni Isalm or Shia Isalm isn't a hate group
Sun Feb 18, 2018, 04:05 PM
Feb 2018

The Nation of Islam is.

People used to use religion to justify segregation. If a "christian" did that today we would say that is unacceptable. It is not okay to pal up with people who support antisemitism.


The left seems to have a real bind spot about this. It is one of many causes the far left and the far right have in common.

LovingA2andMI

(7,006 posts)
70. The left seems to have a real bind spot about this......
Sun Feb 18, 2018, 04:21 PM
Feb 2018

Repeat: "The left seems to have a real bind spot about this." <---- Do you REALIZE YET this is Democratic Underground? Obviously not.

nycbos

(6,035 posts)
71. I do.
Sun Feb 18, 2018, 04:28 PM
Feb 2018

And I am condemning antisemitism.


It doesn't matter if it comes from the left or the right.

And there is a big difference between being a Progressive Democrat and this.





question everything

(47,518 posts)
53. Sweeping criticism under the rug does not help any candidate
Sat Feb 17, 2018, 07:39 PM
Feb 2018

or a party.

It is better to face whatever is being said, including the under currents than to blame the messenger.

Yes, I know that on these pages we are not supposed to criticize Democratic leaders but burying the heads in the sand can lead to losses and surprises and heartbreaks.

Remember JFK raising the "issue" of him being Catholic. Remember Obama talking about Jeremiah Wright. Remember, even, Obama producing his birth certificate.

Especially in these days of "social media" where rumors and innuendos spread so quickly. A candidate, or a party, cannot just shrug, dismissing allegations.

 

7962

(11,841 posts)
64. Sounding a lot like the GOP......"well, he's OUR guy, so...."
Sun Feb 18, 2018, 09:16 AM
Feb 2018

Everyone deserves scrutiny regardless of what initial follows their name when it regards who you associate with

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