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UpInArms

(51,284 posts)
Fri Feb 23, 2018, 10:19 AM Feb 2018

A Democrat getting outspent 17-1 is now neck and neck in deep-red Pennsylvania

Source: Vox

For the first time in nearly 15 years, Republicans in Pennsylvania’s 18th Congressional District are starting to get nervous.

On its face, the March 13 special congressional election in the southwest corner of Pennsylvania should be a breeze for the GOP. The Cook Political Report rates the district R+11 (due in part to partisan gerrymandering that the state Supreme Court recently ruled unconstitutional).

The newly open seat was held by former Rep. Tim Murphy (R-PA) since 2003, who was so secure in his seat that he often failed to attract a Democratic challenger. Murphy suddenly resigned in October amid revelations that he had pressured a woman with whom he was having an extramarital affair to have an abortion. But even after he stepped down, national Democrats didn’t think they could compete in the special election, a Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee operative told Vox.

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Saccone is also benefiting from a deluge of outside spending. The Washington Post’s Dave Weigel and Michael Scherer estimated Republican-allied groups have so far spent about $4.7 million in television and radio ads compared to the approximately $300,000 Democratic groups have raised for Lamb.

Read more: https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2018/2/23/17013730/conor-lamb-rick-saccone-pennsylvania-special-election

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A Democrat getting outspent 17-1 is now neck and neck in deep-red Pennsylvania (Original Post) UpInArms Feb 2018 OP
Congressman Conor Lamb (D) sounds great.... Pachamama Feb 2018 #1
We got to meet him at a fundraiser... Great guy! Freedomofspeech Feb 2018 #6
Trumpy is the Dems' best friend. Eyeball_Kid Feb 2018 #2
+ 1 red dog 1 Feb 2018 #19
This message was self-deleted by its author red dog 1 Feb 2018 #20
Brilliant! Pacifist Patriot Feb 2018 #3
Hes more of a PunksMom Feb 2018 #4
I'll take a conserva-liberal any day, lagomorph777 Feb 2018 #7
Im totally with you on that! PunksMom Feb 2018 #11
GOOD! That is just the kind of Democrat we need in those areas. I JUST SENT HIM A DONATION! LBM20 Feb 2018 #22
Couldnt agree more! PunksMom Feb 2018 #26
I think the problem with the media analysis is BumRushDaShow Feb 2018 #5
Since much of the millions in ads were bought by the NRA, or they did a direct contribution, maybe Fred Sanders Feb 2018 #9
Let's make their money worthless. Doitnow Feb 2018 #28
Yes it's not "deep red" like they're saying on the Vox blog FakeNoose Feb 2018 #15
Hoping for the best BumRushDaShow Feb 2018 #16
Great news. awesomerwb1 Feb 2018 #8
Send him $$$ winstars Feb 2018 #10
Woo-hoo! Even if he doesn't win, he gets another chance in the mid-terms! Honeycombe8 Feb 2018 #12
Just donated again via ActBlue NBachers Feb 2018 #13
The ads Saccone is buying on MSNBC probably aren't DeminPennswoods Feb 2018 #14
It's not "deep-red Pennsylvania" oberliner Feb 2018 #17
GOOD!! GET THEM OUT TO VOTE!! onetexan Feb 2018 #18
But MANY of those registered Dems have been voting for R's because of the cultural issues. We need LBM20 Feb 2018 #24
Right.. but it said.. Some Dems in that Cha Feb 2018 #32
Those Dems just haven't bothered to change DeminPennswoods Feb 2018 #33
This district is crazy though. PA Democrat Feb 2018 #34
"Focused on recapturing blue-collar workers, Lamb's campaign represents one school of thought - red dog 1 Feb 2018 #21
Just donated to him. This would be a great pickup. LBM20 Feb 2018 #23
Woo Hoo laserhaas Feb 2018 #25
GROUND GAME, people. It's gonna boil down to the ground game. DinahMoeHum Feb 2018 #27
Isn't Saccone one of those Jesus Freaks? Archae Feb 2018 #29
Saccone sponsored the "Year of the Bible" Pennsylvania State House resolution in 2012. John1956PA Feb 2018 #30
He says if he wins he won't support Nancy Cha Feb 2018 #31
MAKE THEM PAY!! bucolic_frolic Feb 2018 #35
Sounds like his plan is to win back blue collar workers who fell for Trump's lies IronLionZion Feb 2018 #36
Good to hear, but Pennsylvania has never been "deep red" markpkessinger Feb 2018 #37

Eyeball_Kid

(7,433 posts)
2. Trumpy is the Dems' best friend.
Fri Feb 23, 2018, 10:28 AM
Feb 2018

More than money and campaign contributions, it's Trumpy's brand that's poisoned the entire GOP. When it's a 17-1 ratio of GOP to Dems on dollars donated to a political race, and the Dem is neck-and-neck, it's obvious that a nonmaterial factor is at play. And that factor is Trumpy himself. His own disgraced brand has now infected the entire GOP. And Trumpy can't stop being a negative factor because he demands that he's front and center on every news cycle with his caustic, insulting, miserable displays of narcissism.

Let him and all of the GOP rot. They all bought into Trumpy and Putin (which now appears to be one and the same). Now their brand has turned to shit. More shit, every day.

Response to Eyeball_Kid (Reply #2)

 

LBM20

(1,580 posts)
22. GOOD! That is just the kind of Democrat we need in those areas. I JUST SENT HIM A DONATION!
Fri Feb 23, 2018, 07:58 PM
Feb 2018

Ideological purity is DEATH to the Dem Party. You run the kind of candidates who can WIN. And a moderate Dem sure as hell is better than a right wing RePUKElican.

BumRushDaShow

(129,197 posts)
5. I think the problem with the media analysis is
Fri Feb 23, 2018, 10:33 AM
Feb 2018

that they keep basing this all on districts that voted for Drumpf vs which ones actually HAVE County/local elected officials who are Democrats. I.e., several of the Counties in that currently (convoluted) district have a majority Democratic Party advantage in terms of registration. But in their case, they vote (R) for national (at least the last couple Presidential elections) but (D) locally. In fact, if I'm not mistaken, they voted for Clinton vs Obama during the 2008 primary and thus she won the PA primary, able to overcome the Philly effect.

Fred Sanders

(23,946 posts)
9. Since much of the millions in ads were bought by the NRA, or they did a direct contribution, maybe
Fri Feb 23, 2018, 11:43 AM
Feb 2018

those conservative Democrats will see the light.

FakeNoose

(32,669 posts)
15. Yes it's not "deep red" like they're saying on the Vox blog
Fri Feb 23, 2018, 04:53 PM
Feb 2018

My sister lives in the 18th district (Irwin/Norwin Hills/Manor area) plus I have many other friends who live in the far suburbs that became the 18th. This district is one of the worst gerrymanders by the way, and it was done to help Tim Murphy get re-elected in a skate.

So the 18th is not deep red, it's more like 45/55 but it could easily go to 55/45 in this March election. I've seen many yard signs for Lamb but nothing for Saccone while driving around my sister's area. On TV (Pittsburgh market) there have been tons of Saccone TV ads, and only occasional ones for Lamb. My guess is that Conor Lamb has a limited advertising budget and he's trying to save it for the last week before the election.

I sure hope Conor Lamb wins this, and it doesn't need to be a landslide either. Just squeaking by is all it takes.

BumRushDaShow

(129,197 posts)
16. Hoping for the best
Fri Feb 23, 2018, 05:02 PM
Feb 2018

and if the new map holds through court challenges, it seems they will need to go through this again in the reconfigured districts there.

 

oberliner

(58,724 posts)
17. It's not "deep-red Pennsylvania"
Fri Feb 23, 2018, 05:18 PM
Feb 2018

There are thousands more Democrats in the district than Republicans.

 

LBM20

(1,580 posts)
24. But MANY of those registered Dems have been voting for R's because of the cultural issues. We need
Fri Feb 23, 2018, 08:18 PM
Feb 2018

Dems who are social conservatives but economic populists who can win again in these areas.

It is like John Bell Edwards, Democratic Governor in Louisiana. He is a social conservative but progressive on healthcare, education, unions, and job creation. And GOOD! We need to be a big tent party that can win EVERYWHERE.

Cha

(297,379 posts)
32. Right.. but it said.. Some Dems in that
Sun Feb 25, 2018, 06:39 AM
Feb 2018

District have been voting repub. I don't know how many but it's been Red for a long time

PA Democrat

(13,225 posts)
34. This district is crazy though.
Sun Feb 25, 2018, 08:10 AM
Feb 2018

Despite holding I believe a 6 point advantage over Republicans, voters here voted for Trump by almost 20 points. Tim Murphy ran unopposed in the last two election cycles.

The major local newspaper in Westmoreland County is the Tribune Review which was owned by Richard Mellon Scaife and is like a print version of FOX News. The Trib has bought up every other small local paper in the county and now is in direct competition in Allegheny County with the only other major paper, the unbiased Pittsburgh Post Gazette. Before he died, Scaife was subsidizing the Trib to the tune of MILLIONS a year to keep it afloat so that he could heavily skew the contents of the paper for the Republican party. Since Scaife died, the paper has laid off workers but continues to put out a right wing rag disguised as "news".

Additionally, the district has a lot of older Catholic voters and the church puts out voters' "guides" which urge people to vote based upon three issues: abortion, school prayer and school "choice".

red dog 1

(27,830 posts)
21. "Focused on recapturing blue-collar workers, Lamb's campaign represents one school of thought -
Fri Feb 23, 2018, 06:35 PM
Feb 2018

-- going back to labor-liberal economic values and working with unions to retake territory in Midwest and Rust Belt states that voted for Donald Trump in 2016."

Sounds good to me!


Kick & Recommend!

DinahMoeHum

(21,798 posts)
27. GROUND GAME, people. It's gonna boil down to the ground game.
Sat Feb 24, 2018, 12:00 PM
Feb 2018

The other side may outspend you, but never let them out-work you.

We must bust ours. . .to kick theirs.

John1956PA

(2,655 posts)
30. Saccone sponsored the "Year of the Bible" Pennsylvania State House resolution in 2012.
Sun Feb 25, 2018, 06:10 AM
Feb 2018

The resolution was passed unanimously by the Pennsylvania House of Legislators.

Cha

(297,379 posts)
31. He says if he wins he won't support Nancy
Sun Feb 25, 2018, 06:37 AM
Feb 2018

Pelosi for Speaker.. I don't think Nancy is worried.

And, this from Biden.. he forgets who the Democratic Base is.. It's African American Women and Men.. in that order.

Still others, including former Vice President Joe Biden, say Democrats can do both. At a recent speech in front of House Democrats, Biden said the notion that Democrats have to choose between blue-collar workers and their progressive base was a “false debate.”

“It’s a false debate we’re having among ourselves, in my opinion,” he said. “Let’s not rip ourselves apart in a debate that is irrelevant.”

IronLionZion

(45,471 posts)
36. Sounds like his plan is to win back blue collar workers who fell for Trump's lies
Mon Feb 26, 2018, 12:09 AM
Feb 2018

and are wondering why it hasn't helped yet. All politics is local. This sounds doable. Lamb can win.

“He’s got local ties; he’s a local guy,” said Tim Waters, political director for the United Steelworkers Political Action Committee. “He’s a young guy with a lot of energy ... right down the line on issues that affect workers in this district.”

Focused almost exclusively on local issues, Lamb has nevertheless stumbled into a long-running debate about how the Democratic Party can claw its way back to the majority after 2016.

markpkessinger

(8,401 posts)
37. Good to hear, but Pennsylvania has never been "deep red"
Mon Feb 26, 2018, 05:07 AM
Feb 2018

I was born and raised in a pretty conservative part of the state (Clinton County). And even there, it was decidedly purple.

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