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DonViejo

(60,536 posts)
Fri Mar 9, 2018, 08:59 AM Mar 2018

Parkland Deputy Told Cops to Stay Away During Shooting

Source: The Daily Beast



A Broward County sheriff’s deputy who resigned amid public outrage for failing to enter a Florida high school during a mass shooting last month reportedly told other police officers to stay out of the building as well. According to radio dispatches released Thursday, the deputy, Scott Peterson, reportedly told fellow officers to make sure “no one comes inside the school,” even as calls flooded into 911 call centers about the chaos inside Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School, where 17 people were killed. Despite publicly claiming he believed the gunfire was coming from outside the school, Peterson can be heard in the radio dispatches saying the gunfire was inside the building, the Miami Herald reports. Nonetheless, he told officers to “stay at least 500 feet away at this point,” a command which a dispatcher then relayed to other police officers. It wasn’t until 11 minutes after the shooting began that police officers finally entered the building, a fact that has brought new scrutiny to the Broward County Sheriff’s Office’s handling of the massacre, which is already under review by the Florida Department of Law Enforcement.

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Parkland Deputy Told Cops to Stay Away During Shooting (Original Post) DonViejo Mar 2018 OP
The CT gun nutz will say, "of course he did". Ligyron Mar 2018 #1
It's easy for macho-men gunners to second guess someone after the fact groundloop Mar 2018 #2
"Active Shooter Protocol" MichMary Mar 2018 #3
Here is a link to a 60-page document regarding MichMary Mar 2018 #4
A couple years ago, I had a required training seminar BumRushDaShow Mar 2018 #5
Yup MichMary Mar 2018 #6
OK tough guy Spouting1horn Mar 2018 #11
A Law Enforcement Officer is paid to do just that. Merlot Mar 2018 #12
I'm not a law enforcement officer MichMary Mar 2018 #13
Now you did it. You used the "fully automatic" term. Paladin Mar 2018 #14
It's in the job description, sorry. AtheistCrusader Mar 2018 #18
Did you mean to sound hostile? irisblue Mar 2018 #19
This is what happens when you have a good guy(s) with a gun UpInArms Mar 2018 #7
I take issue with the assertion that he was 'good'. nt B2G Mar 2018 #8
+1 MichMary Mar 2018 #15
That's why we need to do away with guns JI7 Mar 2018 #20
Total failure inwiththenew Mar 2018 #9
Another angle for victims' families' lawsuits-- training Nash Teeth Mar 2018 #10
Supposedly, MichMary Mar 2018 #16
I see three primary issues: AzureCrest Mar 2018 #17

Ligyron

(7,633 posts)
1. The CT gun nutz will say, "of course he did".
Fri Mar 9, 2018, 09:03 AM
Mar 2018

He was a deep state actor who wanted to make the carnage worse in hopes of getting tougher gun legislation passed.

You just watch...

groundloop

(11,519 posts)
2. It's easy for macho-men gunners to second guess someone after the fact
Fri Mar 9, 2018, 09:05 AM
Mar 2018

99 percent of them would be hiding behind a tree and shitting their pants if bullets were flying.

MichMary

(1,714 posts)
3. "Active Shooter Protocol"
Fri Mar 9, 2018, 09:38 AM
Mar 2018

Look it up. It's a real thing. And it involves LEO going to the sound of gunfire in order to mitigate the death and destruction.

Cruz was allowed 11 minutes to wreak havoc on unarmed students and staff, while the people whose job it was to protect them stood around with their thumbs up their asses waiting til it was over to just write up a report, or something.

MichMary

(1,714 posts)
4. Here is a link to a 60-page document regarding
Fri Mar 9, 2018, 09:57 AM
Mar 2018

what the police response to an active shooter situation SHOULD be:

http://www.policeforum.org/assets/docs/Critical_Issues_Series/the%20police%20response%20to%20active%20shooter%20incidents%202014.pdf

Columbine brought about a sea change in police
tactics. “Contain and negotiate” may be appropriate
for hostage incidents or situations where a person is
barricaded in a room and unable to harm victims.
But it is not appropriate for active shooter incidents.
Columbine resulted in new approaches in which
patrol officers are being trained to respond to active
shooters as quickly as possible.


This is from the article posted in the OP:
BSO policy calls for deputies to engage an active shooter and eliminate the threat.


The bottom line here is that the guy didn't do his job. Whether he could have saved any lives isn't known, but what is known is that he never even tried.

BumRushDaShow

(129,053 posts)
5. A couple years ago, I had a required training seminar
Fri Mar 9, 2018, 10:19 AM
Mar 2018

that pretty much said the same as what you indicated. It included a video as illustration. Essentially in active shooter situations, LEO are trained & instructed to "neutralize" (their term) or "take out" (my term) the "threat" (shooter). The video gave various scenarios of how the employees should react/shelter when such a situation was going on based on where they were in relation to the potential shooter(s), including remaining in or sheltering in a room, barricading the door, and staying down under/behind desks other objects to wait for further instructions.

MichMary

(1,714 posts)
6. Yup
Fri Mar 9, 2018, 10:26 AM
Mar 2018

At Columbine, LEO set up a perimeter, as they had been trained to do. What that meant was that Harris and Klebold had more than a half hour to roam the school and murder at will.

Columbine was analyzed six ways to Sunday, and the end result was the protocols that were in place--and ignored--in Parkland.

I really don't understand how Peterson has garnered so much support from people here. He had a job to do, and he didn't do it.

MichMary

(1,714 posts)
13. I'm not a law enforcement officer
Fri Mar 9, 2018, 10:53 AM
Mar 2018

I haven't been trained, and have never even touched a gun. So your whole post is irrelevant.

Why train officers to do anything, if they are just going to flip out and do nothing when they have to do their jobs?

This isn't that hard--Peterson had a job to do, and he didn't do it.

Paladin

(28,262 posts)
14. Now you did it. You used the "fully automatic" term.
Fri Mar 9, 2018, 10:53 AM
Mar 2018

Pro-gunner vocabulary enforcers, in-coming in 10, 9, 8..........

AtheistCrusader

(33,982 posts)
18. It's in the job description, sorry.
Fri Mar 9, 2018, 11:57 AM
Mar 2018

If it's all you have, you go in with a fucking toothbrush, but you still go in.

But that aside (and misidentification of the weapon aside), it's one thing to fail to respond yourself, but quite another to discourage others from acting in response as well.

That is quite the interesting finding. Bit of a record-scratch sound as you read through the various narratives of the response.

UpInArms

(51,284 posts)
7. This is what happens when you have a good guy(s) with a gun
Fri Mar 9, 2018, 10:26 AM
Mar 2018

The tragedy continues to be worse than we knew ...

inwiththenew

(972 posts)
9. Total failure
Fri Mar 9, 2018, 10:33 AM
Mar 2018

As has been pointed out the book has been written on how to deal with an active shooter since Columbine. This will probably be another case study in law enforcement training. Unfortunately it seems like these lessons need to be written in blood.

Nash Teeth

(57 posts)
10. Another angle for victims' families' lawsuits-- training
Fri Mar 9, 2018, 10:36 AM
Mar 2018

The dept was responsible for providing training related to the active shooter protocol.

 

AzureCrest

(65 posts)
17. I see three primary issues:
Fri Mar 9, 2018, 11:01 AM
Mar 2018

1 - Training as you have stated

2 - Personnel decision - who decided to assign this deputy at the school

3 - Leadership - who was making decisions regarding whether to enter the building; and when.

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