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DaDeacon

(984 posts)
Tue Apr 3, 2018, 11:58 AM Apr 2018

Judge hands down first sentence in Mueller probe

Source: The Hill

A federal judge on Tuesday sentenced Dutch lawyer Alex van der Zwaan to 30 days in prison for lying to federal investigators, according to multiple reports, in the first criminal sentence to result from special counsel Robert Mueller's investigation.

Van der Zwaan, who was also ordered to pay $20,000 in fines, pleaded guilty in late February to making “materially false, fictitious, and fraudulent statements and representations” to the special counsel’s office and FBI agents.

According to the indictment, Van der Zwaan lied about his contacts with Trump campaign official Richard Gates and a Ukraine-based business associate of both Gates and former Trump campaign chairman Paul Manafort. He then tried to cover his tracks by deleting emails that the special counsel's office had requested.

Press reports have identified the businessman as Konstantin Kilimnik, a former Russian intelligence officer and a longtime associate of Gates and Manafort.

Read more: http://thehill.com/policy/national-security/381413-judge-hands-down-first-sentence-in-mueller-probe



dammmmn....
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Judge hands down first sentence in Mueller probe (Original Post) DaDeacon Apr 2018 OP
30 days - what an insult. You or I lie to FBI/other law enforcement and we're going down. iluvtennis Apr 2018 #1
Either that or he dished up something Muaeller wanted in exchange for leniency. We shall see. dameatball Apr 2018 #2
No, it probably means that Van Der Whatever has probably rolled over... Raster Apr 2018 #3
Somehow I doubt that Clarity2 Apr 2018 #12
No question. InAbLuEsTaTe Apr 2018 #26
Cooperating witness privilege? YessirAtsaFact Apr 2018 #4
That and perhaps saving him from being shanked inside by a Putin or tRump paid assassin. Texin Apr 2018 #6
Cooperating witness- wonder what he spilled to do only 30 days... mpcamb Apr 2018 #16
Maybe part of a plea deal? chia Apr 2018 #5
I wonder atreides1 Apr 2018 #7
30 days? sandensea Apr 2018 #8
He'll definitely need some free digs. SunSeeker Apr 2018 #15
This appears to be a high maintenance man. Corgigal Apr 2018 #9
MSNBC reported last night that the sentence was not expected to be more than 6 months. SunSeeker Apr 2018 #10
24 / 7 ! stonecutter357 Apr 2018 #11
Let's hope he earned the same name as a TeeVee dolphin Julian Englis Apr 2018 #13
My understanding was that he had agreed to cooperate, but then lied to Mueller. The 30 days is OnDoutside Apr 2018 #14
Martha Stewart received 5 months plus 2 years probation for lying to feds. sinkingfeeling Apr 2018 #17
well, she's a hardened criminal. kwassa Apr 2018 #18
And a woman. iluvtennis Apr 2018 #23
The maximum was only 90 days. They just needed this guy to plead guilty... marble falls Apr 2018 #19
Lock him up! Lock him up! Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Apr 2018 #20
I hope this isn't indicative of future "slap on the wrist" sentences for the other creeps ailsagirl Apr 2018 #21
Maybe thinking back a bit, Nixon engaged as a traitor to the US nolabels Apr 2018 #22
Pretty light sentence. But it was a plea deal, and at least it has prison time. Honeycombe8 Apr 2018 #24
So that's what these guys get for lying? 30 days. Kablooie Apr 2018 #25

iluvtennis

(19,862 posts)
1. 30 days - what an insult. You or I lie to FBI/other law enforcement and we're going down.
Tue Apr 3, 2018, 12:00 PM
Apr 2018

white male privilege.

Raster

(20,998 posts)
3. No, it probably means that Van Der Whatever has probably rolled over...
Tue Apr 3, 2018, 12:03 PM
Apr 2018

...and is now actively cooperating with Team Mueller.

Clarity2

(1,009 posts)
12. Somehow I doubt that
Tue Apr 3, 2018, 12:33 PM
Apr 2018

He seems to me the least likely to ever flip. His father in law is a russian oligarch, and I dont think he was facing a lot of time even if the book was thrown at him. Theres just not enough incentive there.

atreides1

(16,079 posts)
7. I wonder
Tue Apr 3, 2018, 12:08 PM
Apr 2018

With this conviction, and him being a Dutch national, isn't he a candidate for deportation once he completes his sentence?

SunSeeker

(51,568 posts)
15. He'll definitely need some free digs.
Tue Apr 3, 2018, 01:07 PM
Apr 2018

The Skadden law firm Van Der Zwaan was working at fired him last year and is cooperating with the investigation.  Now he has a felony on his record related to lying. Good luck finding a legal job.

Corgigal

(9,291 posts)
9. This appears to be a high maintenance man.
Tue Apr 3, 2018, 12:12 PM
Apr 2018

He will sing, if he hasn't already by day 7.

Put me down for ten, our DU bookie.

SunSeeker

(51,568 posts)
10. MSNBC reported last night that the sentence was not expected to be more than 6 months.
Tue Apr 3, 2018, 12:16 PM
Apr 2018

And could very well simply be probation. Not sure why. But given that reporting, the 30 day sentence is not a surprise.

OnDoutside

(19,960 posts)
14. My understanding was that he had agreed to cooperate, but then lied to Mueller. The 30 days is
Tue Apr 3, 2018, 12:45 PM
Apr 2018

a little slap, to say "don't lie to us", presumably because he then came clean.

marble falls

(57,099 posts)
19. The maximum was only 90 days. They just needed this guy to plead guilty...
Tue Apr 3, 2018, 02:19 PM
Apr 2018

this is a big conspiracy: if one person is guilty, then there are other guilty. The first small cakes, the first domino.

nolabels

(13,133 posts)
22. Maybe thinking back a bit, Nixon engaged as a traitor to the US
Tue Apr 3, 2018, 03:10 PM
Apr 2018

Then got many US soldiers killed because of it and only was only issued a get of jail card (pardon) under the misnomer of 'obstruction of justice' and then took his retirement.

Knowing this, I don't get my hopes up when it comes to seeing federal government being able to solve much as it pertains to policing their own.

Honeycombe8

(37,648 posts)
24. Pretty light sentence. But it was a plea deal, and at least it has prison time.
Tue Apr 3, 2018, 09:13 PM
Apr 2018

It sends a message, also. The next guy may think about having to serve prison time, and that maybe he won't be so lucky as to get only 30 days. And he'll have a felony conviction on his record.

Kablooie

(18,634 posts)
25. So that's what these guys get for lying? 30 days.
Tue Apr 3, 2018, 09:42 PM
Apr 2018

We may be in for a huge disappointment if that's the most they can get.
No deterrent at all.

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