S.C. Republicans introduce bill to consider secession over gun rights

[DonViejo]

Source: The Hill




BY MAX GREENWOOD - 04/06/18 03:12 PM EDT

A group of Republican state legislators in South Carolina introduced a measure Thursday that would allow the state to secede from the United States if the federal government began to seize legally purchased firearms in the state.

The bill, which was referred to the state House Judiciary Committee on Thursday, would allow South Carolina lawmakers to debate whether to secede from the United States if the federal government were to violate the Second Amendment.

It states that "the general assembly shall convene to consider whether to secede from the United States based upon the federal government's unconstitutional violation of the Second Amendment to the United States Constitution if the federal government confiscates legally purchased firearms in this state."

The measure, introduced by GOP Reps. Mike Pitts, Jonathon Hill and Ashley Trantham, comes amid an intense debate over the nation's gun laws that was reignited in February after a deadly mass shooting in Parkland, Fla.

Read more: http://thehill.com/homenews/state-watch/382003-south-carolina-house-republicans-introduce-bill-to-consider-secession

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South Carolina became the first state to secede from the Union in the lead up to the Civil War, withdrawing in 1860.

[DownriverDem]

1. If only

We had let the south leave in the 1860s. All they do is hold us back.

[earthshine]

38. Then, slavery would have continued ...

An elementary school teacher tried to give me a snow job that the civil war was about secession rights.

Well, wrong.

It was about ending slavery.

[olddad56]

47. then too bad we couldn't have worked something out once we won the civil war..

and helped everyone who wanted to leave the south, leave.

The US would be way ahead of the game, had the south become a separate nation.

Maybe with Putin in control of the US, it will come down to that. Let the states that want out, form new nations. Let the southern states be a nation, let the midwest become a country, let the west coast become a country,etc. Let the regions be sovereign nations and let the ones that want to work together form an economic union like the EU.

I wish South Carolina the best in their efforts.

[GeoWilliam750]

48. It was more about the refusal to allow the expansion of slavery

And the South's continued ability to count property as people to have an outsize influence in the House of Representatives (three fifths law). It was also about the their ability to continue to dominate the Senate by having an expansion of slave states. The Union was expanding with the prospect of more free states with the result that slave states would have found themselves in an electoral minority. Thus, of the fist 16 presidential elections, 13 were won by men born in the slave holding states/slave holding families, despite a minority of the actual population (Van Buren was then effectively appointed by Jackson). The next two were Northerners sympathetic to slaveholders. Then came Lincoln - who did not actually plan to end slavery, but only to end the expansion of slavery.

There was very little real movement in the North to end slavery.

I have been reading and studying the subject for 40 years, and I invariably come away perplexed and disgusted.

Then again, all in, about 20 million people willingly sacrificed themselves in WWI for the sick power struggle of a few dozen serious nut cases.

Thus, we should not be really surprised by what is going on today. When people are frightened, they focus entirely on their (usually manufactured) fear, and will do nearly whatever they are told to do in order to alleviate that - almost completely manufactured and not actually real - fear - including sending themselves and all of their families to suffering and death.

[Hoyt]

2. Leave it to white wingers, guns and owning people only reasons to secede from USA.

[turbinetree]

3. Hey there SC.................so what do want to do, if the other states demand repayment

for "all" of the money that we gave you.......................I want our money back, from the Military bases, highway funds, etc.....................did these twits read how the Constitution was written................in the first place......................



November 2018 cannot get here fast enough

[Girard442]

4. How about a little "practice secession"?

We'll just put roadblocks up on I-95 where it crosses the state lines and check every traveler's papers -- verrrry carefully. See how y'all like a little taste of Carolexit.

[ThoughtCriminal]

5. How did that work out for them before?

[Sam McGee]

6. Well . . .

[Cryptoad]

7. I say,,,,,,

as soon as they pay back all the Federal money we have given them,,,, we set them free

[joshdawg]

8. Don't let the door hit you on the butt!

Secession worked out really well in the 1860's didn't it?
Dumbasses!

[MurrayDelph]

35. Actually, they SHOULD let the door hit them in the butt

Unless they're afraid of hurting their heads.

[Fresh_Start]

9. we will definitely need strict border control and high tariffs to protect

from that insane leadership

[keithbvadu2]

10. Pay your share of the national debt on the way out. Don't forget to build a wall.

Pay your share of the national debt on the way out.

Don't forget to build a wall.

[procon]

11. Good luck with that, South Carolina rakes in more federal money than most states.

Talk about shooting themselves in the foot (heh-heh-heh):

"SC does better than most in receiving federal dollars. South Carolina receives $7.87 in federal funds for every dollar spent in income taxes, the highest ratio of any state..."

Raise your hand if you think these hucksters are using this cock and bull story to play on the ignorance of their base to con them out of donations and trick them into voting for more Republicans.

[SouthernLiberal]

12. I live in South Carolina

But I am an American first. I bet I could find a 'good' lawyer to sue the state for enough damages to move back to the USA.

[TygrBright]

13. Does this mean we can stop sending them all that Federal dough?

I'd be okay with it, then.

I mean, look how well it worked last time.

ironically,
Bright

[bunny planet]

14. oh really

Don't let the door hit ya....

[BobTheSubgenius]

15. Posturing.

Playing to the base with nonsense.

[kairos12]

16. Didn't SC try this in 1861?

[jaysunb]

17. We'll have to move Fort Jackson, so...

you folks are going to look elsewhere for your main source of revenue.

[Sancho]

18. I succeeded in leaving SC! It was a very good move.

[liberalhistorian]

19. Good riddance,

go for it! That damned state and many of its regional counterparts have done NOTHING in our nation's history but fuck the country over and continually bring us down. They're still the same hateful, ignorant, bigoted, backwater, anti-constitutional, dumbass troglodytes they were 150 years ago. Fuck SC and all its sympathizers. This time, let them GO. The older I get, the more I wish we'd just done that the first time.

[Lonestarblue]

20. Go ahead and leave. Good riddance!

How much would it cost to build a wall around South Carolina?

[old guy]

21. Bye bye.

[Cold War Spook]

22. Amendmentm XIV section 1.

No state shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States. How do they get around that?

[Quemado]

23. Supreme Court decision: Texas v. White in 1869

the court ruled that the Constitution did not permit states to unilaterally secede from the United States, and that the ordinances of secession, and all the acts of the legislatures within seceding states intended to give effect to such ordinances, were "absolutely null", per https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Texas_v._White

[angrychair]

24. ROFL

SC takes almost $8 from the federal government for every $1 it pays in taxes.

What exactly are this dumbasses trying to do? If they leave the union the US will save billions of dollars!

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.theatlantic.com/amp/article/361668/

[Gore1FL]

25. This time, let's let them leave. nt

[people]

26. YAY!!! GOODBY!!!!

[chuckstevens]

27. Don't .... Stop..... Please.... Come Back.....

[jpak]

28. No US military bases for you

Buh Bye!

[Binkie The Clown]

29. Better off without them. nt

[sinkingfeeling]

30. Go, and take the other Confederate states with you. Let's see how you

do without federal dollars.

[HAB911]

31. LOL, that worked so well before

TOO FUNNY

[no_hypocrisy]

32. IMO, it appears this isn't about guns primarily.

Someone wants to "re-litigate" the Civil War and win it this time.

[malthaussen]

33. Because it worked so well the first time. n/t

[radliberal]

34. PLEASE LEAVE!!!

If I had my way every one of these red states can all leave..............VOTE THEM OUT!!!

[Eko]

36. But it wont be because of guns,

it will be about freedom. Derp

[BumRushDaShow]

41. You left the "s" off of

"freedoms". It's plural ya know!!1111!!!!

[Stonepounder]

37. I've always said, if a state wants to leave, let them. But...

All Federal Aid stops. Everybody living in that state will have their Citizenship revoked and will need to apply for a Passport to reenter the US. All Military personnel will be withdrawn from the state and border crossing points will be set up. All Federal Contracts within the state will be cancelled immediately. FDIC will cancel insurance coverage for all banks in the state. Businesses within the state will need to apply for import/export licences for any goods they need to buy or wish to sell outside the state. All Federal employees will need to either relocate back to the US or leave their jobs. This would include Judges, FBI, ATF, Treasury, etc. Agents. And so on. See how they like their new Shithole country.

[pecosbob]

39. I'd love to see them take this legislative step

I love it when they go full-on whackadoodle.

[BumRushDaShow]

40. By Felicia

(and take Lindsey Graham, Tim Scott, AND Jim DeMint with you)

[rickford66]

42. I have relatives in SC and visit occasionally. It's already another country.

[mahina]

49. My Mom said the same thing. She lived there when Grandad was stationed there in the 40s

I’m sorry to hear it’s still the same.

[paleotn]

43. Not just 1860....

They tried this shit in 1833. The nullification crises. SC is a trivial state that thinks better of itself than it should.

[NCjack]

44. We go through this foolishness every several years. No one is leaving. SC is being

dragged slowly into the 21st century, and it is giving some of them the red ass.

[Orange Free State]

45. The United States can not have weapons and military personnel in areas of questionable loyalty.

So every time the word “secession” in uttered by an officeholder, one command should be relocated to a loyal American area. Let them lose the money from all those jobs. That’s what a strong President would do, if we had one.

[YOHABLO]

46. Laughable. Their interpretation of the 2nd Amendment is all wrong in the first place.