Welcome to DU! The truly grassroots left-of-center political community where regular people, not algorithms, drive the discussions and set the standards. Join the community: Create a free account Support DU (and get rid of ads!): Become a Star Member Latest Breaking News General Discussion The DU Lounge All Forums Issue Forums Culture Forums Alliance Forums Region Forums Support Forums Help & Search

Capt. Obvious

(9,002 posts)
Thu Aug 23, 2012, 12:43 PM Aug 2012

The Bain Files: Inside Mitt Romney’s Tax-Dodging Cayman Schemes

Source: Gawker

Mitt Romney's $250 million fortune is largely a black hole: Aside from the meager and vague disclosures he has filed under federal and Massachusetts laws, and the two years of partial tax returns (one filed and another provisional) he has released, there is almost no data on precisely what his vast holdings consist of, or what vehicles he has used to escape taxes on his income. Gawker has obtained a massive cache of confidential financial documents that shed a great deal of light on those finances, and on the tax-dodging tricks available to the hyper-rich that he has used to keep his effective tax rate at roughly 13% over the last decade.

Today, we are publishing more than 950 pages of internal audits, financial statements, and private investor letters for 21 cryptically named entities in which Romney had invested—at minimum—more than $10 million as of 2011 (that number is based on the low end of ranges he has disclosed—the true number is almost certainly significantly higher). Almost all of them are affiliated with Bain Capital, the secretive private equity firm Romney co-founded in 1984 and ran until his departure in 1999 (or 2002, depending on whom you ask). Many of them are offshore funds based in the Cayman Islands. Together, they reveal the mind-numbing, maze-like, and deeply opaque complexity with which Romney has handled his wealth, the exotic tax-avoidance schemes available only to the preposterously wealthy that benefit him, the unlikely (for a right-wing religious Mormon) places that his money has ended up, and the deeply hypocritical distance between his own criticisms of Obama's fiscal approach and his money managers' embrace of those same policies. They also show that some of the investments that Romney has always described as part of his retirement package at Bain weren't made until years after he left the company.

Bain isn't a company so much as an intricate suite of steadily proliferating inter-related holding companies and limited partnerships, some based in Delaware and others in the Cayman Islands, Luxembourg, and elsewhere, designed to collectively house roughly $66 billion in wealth in its many crevices and chambers. When Romney left in 1999, he and his wife retained significant investments in many of those Bain vehicles—he claims they are "passive investments" and that they are managed in a blind trust (though the trustee isn't blind enough to meet federal standards of independence). But aside from disparate snippets of information contained in his federal and Massachusetts financial disclosure forms, his 2010 tax returns, and SEC filings, the nature of those investments has been obfuscated by design.

When he disclosed his finances to the U.S. Office of Government Ethics in 2007, Romney took care to publish the underlying holdings of many funds he invested with—after disclosing his $1 million-plus stake in "GS 2002 Exchange Place Fund LP," for instance, he listed six pages of individual equities the fund held, from Panera Bread Co. to Tribune Co. But when it came to the Bain investments, he simply listed the value of his investments in odd-sounding entities like "Sankaty High Yield Partners II LP" with no indication of what was inside. In an accompanying note, he claimed that he had tried and failed to get the information: "The filer has requested information about the underlying holdings of these funds and values and income amounts for these underlying holdings. However, the fund managers have informed the filer in writing that this information is confidential and proprietary, and has declined to provide such information."



Read more: http://gawker.com/5936394/



Some light reading.
33 replies = new reply since forum marked as read
Highlight: NoneDon't highlight anything 5 newestHighlight 5 most recent replies
The Bain Files: Inside Mitt Romney’s Tax-Dodging Cayman Schemes (Original Post) Capt. Obvious Aug 2012 OP
I'm so glad we're past this Aiken smoke screen diversion and back to what really matters. xtraxritical Aug 2012 #1
I think we can handle both Capt. Obvious Aug 2012 #3
Willard's IRA investment returned 100-1000% in one year???!!!!! wordpix Aug 2012 #25
They lost me after the first paragraph shawn703 Aug 2012 #2
And that would be why we have not seen any tax returns from Romney. liberal N proud Aug 2012 #8
Basically says Rmoney has been hiding billion$ & engaging in tax avoidance schemes including wordpix Aug 2012 #21
Damn! Why couldn't think come out in October??!?!? Liberal_Stalwart71 Aug 2012 #4
Isn't today Thursday?? TrogL Aug 2012 #12
Not in Australia mate Capt. Obvious Aug 2012 #13
LOL!! It sure is. Feels like Friday because I'll be off! Liberal_Stalwart71 Aug 2012 #18
it's fine it's out now, there's a lot of sifting to do wordpix Aug 2012 #31
Really? fifthoffive Aug 2012 #5
"In an accompanying note, he claimed that he had tried and failed to get the information" yea right wordpix Aug 2012 #22
(Suspected) names here: Amonester Aug 2012 #28
yes you're right and don't forget the 4 sons, I'm sure they're "managers" too wordpix Aug 2012 #30
What Daddy Romney said... Octafish Aug 2012 #6
WikiRomney Skink Aug 2012 #7
"Proprietary"? How can investment funds be louis-t Aug 2012 #9
What is this Sankaty High Yield Fund? Never heard of it. And who are the fund managers? wordpix Aug 2012 #23
Sankaty was one of the sub-corporations inside Bain in 2000. Igel Aug 2012 #29
I am wondering if the Mormon church is involved in his investments dixiegrrrrl Aug 2012 #10
DAYUM! I just read that Salon story. YIKES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! calimary Aug 2012 #16
article intimates as much wordpix Aug 2012 #33
someone at Bain doesn't like Mitt wilt the stilt Aug 2012 #11
was just reading some docs & they're highly confidential - everything is top secret! wordpix Aug 2012 #27
Republican Occultism as enacted by Bishop Willard is a Berlum Aug 2012 #14
Like the skidmarks many little kids leave on their bedsheets, you mean? calimary Aug 2012 #15
You have a point, CM, but I am sticking with polite Berlum Aug 2012 #17
I felt that way too - until I just had a belly-full. calimary Aug 2012 #26
between her sisters and me, I got a Xtian fundie friend to change to D from R wordpix Aug 2012 #32
My first album will be called "Obfuscated By Design.":) n/t Bossy Monkey Aug 2012 #19
Mitt Sinning at Bain Texas-Limerick Aug 2012 #20
"Bain [is] designed to collectively house roughly $66 billion in wealth in its many crevices & wordpix Aug 2012 #24
 

xtraxritical

(3,576 posts)
1. I'm so glad we're past this Aiken smoke screen diversion and back to what really matters.
Thu Aug 23, 2012, 12:48 PM
Aug 2012

Give us ten years of tax returns Willard rat, like your daddy told you to do.

wordpix

(18,652 posts)
25. Willard's IRA investment returned 100-1000% in one year???!!!!!
Thu Aug 23, 2012, 04:53 PM
Aug 2012
Hey you regular investors making your 3-5%/year if you're lucky, sign onto Rmoney's program and you won't have to pay taxes on these gains!

Sankaty Credit Opportunities LP

John Cook

This document is part of a package on Mitt Romney's Bain holdings. For the full report, go here.

Sankaty Credit Opportunities LP is a Delaware-based limited partnership. As of 2009, it held $266 million in assets and reported a $52 million increase in capital for the year.

In 2011, the Ann D. Romney Blind Trust held between $50,000 and $100,000 in the partnership and earned between $5,000 and $15,000. In 2006, the Ann Romney Trust held between $100,000 and $250,000 and earned between $50,000 and $100,000. In 2006, Mitt Romney's IRA held between $50,000 and $100,000 and earned between $100,000 and $1 mllion.

http://gawker.com/5933809:

wordpix

(18,652 posts)
21. Basically says Rmoney has been hiding billion$ & engaging in tax avoidance schemes including
Thu Aug 23, 2012, 04:35 PM
Aug 2012

investments he doesn't know about b/c there is no information due to "proprietary" (business-secret) info.

Nothing we didn't know but now we have more documents to wade through.

 

Liberal_Stalwart71

(20,450 posts)
4. Damn! Why couldn't think come out in October??!?!?
Thu Aug 23, 2012, 12:58 PM
Aug 2012

It's the Friday Document Dump! I don't trust it.

It's the work of the debil, KKKarl Rove & Co.!!

fifthoffive

(382 posts)
5. Really?
Thu Aug 23, 2012, 01:00 PM
Aug 2012

Is this really how it works? Romney has no idea what he's investing in?

But when it came to the Bain investments, he simply listed the value of his investments in odd-sounding entities like "Sankaty High Yield Partners II LP" with no indication of what was inside. In an accompanying note, he claimed that he had tried and failed to get the information: "The filer has requested information about the underlying holdings of these funds and values and income amounts for these underlying holdings. However, the fund managers have informed the filer in writing that this information is confidential and proprietary, and has declined to provide such information."


wordpix

(18,652 posts)
22. "In an accompanying note, he claimed that he had tried and failed to get the information" yea right
Thu Aug 23, 2012, 04:38 PM
Aug 2012

I'm sure he really tried to find out what his billions were invested in, and couldn't get the information. I'd really like to know who the "fund managers" of Sankaty High Yield Partners are. Name them, Rmoney.

wordpix

(18,652 posts)
23. What is this Sankaty High Yield Fund? Never heard of it. And who are the fund managers?
Thu Aug 23, 2012, 04:39 PM
Aug 2012

I smell bullshit and I for one want to clean it out of this barn.

Igel

(35,309 posts)
29. Sankaty was one of the sub-corporations inside Bain in 2000.
Fri Aug 24, 2012, 06:44 AM
Aug 2012

Don't know when it was founded.

I believe it was based, officially, in the Bahamas.

The fund managers would be a matter of public record. However, they might change from time to time.

At this point I doubt if Romney is a majority share holder in Sankaty, and probably isn't a majority shareholder of Bain Inv. That's nothing more than a hunch about how the organization's set up.


As for the organization's complexity, anybody who actually read the "Romney was CEO in 2001" documents would know that. Many different subportions of Bain had Roman numbers to ID them. And Sankaty was another one of the subportions. I'd imagine it'd be more complex now than then.

dixiegrrrrl

(60,010 posts)
10. I am wondering if the Mormon church is involved in his investments
Thu Aug 23, 2012, 01:21 PM
Aug 2012

and that is the reason he does not want to show them.

Today I read this, about his Mormon background and how he is seen as a key to a Mormon prophesy:
Romney and the White Horse Prophecy
A close look at the roots of Romney's -- and the Mormon church's -- political ambitions

http://www.salon.com/2012/01/29/mitt_and_the_white_horse_prophecy/

calimary

(81,267 posts)
16. DAYUM! I just read that Salon story. YIKES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Thu Aug 23, 2012, 03:24 PM
Aug 2012


Man, makes me even more ARDENTLY hoping he doesn't win! DAMN!!! The only thing standing between that real-life nightmare is Barack Obama.

wordpix

(18,652 posts)
33. article intimates as much
Fri Aug 24, 2012, 12:34 PM
Aug 2012

e.g. says that even though Mormons aren't supposed to gamble, they invest in gambling corps. We know Rmoney invested at least $3 million in Adelson's Sands casino. This was in another thread yesterday.

wordpix

(18,652 posts)
27. was just reading some docs & they're highly confidential - everything is top secret!
Thu Aug 23, 2012, 11:00 PM
Aug 2012

but now the cat's out of the bag just in time for the convention, too.

calimary

(81,267 posts)
15. Like the skidmarks many little kids leave on their bedsheets, you mean?
Thu Aug 23, 2012, 03:14 PM
Aug 2012

"Shit-stain" seems more accurate. "Skidmark" is being more polite.

calimary

(81,267 posts)
26. I felt that way too - until I just had a belly-full.
Thu Aug 23, 2012, 09:04 PM
Aug 2012

And, frankly, I am DONE with being polite or nice or cordial or accommodating. Tried it. Didn't help. Didn't work. Didn't earn any cooperation from them. They don't even want to hear about it.

I've had this running conversation with a friend who says she's a conservative. I repeatedly point out: you're on disability, you're female, you'd qualify as one of the have-nots according to them. And they hate you. They have NO interest whatsoever in you, your issues, your concerns, OR your needs. They see you as one of the people in the way of their making bigger profits. WHY IN GOD'S SWEET NAME do you align yourself with them? All those state and federal programs that assist you and provide you a safety net - who do you think came up with those? And who do you think fought every last one of them because they didn't want them and didn't want people like you to have them? And who would eagerly snatch those benefits away from you at this very moment if they could? Who's working hard to cut those things back and deny them to you and keep you from getting the help you need? And she has to concede - CONs are the ones working against her, whose interests and priorities are against her, and liberals are the ONLY reason she has any safety net to fall back on - AT ALL.

And she says - "well, I've always been that. It's hard to change." And I tell her - well, change is sometimes necessary, especially when you have to protect what little you have from the assholes wanting SO BADLY to take it away from you. And WHO are the assholes whose priority is to take it away from you? And WHO are the people trying to save those benefits and even dare we say try to increase them a little bit?

I keep having to point out to her -
WHO IS IT who's going after women?
WHO IS IT who thinks you have some mysterious thing inside your body that somehow prevents you from conceiving if you're raped?
WHO IS IT who's trying in states all across America to TAKE AWAY people's right to vote?
WHO IS IT who's busy trying to force their narrow anti-scientific views on the whole country?
WHO IS IT who's denying climate change and scoffing at studies that show health hazards from radiation and nuclear plants? (She lives in Santa Monica near the ocean and has been keeping track of the stories of glow-in-the-dark seaweed from the radiation that's moved over here from Fukushima.)
WHO IS IT who's cutting back on benefits for the handicapped - or wants to?
WHO IS IT who'd really like to see Medicare and Social Security and State Disability and other elements of the social safety net done away with, simply because they don't think government should do those things. They don't really think the government is there to promote and protect the public welfare.

And reluctantly she answers. She still clings to the old knee-jerk "Conservatives good! Liberals BAD!" crap she got from her parents and everybody else around her when she was a kid.

But I'm working on her.

wordpix

(18,652 posts)
32. between her sisters and me, I got a Xtian fundie friend to change to D from R
Fri Aug 24, 2012, 11:23 AM
Aug 2012

with these same arguments.

The only issues she's still stuck on are anti-gay ("they're SO militant! and gawd says homosex is WRONG&quot and pro-life.

 

Texas-Limerick

(93 posts)
20. Mitt Sinning at Bain
Thu Aug 23, 2012, 04:01 PM
Aug 2012

It's Gene Kelly's 100th Birthday, for Pete's sake!

And you know the tune:

I'm sinning at Bain
Just sinning at Bain
What a notorious feeling
I'm a vulture again
I 'm laughing at crowds
Of workers  at the gate
With greed in my heart
And I'm ready to hate
to hate

Let the stormy clouds chase
Everyone from the place
Come on with the rain
I've a smile on my face
I'll walk down the lane
With a happy refrain
Sinning, sinning while at Bain
at Bain

La...

I'm sinning at Bain
Just sinning at Bain
What a notorious  feeling
I'm a vulture  again
I walk down the lane
With a happy refrain
I'm sinning, sinning while at Bain

wordpix

(18,652 posts)
24. "Bain [is] designed to collectively house roughly $66 billion in wealth in its many crevices &
Thu Aug 23, 2012, 04:43 PM
Aug 2012

chambers" in places like the Caymans and Luxembourg, IOW in tax avoiding locales.

Tax Haven Mitt, who are the fund managers of your billiions that you couldn't get info from?

Latest Discussions»Latest Breaking News»The Bain Files: Inside Mi...