Golf club apologizes for calling cops on black women members

[Mrs. Overall]

Source: AP

YORK, Pa. (AP) — A golf club in Pennsylvania has apologized for calling police on a group of black women after the co-owner and his father said they were playing too slowly and refused requests to leave the course.

“I felt we were discriminated against,” one of the women, Myneca Ojo, told the York Daily Record. “It was a horrific experience.”

Sandra Thompson and four friends met up Saturday to play a round of golf at the Grandview Golf Club, where they are all members, she told the newspaper.

At the second hole, a white man whose son co-owns the club came up to them twice to complain that they weren’t keeping up with the pace of play. Thompson, an attorney and the head of the York chapter of the NAACP, told the newspaper it was untrue. On the same hole, another member of the group, Sandra Harrison, said she spoke with a Grandview golf pro, who said they were fine since they were keeping pace with the group ahead of them.

Despite that, the women skipped the third hole to avoid any other issues, she said.

Read more: https://apnews.com/95e02521b2884a2abd1470fd9b6fecbb

[heaven05]

1. apologies, apologies, apologies

and nothing is stopping the white ignorance, white fear, white hate spreading like deadly, lethal, virulent plague across this country. Oh, I forgot the potus told them to spread hate like this over the whole land and at last count 66 million+ people and that number is growing are his army of plague spreaders....along with the goebbels propaganda machines that normalized the POS calling himself potus.

[mercuryblues]

2. On the 2nd hole

the complaints started from the man behind them. hmmm. The men were in Starbuck for 2 minutes. The women even skipped the 3rd hole, but the complaints kept up. The golf pro told them they were fine and keeping up with the party in front of them. The police were called, because why?

I'm going with a white man didn't think he had to play behind black people.

[Oneironaut]

16. Exactly. I think it was the idea that they didnt belong there.

Everyone talks about racism, but overt racism is only part of the problem. This is a massive problem as well. I’m talking about the socio-economic caste system the US currently has, where certain luxuries, opportunities, or activities are considered too “expensive” for minority groups have / to take part in.

It isn’t just racists that have this mindset. This mindset poisons everyone. If we are going to fix it, we need to talk about it. At the moment, everyone pretends that this problem doesn’t exist.

[mercuryblues]

17. It is deeply ingrained and off topic

I can't find the article I was looking for, but a test question, from a middle school standardized test went something like this:

John and Joe enjoyed a game of golf then went into the country _____ to eat lunch.

A/restaurant
B/club
C/church
D/Car

The correct answer being B. But minorities, esp those on the lower economic scale or inner cities would think the answer is A.

On its face it doesn't appear to be racist

Many minorities haven't been exposed to country clubs in their everyday lives. Besides, a club is what you use to golf with, not eat in. Or buy groceries in (sam's club), a sports group of players and fans, etc.

But I did find these articles:

The SAT uses an experimental section to test questions that may be used on future tests. If the questions don’t test well, they are scrapped. If they do well, the questions are placed on future tests. But how do test administrators decide when a question does well? By the performance of white males.

Researcher Jay Rosner analyzed 276 verbal and math questions from the 1998-2000 SATs. He discovered what he calls “Black questions,” which more Blacks than whites answered correctly on the experimental sections. These questions never made it onto the scored sections of future tests. Instead, the SAT contains the “White questions.” Rosner argues that the questions are geared toward whites, as test developers are mandated to recreate the norm, and the norm is White males outperforming their peers.

http://atlantablackstar.com/2014/12/04/4-ways-the-sat-is-culturally-biased-against-black-students/

Now read this:

The focus of both studies is on questions that show "differential item functioning," known by its acronym DIF. A DIF question is one on which students "matched by proficiency" and other factors have variable scores, predictably by race, on selected questions. A DIF question has notable differences between black and white (or, in theory, other subsets of students) whose educational background and skill set suggest that they should get similar scores. The 2003 study and this year's found no DIF issues in the mathematics section.

But what Freedle found in 2003 has now been confirmed independently by the new study: that some kinds of verbal questions have a DIF for black and white students. On some of the easier verbal questions, the two studies found that a DIF favored white students. On some of the most difficult verbal questions, the DIF favored black students. Freedle's theory about why this would be the case was that easier questions are likely reflected in the cultural expressions that are used commonly in the dominant (white) society, so white students have an edge based not on education or study skills or aptitude, but because they are most likely growing up around white people. The more difficult words are more likely to be learned, not just absorbed.

https://www.insidehighered.com/news/2010/06/21/sat

[Lonestarblue]

3. White privilege needs to be kicked in the head and stomped into oblivion!

White privilege has always been apparent, but Trump’s ravings have brought out the worst in people like this. What an incredible waste of time and energy to hate people for their skin color.

[OregonBlue]

4. Thanks Trump.

[paleotn]

5. Why not ask to play through instead of honking at the group ahead to speed up?

Although, as we know, their speed of play was really not the issue.

[Cracklin Charlie]

6. Racist couldnt complain about them if he was in front of them.

Good grief, these damn people.

[mercuryblues]

18. The ladies

were keeping pace to the group in front of them. Remember this started on the 2nd hole. The goal was to not having to play behind black women.

[paleotn]

20. You are correct.

I didn't see the 2nd hole part before responding. That is pathetic.

[Cold War Spook]

7. They are members of the club.

What could they be doing that could cause someone to call the police? I mean besides them being Black. At least this time the cops did interviews and left because even they knew this whole thing was bogus.

[still_one]

8. It is bullshit, and calling the police for this is unacceptable, and at a minimum they need to be

charged with a false police call.

The golfers should NOT have skipped the third hold because they felt pressured by the assholes behind them. Perhaps they should have let them play through, but calling the police on this is another indication of "white privlege", sexism, and latent racism

[tulipsandroses]

9. Apologies just like thoughts and prayers are not enough!

Enough already!

[mac2766]

10. I'm a golfer

Gentleman's game? Maybe, but the story that I read didn't describe a group of gentlemen playing the game.

Good grief.

[Kashkakat v.2.0]

11. Playing too slowly - are you frikken kidding me? Maybe the other group was playing too fast. On a

positive note, I am glad that at least these stories are now seeing the light of day. I suspect these types of incidents and worse have been going on forever, even since the 1964 civil rights act was supposed to give people of color free and equal access to public spaces.

[TeamPooka]

12. Double Fuck that golf course.

[Bengus81]

13. Do they tell alot of old white guys to LEAVE the course because of slow play?

Or they just let others play through which is what these women did but the cops were STILL called out.

[AZ8theist]

14. ON THE SECOND FUCKING HOLE???!??!?!?!

GIVE ME A FUCKING BREAK!!!

I play golf all the time and you can't possibly complain on the second hole. 4th 5th or 6th maybe. NOT THE SECOND.
If some asshole complained about the pace of play AFTER JUST STARTING THE ROUND...i would simply say, OK, jerkoff, just play through.

Clearly a case of some racist knuckle-dragger asshole ENTITLED to not have to play golf with black people. He needs to go fuck himself.

[Kashkakat v.2.0]

15. What does "play through" mean - do you mean to say that they had option of just bypassing people who

they thought were "too slow"?

I thought the whole point of golf was to take a leisurely stroll out in the sunshine so why are they getting all worked up about it - well, I know why.

[JustABozoOnThisBus]

19. Depends on the meaning of the word "leisurely"

"Playing through" depends on the people ahead of you stopping to let you play past them. If they refuse, another option (usually) is to skip past their hole and restart play on the following hole, thus jumping ahead. Then, hopefully, look for an opportunity to "make up" a ninth hole somewhere.

If you play the first hole, walk (or ride) to the second tee, and find a group of players sitting around talking when they're not waiting for any group in front of them, then yes, they're playing too slow. Clubs usually have rules about this and usually try to make everyone happy. Sometimes it doesn't work.

Golf clubs have rangers for the same reason that bars have bouncers.

I don't think all the facts were in the article, so hard to judge whether the club manager was in the right or not.

[AZ8theist]

22. here's the deal..

Yes, you're correct..golf is usually a pleasure endeavor (but some can get competitive!) so for the most part whether walking or riding in a golf cart the pace of play stays pretty consistent.
But let's say your group has 4 people and the group behind you only has 2 or 3. So naturally it takes more time for your group to complete a hole than for the 3-some. So they are usually waiting on you.
As a courtesy at some point you stop (usually at the next tee box) and wait for the following group to get there. Then you let them know to "play through"..i.e. tee off ahead of you since they are faster. You wait for them to get ahead and then continue. It's simply courtesy.
Gentlemen golfers do it all the time.

The fact that these asswipes complained on the second hole indicates that it wasn't slow play that had them pissed, it was "brown people" playing on "their" course that got them upset.

If I owned the club, I would fire the white privileged douche bags and grant the ladies lifetime memberships.

[catrose]

26. Except that the douchebag who complained

was the father of the owner. I'm sure he viewed the course as his

[laserhaas]

21. Awh..come on...Theres no racism in Amerika

Guy gets $2 million bail, another is allowed fast food break, photographer gets beat up by 4 - and gets charged for the incident.

BLM (as notches on cop pistols)...

All is okay - because no one is upsetting the 1 %

.....Cant you see - what all this talk about racism inequity is doing to our Amerikkkan harmony

[WhoWoodaKnew]

23. I play a lot of golf. I hate playing behind a slow group.

I usually moan and groan for the first 5-6 holes if they're actually holding us up. Most people will let you through if you're waiting a lot.

There are two types of slow players. The first is that they're just slow/methodical. The second type is really unacceptable (screwing around, talking instead of playing, not ready when it's your shot, etc). That's not only disrespectful to the groups (plural) behind you but it's disrespectful to your own playing partners.

Now, I'm not sure how anyone can figure that out in 2 holes. Unless they take an hour to play two holes.

And all you have to do is call the clubhouse and say something like "Hey, the group on #3 is way outta position. Can you get them to play faster?" A ranger will be sent and he/she is usually nice about it and will check back or hang around to see if they pick up their pace.

There actually is a pace of play thing posted at every course. That rule is in place so some dude like Trump can't show up and take an hour on each hole and ruin everyone's day.

Having said all that, the club is 100% at fault in this case. All they had to do was be nice and if the women didn't pick up their pace of play just stay with they and force them to let faster groups through. The course isn't there for one group. It's there for all groups.

[AZ8theist]

24. There's a third type of slow player

A person who is just learning the game. They don't have the swing mechanics mastered, nor any idea of how far they can hit the ball with each club. So they end up taking many more strokes on each hole than a skilled player. Not their fault; they're just learning.

Nobody bowls a 300 on their first trip to the alley........

[WhoWoodaKnew]

25. That's a really good point...

It's kind of like having a student driver on the roads. And I always suggest that a new golfer be with an experienced golfer when they're out on the course with everybody else. They don't have to be but it sure helps them when somebody experienced can tell them what to do. Even for little things like where to park the cart or how many clubs to bring to a shot. All that kind of stuff that saves time.

[AZ8theist]

31. exactly

First time I took my wife golfing....
She teed off on the first hole, no problem. Rode up to her ball, and she proceeded to TEE IT UP AGAIN.
Sorry, honey, but you can't do that....

[RockRaven]

27. Everyone who maintains a membership in this club

going forward is a POS. Apologies mean nothing when no tangible actions accompany them. Unless this co-owner is going to cease to be a part owner, then f*ck this golf club, and f*ck people who stay members. They should be ashamed by the association.

[MichMan]

29. The women are all members

Does your statement also apply to them if they maintain their membership ?

Aplologies sometimes do mean something if made sincerely and the recepients accept them graciously. It will be up to them to decide if they are sufficient or not

[leanforward]

28. This club may be falling on hard times, soon.

Diversity is the basis of business enterprise success. Reading the threads makes me think that this course may soon be sold or out of business. Because of a hardhead(s) following the women this course seems likely to change ownership.

I don't play golf, but I've heard of playing through. I've read about everything cited in the preceding threads.

[MichMan]

30. The women were accepted as members

It would seem to appear that there is diversity if they were already members.