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appalachiablue

(41,132 posts)
Thu May 24, 2018, 04:02 PM May 2018

Obesity Linked to 12 Types of Cancer in New Report

Source: Newsweek

Health experts have recommended ten lifestyle changes, including quitting drinking and limiting the consumption of processed meats, to prevent 12 different cancers linked to obesity in a major new report.

The World Cancer Research Fund (WCRF) assessed decades-worth of evidence and found an association between obesity and cancers of the stomach, mouth and throat, liver, ovary, bowel, gallbladder, kidney, esophagus, pancreas, and womb. Breast cancer after the menopause and advanced prostate cancer were also linked to obesity.
The "Diet, Nutrition, Physical Activity and Cancer: a Global Perspective" report presented at the European Congress on Obesity in Vienna included an updated version of the organization's cancer prevention recommendations, which it dubbed its “blueprint to beat cancer.” It was accompanied by the Cancer Health Check tool, which offers personalized recommendations for how to prevent the disease.

The recommendations included: being a healthy weight; exercising; eating grains, veg, fruit and beans; avoiding high calorie foods; limiting the consumption of red and processed meat and sugar-sweetened drinks, as well as cutting out alcohol. The WCRF also warned against relying on dietary supplements and emphasized the benefits of breastfeeding babies. Regularly drinking sugar-sweetened drinks was linked to cancer because it can cause weight gain and obesity, the experts said. But being physically active was found to directly protect against cancers of the bowel, womb and, post-menopause, breast, as well as cutting the wider risk of developing other cancers.

Mirroring a 2015 World Health Organization warning that linked the consumption of processed and red meats to forms of cancer including bowel, the report recommended a diet featuring wholegrains, vegetables, fruit and pulses. Red meat should be limited to no more than three portions (350 to 500g cooked servings) a week to prevent bowel cancer, the WCRF said. Alcohol, meanwhile, was “strongly” associated with cancer of the breast, liver, mouth, bowel, throat, esophagus, and stomach.

And as more countries adopt Western lifestyles with sedentary living and obesity-causing foods, cancer rates are expected to spike 58% by 2035, causing 24 million global deaths per year, the researchers said. However, the onus to prevent cancer does not solely lie with individuals, they stressed, urging governments to prioritize cancer prevention policies.


Read more: http://www.newsweek.com/cancer-obesity-12-types-new-report-world-cancer-research-fund-942012



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Obesity Linked to 12 Types of Cancer in New Report (Original Post) appalachiablue May 2018 OP
Seriously? gilligan May 2018 #1
Carpe diem, got it. New 2018 study on booze- 'acetaldehyde' is one nasty toxin.. appalachiablue May 2018 #6
Hell gilligan May 2018 #52
I did it psychopomp May 2018 #63
While this confirms what every doctor I know has told me, DFW May 2018 #2
Sorry about the pancreatic. It is a fast lethal cancer with high mortality. . . . nt Bernardo de La Paz May 2018 #8
My dad fought it off for 11 months DFW May 2018 #11
That's a great story, and it sounds like your Dad was a smart man FakeNoose May 2018 #23
It's pretty crazy how the human body works. bearsfootball516 May 2018 #30
That is true enough. DFW May 2018 #34
As someone who is benefiting from Medicare's outpatient cancer coverage, I thank your father. dixiegrrrrl May 2018 #37
He never stopped doing his job until mother nature stopped him DFW May 2018 #40
It's not just about longevity, but much about quality of life. Bernardo de La Paz May 2018 #10
I don't dispute any of that DFW May 2018 #13
Genetics is a big factor, for sure. silverweb May 2018 #14
Not so fast. Those 12 are some of the biggest for which there are lots of stats. Bernardo de La Paz May 2018 #16
That could very well be. silverweb May 2018 #24
Those changes are the big challenge DFW May 2018 #29
That's true for many of us. silverweb May 2018 #33
I know. My wife is volunteering for more stuff than her work when she had a full-time job DFW May 2018 #35
Ha! I've been curious what you do. dixiegrrrrl May 2018 #39
And that's just the part I can talk about! DFW May 2018 #42
Yikes, that's a tall order! silverweb May 2018 #48
I mentioned the requirements to a couple of candidates DFW May 2018 #58
I can imagine. silverweb May 2018 #60
This message was self-deleted by its author appalachiablue May 2018 #32
Good advice DFW May 2018 #36
Belissimo! I saw her pix and your beautiful daughters. You have much appalachiablue May 2018 #44
I have read that studies involving mice and weight BigmanPigman May 2018 #3
My great-grandparents lived well into their 80s. They were SLIM & WALKED. appalachiablue May 2018 #12
Am I wrong to assume that fallout from all the nuclear weapons testing has had a factor in... Crowman2009 May 2018 #22
Yes you are wrong to assume that. Very minimal effect. Bigger are pollution, smoking, obesity, Bernardo de La Paz May 2018 #45
Vanishingly few obese 90 year old people. And few 70 yo obese people with good quality of life. nt Bernardo de La Paz May 2018 #19
I'm surprised smoking wasn't included in this...in regards to lifestyle...never mind, found it C Moon May 2018 #4
The best way to lose weight is to stuff up on healthy food, delicious healthy food you like. Bernardo de La Paz May 2018 #7
US longevity declined for third year in a row. Post-baby-boom & some boomers are first US gen to dec Bernardo de La Paz May 2018 #5
Yes, younger generations becoming sick with chronic illness far earlier in life. appalachiablue May 2018 #15
No mention of environmental toxins in our food, air and water. womanofthehills May 2018 #9
Agree with your point, but Roundup is a general herbicide. spooky3 May 2018 #17
Which is what they do pre-harvest Pobeka May 2018 #51
Thanks. You may be interested in this Snopes entry: spooky3 May 2018 #54
Thanks for the link, lots of info there. n/t Pobeka May 2018 #61
Better to research yourself than to rely on Snopes womanofthehills May 2018 #70
In this case, definitely yes. Duppers May 2018 #73
LOL...I've never seen that and I live in Kansas....... Bengus81 May 2018 #59
Thanks for the info. Pobeka May 2018 #62
It's usually done in the more northern states like North Dakota - less likely in Kansas womanofthehills May 2018 #67
EcoWatch is great source. Duppers May 2018 #74
That's right - Roundup kills the grains so they can be harvested a week or two earlier womanofthehills May 2018 #66
Depending on whether you call it luck or not DFW May 2018 #18
So avoiding red meat has indeed lowered Duppers May 2018 #75
There are several foods high in uric acid DFW May 2018 #77
You're overly modest. Duppers May 2018 #78
No, I know you didn't doubt that DFW May 2018 #79
In all the articles on this report I searched to post, none mentioned appalachiablue May 2018 #21
Large, yes, but not huge like smoking, obesity, lack of exercise, bad nutrition, alcoholism, etc. Bernardo de La Paz May 2018 #46
I disagree - solvents, pesticides, pcbs, etc. What about all the chemicals that are listed as known womanofthehills May 2018 #69
What part of "large" do you not understand? You made a big scary list and gave an anecdote. Bernardo de La Paz May 2018 #71
Try adopting such a lifestyle on a low income meow2u3 May 2018 #20
True & unfair. Low cost & low quality processed food for low income folks. appalachiablue May 2018 #26
I love your Tom Wolf meme and I'm borrowing it FakeNoose May 2018 #27
Lose the focus on meat unless you are a cat. There are thousands of delicious vegetarian dishes. Bernardo de La Paz May 2018 #47
What am I? a horse? meow2u3 May 2018 #65
You are a cat, meow 2 u, not a horse. But you are also wrong. Bernardo de La Paz May 2018 #72
So don't eat meat. Codeine May 2018 #64
fresh organic carrots are less than $2.00 a bag here in New Mexico womanofthehills May 2018 #68
Omg! That is sad. Duppers May 2018 #76
TBH, everything is linked to cancer elmac May 2018 #25
Used to have a Doctor who said Va Lefty May 2018 #28
All cardiologists say that, including mine DFW May 2018 #31
No. He was incredibly stupid and unwise. What a nonsensical idiotic damaging thing to say! Bernardo de La Paz May 2018 #49
Jeez he was joking. Also an excellent Dr.! Va Lefty May 2018 #55
Obesity is not a light topic. There are doctors stupid enough to say things like that so-called joke Bernardo de La Paz May 2018 #57
Wow. Yes, people overeat and eat the wrong things....a LOT. Things have changed in recent decades. Honeycombe8 May 2018 #38
Yes, giant portions & larger 'Dinner Plate' Size from the 8" (old) standard. appalachiablue May 2018 #41
We have a food "wholesaler" here JNelson6563 May 2018 #53
This message was self-deleted by its author GoCubsGo May 2018 #43
By the way, that burger in the photo is HIGHLY NUTRITIOUS Bernardo de La Paz May 2018 #50
Not good news for Mr. "239 pounds" then. BlueStater May 2018 #56
"A diet featuring wholegrains, vegetables, fruit and pulses." moriah May 2018 #80
I first heard the term pulses with friends from Punjab, India appalachiablue May 2018 #81

psychopomp

(4,668 posts)
63. I did it
Thu May 24, 2018, 07:52 PM
May 2018

Going on three months now. If you drink and are in your forties or older, be sure to check your mouth for bumps or lesions that don't clear up after a week. Oral cancers are painless in the first stages.

DFW

(54,379 posts)
2. While this confirms what every doctor I know has told me,
Thu May 24, 2018, 04:12 PM
May 2018

My dad ate well, drank very little alcohol, and at age 77 was beating guys 20 years his junior at tennis. My wife marveled at how he still looked like a male model at 77.

All this didn't prevent him from getting prostate cancer at 70 (he beat that) and pancreatic cancer at 77 (he did NOT beat that). It is in no way lost on me that he was then just 11 years older than I am now when he got the bad news. That is less time than I have been in DU. Tick, tick, tick.

Both my parents and ALL their siblings got cancer, and most of them died of it. There are no guarantees. With me and my genetic background, it's probably not "if," but "when."

By the way, my father's comment to my mom when he got the diagnosis of pancreatic cancer was, "so much for clean living."

DFW

(54,379 posts)
11. My dad fought it off for 11 months
Thu May 24, 2018, 04:39 PM
May 2018

His doctor was amazed he lasted that long, figured he was running on fumes for the last 6 months. I think he wanted to last long enough to celebrate his 50th wedding anniversary, which he did--just barely.

As it is, from his sickbed, he singlehandedly saved a few dozen million Medicare patients some financial evil with one phone call. This was in 2000, the last year of the Clinton administration, and someone floated a measure to reduce Medicare's outpatient coverage for cancer and other drastic treatment from 95% to 85%. As one who had been receiving that coverage, he saw the hole in the argument immediately. He arranged a conference call between him in bed, Senator Moynihan and the Clinton White House. He told them, "look, if you do this, everyone will just check themselves into the hospital overnight for the higher coverage, and it will cost the government billions!" They all said, OMG, you're right, and the measure was abandoned. That's the kind of guy he was. BIG shoes that I never even tried to fill.

FakeNoose

(32,639 posts)
23. That's a great story, and it sounds like your Dad was a smart man
Thu May 24, 2018, 04:54 PM
May 2018

I've lost both my parents and 2 of my 4 grandparents to cancer. It is a terrible disease.

/file

bearsfootball516

(6,377 posts)
30. It's pretty crazy how the human body works.
Thu May 24, 2018, 05:07 PM
May 2018

Look at Warren Buffet. He eats absolute garbage day after day, has had minimal health problems and is 87. Some people smoked thousands and thousands of packs of cigarettes in their lives, live into their 80s and don't get lung cancer. Then some people eat extremely well, exercise daily, and then have a health complication in their early 70s and pass away. Sometimes, there's no way to tell.

DFW

(54,379 posts)
34. That is true enough.
Thu May 24, 2018, 05:18 PM
May 2018

Smokers in Germany always justify their habit with some distant relative who smoked 14000 cigarettes a year (two packs a day) and lived to be 122 or something. But I tell them, out of ten thousand people who cross the autobahn on foot at rush hour blindfolded, one or two will survive to the other side. But what are your odds? Would YOU try it with those odds?

A French friend of mine who never smoked died of lung cancer at 72. Incredible guy. He was in the resistance during the Second World War, was firing machine guns from hideouts at the Nazis at age 14. Because his family was Dutch originally, he was light blond, and looked half his age (even at 60!). He was never suspected of what he was really up to, and survived the occupation. He HATED cigarette smoke, but employed nothing but smokers in his office (not unusual in France), and died an unpleasant death. This was several decades ago, when smoking in offices was still allowed there.

dixiegrrrrl

(60,010 posts)
37. As someone who is benefiting from Medicare's outpatient cancer coverage, I thank your father.
Thu May 24, 2018, 05:38 PM
May 2018

A new Medicare 5 year trial program was started in July of 2016, to expand cancer treatment on an outpatient basis in rural counties.
12 rural hospitals were chosen across the country, one of them is in my lil country town.
The doctor services are provided by oncologists who come to the rural hospitals once a week, from the city, and who are available 24/7 on call. Physician's Assistants and trained experienced nurses are in the local hospital clinics 5 days a week, where chemo is provided.

Most cancer surgeries are handled on an "outpatient" level, meaning you get hospital based surgery, but technically admitted into the hospital for less than 24 hours.
That saves Medicare patients the $2,000 inpatient deductible.

Home Nurses are provided for surgery follow up, no charge to the patient under Medicare.

I know this because 2 weeks after the program began, I found the dreaded "lump". Turns out there is a rare form of breast cancer that targets women in their 60's and 70's mostly.

Medicare covered 80% of everything except chemo drugs. The hospital allows low monthly payments, zero interest rate.

Without this program people have to drive 180 miles round trip to the nearest city, for treatment, follow up appts. chemo, labs work, etc.
takes hours a day to do that, plus gas money. And that is IF you have a car that will make the trip.

can you imagine the toll that takes on the patient, the family? It's hard enough to recover just from the surgery, resting at home.

The 5 year trial has several goals, one of them is the 5 year remission rate. I hope to be in that number, of course'
Your father will be on my mind now, I will send him a prayer of gratitude.


















I happened to read about the program in late June of 2016.

Bernardo de La Paz

(49,001 posts)
10. It's not just about longevity, but much about quality of life.
Thu May 24, 2018, 04:32 PM
May 2018

At 77, your father was enjoying life at a level 20 years better quality than his peers. "Clean living" has many benefits and longevity is only one of them. 77 well exceeds the life expectancy your father's generation had at birth or age 7 (past infant mortality).

Further, living a healthy life make the body more resilient and able to fight cancers. I guarantee you that you and I have had and defeated multiple cancers we've never known about because our immune systems and other body systems killed them before they got established.

DFW

(54,379 posts)
13. I don't dispute any of that
Thu May 24, 2018, 04:40 PM
May 2018

But his grandmother lived to be a robust 91, and he was hoping to emulate her.

silverweb

(16,402 posts)
14. Genetics is a big factor, for sure.
Thu May 24, 2018, 04:41 PM
May 2018

The 12 types of cancer linked to obesity and lifestyle are only around 10% of all cancers, which number over 100 per the National Cancer Institute.

If there's any hope of mitigating cancer risk by way of lifestyle changes, though, it's wise to make those changes.

Bernardo de La Paz

(49,001 posts)
16. Not so fast. Those 12 are some of the biggest for which there are lots of stats.
Thu May 24, 2018, 04:43 PM
May 2018

Many of the others in the set of 100 are obscure and affect very few people proportionally.

If we had perfect complete stats, we might well find that most of the 100 are adversely affected by obesity.

DFW

(54,379 posts)
29. Those changes are the big challenge
Thu May 24, 2018, 05:05 PM
May 2018

I painted myself into a corner jobwise over 30 years ago. I walk around a LOT, including in cities with hills and cobblestone streets. On the other hand, I don't get nearly enough sleep and maintain a travel schedule that would cause James Bond to go on strike for better working conditions. That wasn't tiring at age 26. At age 66, it is bit more so. It is more likely that my job will retire me than the other way around, but it's still better than dying of boredom.

silverweb

(16,402 posts)
33. That's true for many of us.
Thu May 24, 2018, 05:13 PM
May 2018

Sleep deprivation is an epidemic these days, and more and more studies are showing how devastating it can be to our health. I hope the demand for travel lessens for you soon, too. It certainly messes with our biological clock and sleep patterns, which just compounds matters.

As for retirement being boring, it doesn't have to be. There's a great need for volunteers in most communities, so I'm sure you'll find something to do that you feel passionate about.

DFW

(54,379 posts)
35. I know. My wife is volunteering for more stuff than her work when she had a full-time job
Thu May 24, 2018, 05:26 PM
May 2018

The demand for travel will lessen when I find a replacement. All I need is someone who can spot counterfeit US money from 1792 onward, including all gold coin issues from 1795 to 1933, advise Central Banks around the world what to do when they have such holdings, and speak English, Spanish, Catalan, Italian, Russian, Dutch, French, German and at least one Scandinavian language. An EU work permit is essential, along with an EU or Swiss residence permit, and any applicant must be willing to be in a different country every day of the week for work. Other than that, no real tough job requirements. For some reason, though, they are not lined around the block for interviews. The job security is great, but like I said, I painted myself into a corner.

dixiegrrrrl

(60,010 posts)
39. Ha! I've been curious what you do.
Thu May 24, 2018, 05:42 PM
May 2018

Explains a lot now. You are indeed a rare bird, which I sorta figured.

DFW

(54,379 posts)
42. And that's just the part I can talk about!
Thu May 24, 2018, 05:59 PM
May 2018


It's a rare bird job, I guess, but despite the stress, it's INTERESTING and never boring. It pays well, and I can take as much vacation as I want as long as everything gets done (that's the hard part). It has its yin and yang like everything else, I figure.

Take my two daughters: the older one makes a low salary (for where she lives) and only gets 2 or 3 weeks vacation. On the other hand, she gets to live in the one city she most wants to live in (New York City) in all the world. Her younger sister makes an incredible mid-six figure salary, gets six weeks paid vacation. She lives outside of Frankfurt, Germany. The older one would give her eye teeth for her sister's salary and vacation. The younger one would give her eye teeth to be able to live in New York City. You never get EVERYTHING, do you?

silverweb

(16,402 posts)
48. Yikes, that's a tall order!
Thu May 24, 2018, 06:19 PM
May 2018

I sure hope you have some bright young person in mind to train for such an important and demanding job.

DFW

(54,379 posts)
58. I mentioned the requirements to a couple of candidates
Thu May 24, 2018, 07:10 PM
May 2018

They ran screaming as fast as they could in the opposite direction

silverweb

(16,402 posts)
60. I can imagine.
Thu May 24, 2018, 07:21 PM
May 2018

It sounds like it may take at least two people to replace you when you do decide to retire.

Response to DFW (Reply #2)

DFW

(54,379 posts)
36. Good advice
Thu May 24, 2018, 05:35 PM
May 2018

I think boredom is as deadly as cancer. Curiosity is what kept my dad alive for six extra months, I think. I DO have a bunch of personal interests. I still give guitar concerts on occasion, still do some writing (some DUers have even read my book!), travel, and have a beautiful wife who has been with me for 44 years now, and has survived cancer twice, herself (and looks like a 40 year old ex-model in spite of all that), and is a master chef. She alone gives me an excellent reason for living (and scares the living shit outta me every time she gets sick).
This is her last year at age 65, 6 months after a drastic 5 hour operation for her second round of cancer. If THAT isn't a reason to go on living, I don't know what is!
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appalachiablue

(41,132 posts)
44. Belissimo! I saw her pix and your beautiful daughters. You have much
Thu May 24, 2018, 06:11 PM
May 2018

to live for, so stay around for a long time! Having F&F, many interests and busy schedules you described are all strong indicators for good health & happiness! Das Gute Leben.

BigmanPigman

(51,592 posts)
3. I have read that studies involving mice and weight
Thu May 24, 2018, 04:17 PM
May 2018

have shown that slightly underweight mice live longer than average weight and obese mice. I am not aware of similar studies with people though.

appalachiablue

(41,132 posts)
12. My great-grandparents lived well into their 80s. They were SLIM & WALKED.
Thu May 24, 2018, 04:40 PM
May 2018

They were ACTIVE, in & around nature, their work and communities; their lifestyles weren't sedentary & toxic like today.

One SLIM great grandfather rode a bicycle miles to work every day, from a semi-rural area into the city. Retired in 70s.

Food then was grown and produced much more naturally, without modern, post WWII hyper chemical industrial practices.

None in this generation and the next one, grandparents had cancer I'm fairly sure. They were born c. 1870- 1890.

It's the Boomers and beyond becoming sick with chronic diseases much earlier in life than preceding generations.

Crowman2009

(2,495 posts)
22. Am I wrong to assume that fallout from all the nuclear weapons testing has had a factor in...
Thu May 24, 2018, 04:46 PM
May 2018

...the rise of cancer rates?

Bernardo de La Paz

(49,001 posts)
45. Yes you are wrong to assume that. Very minimal effect. Bigger are pollution, smoking, obesity,
Thu May 24, 2018, 06:11 PM
May 2018

... sedentary lifestyle, suicide due to modern life (social media and all), car accidents, bad nutrition, alcoholism, ....

C Moon

(12,213 posts)
4. I'm surprised smoking wasn't included in this...in regards to lifestyle...never mind, found it
Thu May 24, 2018, 04:21 PM
May 2018

"The cornerstones of healthy living- not smoking, keeping a healthy weight, staying active and eating and drinking healthily- remain the key to cutting cancer risk."

Got to lose some weight myself. This article will help. :O

Bernardo de La Paz

(49,001 posts)
7. The best way to lose weight is to stuff up on healthy food, delicious healthy food you like.
Thu May 24, 2018, 04:25 PM
May 2018

Find it. It is out there.

There is lots of food that tastes great when nicely prepared and is exceptionally healthy. Educate your palate.

Of course, controlling meat portion size and sweets/dessert/confection portion size/quantity is important too. But it is much easier if you have filled up on yummy vegetables and fruits and grains.

Bernardo de La Paz

(49,001 posts)
5. US longevity declined for third year in a row. Post-baby-boom & some boomers are first US gen to dec
Thu May 24, 2018, 04:22 PM
May 2018

... are the first US generation to have lower life expectancy than their parents.

womanofthehills

(8,709 posts)
9. No mention of environmental toxins in our food, air and water.
Thu May 24, 2018, 04:28 PM
May 2018

I would eat grass fed beef any day before American grains sprayed with glyphosate. (Roundup)

Also, what food grown where.

Pobeka

(4,999 posts)
51. Which is what they do pre-harvest
Thu May 24, 2018, 06:28 PM
May 2018

A dose of glyphosate to kill the wheat, then the stems stiffen up and the grain heads snap off more easily during harvesting.

This is only what I have heard, (from reliable sources), but that does make it hearsay for you reading this.

Regardless of that, have you not heard of roundup resistant crop strains? Soy, corn (and others I'd guess) are both genetically engineered to resist roundup so farmers can spray roundup on crops to kill weeds and not the crops. But now the weeds are becoming resistant.

And, glyphosate kills necessary gut bacteria that helps digest food.

Duppers

(28,120 posts)
73. In this case, definitely yes.
Fri May 25, 2018, 04:02 PM
May 2018

Dig just a little and you'll find articles such as this, fr a reliable consumer protection source:

https://www.ecowatch.com/why-is-glyphosate-sprayed-on-crops-right-before-harvest-1882187755.html



It was banned in Europe but was then given a reprieve, if I'm remembering correctly. Cash buys politicians everywhere.


Bengus81

(6,931 posts)
59. LOL...I've never seen that and I live in Kansas.......
Thu May 24, 2018, 07:14 PM
May 2018

You don't have to drive 20 miles out in the sticks to see a wheat field,I can drive two or three miles,there are wheat fields everywhere so in mid to late June there would have to be spraying equip by the hundreds driving around in fields,which I've never seen. Hell hybrid wheat only gets 8/10 inches tall so there's little worry of them sagging over as when wheat was 3-4 feet tall.

The stubble is left in the field after harvest until Sept planting. There is probably a shot of herbicide then plus tilling and planting. So there is no Round-up on any plants or in the soil nine months later when cut.

Pobeka

(4,999 posts)
62. Thanks for the info.
Thu May 24, 2018, 07:36 PM
May 2018

I thought maybe the situation was different in western washington, but there was a specific study there and the use of glyphosate as a desiccant is rare to non-existent.

I stand corrected, it is good to know wheat is safer than I thought...

womanofthehills

(8,709 posts)
67. It's usually done in the more northern states like North Dakota - less likely in Kansas
Thu May 24, 2018, 11:20 PM
May 2018
While more common in Upper Midwestern states where there is more moisture, desiccation is less likely to be done in drier wheat growing areas of Kansas, Oklahoma, Washington and Oregon
.

The vast majority of farmers in Manitoba, Canada's third largest wheat producing province, also use glyphosate on wheat, said Gerald Wiebe, a farmer and agricultural consultant. “I would estimate that 90 to 95 percent of wheat acres in Manitoba are sprayed pre-harvest with glyphosate; the exception would be in dry areas of the province where moisture levels at harvest time are not an issue," he said.


“I have talked with millers of conventionally produced grain and they all agree it's very difficult to source oats, wheat, flax and triticale, which have not been sprayed with glyphosate prior to harvest," he said. “It's a 'don't ask, don't tell policy' in the industry."


Along with wheat and oats, glyphosate is used to desiccate a wide range of other crops including lentils, peas, non-GMO soybeans, corn, flax, rye, triticale, buckwheat, millet, canola, sugar beets and potatoes. Sunflowers may also be treated pre-harvest with glyphosate, according to the National Sunflower Association.


https://www.ecowatch.com/why-is-glyphosate-sprayed-on-crops-right-before-harvest-1882187755.html

womanofthehills

(8,709 posts)
66. That's right - Roundup kills the grains so they can be harvested a week or two earlier
Thu May 24, 2018, 11:11 PM
May 2018

Roundup is sprayed on grains a week before harvest to dry down the grains -esp in the wet northern states. Desiccation makes it easier to harvest.

DFW

(54,379 posts)
18. Depending on whether you call it luck or not
Thu May 24, 2018, 04:44 PM
May 2018

I was found, 30 years ago, to have elevated levels of uric acid in my blood, so I eliminated red meat from my diet back then. I'll make an exception maybe twice a year, but that's it. Besides, my wife is now such a wizard with fish, I don't even miss it.

Duppers

(28,120 posts)
75. So avoiding red meat has indeed lowered
Fri May 25, 2018, 04:23 PM
May 2018

Your uric acid? That's very good to know.

I eliminated it years ago for other reasons and only very occasionally miss it. I also "make an exception maybe twice a year."

Thanks for the info on your most interesting work up thread. We've all wondered about it for years.
And nine languages! HolyCats!



DFW

(54,379 posts)
77. There are several foods high in uric acid
Fri May 25, 2018, 05:15 PM
May 2018

All red meat (I weaned myself off it), red wine (never drink the stuff anyway), and eggs (OUCH!!). Every now and again, Ill give in to some eggs, and up go my levels. But yes, red meat is not only a source of cholesterol, but also of uric acid. For those who don't know, high levels of uric acid in the blood can cause your joints to block and end up as painful gout.

I HAVE to know the languages of the people I work with. Misunderstandings are not on the "permitted" list, and I hate asking, "Do you speak English?" to everyone I meet. If I'm frequently in their country for work, even if it's at their request, I'd be one lousy guest (and worse work partner) if I didn't become conversational in the language of the country I'm working in. It's the height of arrogance to frequently visit a country (I'm not talking about casual tourists) and not learn its language. I realize that is the attitude of most of my fellow Murkins, but it's not mine, and the people I work with appreciate it very much. That makes for a LOT of international cooperation--I'll bet I get a lot greater cooperation from the Europeans than Trump's so-called "diplomats." But "we've all wondered about" my work for years? Careful, you might be in for a let-down! It's a lot of travel, a bit of danger, a LOT of paperwork, and very little sleep. You'll get more of a kick watching a rerun of "Kojak" even with the commercials!

Duppers

(28,120 posts)
78. You're overly modest.
Fri May 25, 2018, 05:27 PM
May 2018

And I do so agree about speaking the language of the countries you do business with. It's just that I never met anyone who spoke 9 of them. I am truly impressed.

And I wasn't at all skeptical that you did though, please don't misunderstand.

DFW

(54,379 posts)
79. No, I know you didn't doubt that
Fri May 25, 2018, 05:37 PM
May 2018

Besides, I sometimes run onto people whose linguistic knowledge blows mine away. I know one who was born in Transylvania, the Hungarian-speaking part of Romania. His native language is Hungarian, and he speaks Romanian, Aramaic, Hebrew, Yiddish (for languages I don't know), as well as German, Dutch, Spanish, English and French (those I do know). Languages I speak that he does not are Swedish, Catalan, Italian and Russian. Between the two of us, you had better not try to gossip behind our backs in Europe unless you are Portuguese, Greek, Albanian or Finnish!

appalachiablue

(41,132 posts)
21. In all the articles on this report I searched to post, none mentioned
Thu May 24, 2018, 04:46 PM
May 2018

ENVIRONMENTAL TOXINS unfortunately. But I know that it is a huge factor in illness, undisputable.

womanofthehills

(8,709 posts)
69. I disagree - solvents, pesticides, pcbs, etc. What about all the chemicals that are listed as known
Fri May 25, 2018, 12:07 AM
May 2018

to be human carcinogens. Also viruses and helicobacter pylori.

List of IARC Group 1 carcinogens

Chemical Substances

2-Naphthylamine
Acetaldehyde[1] associated with consumption of alcoholic beverages
4-Aminobiphenyl
Aflatoxins
Aristolochic acids, and plants containing them
Arsenic and inorganic arsenic compounds[note 1]
Asbestos
Azathioprine
Benzene
Benzidine, and dyes metabolized to
Benzo[a]pyrene
Beryllium and beryllium compounds[note 2]
Chlornapazine (N,N-Bis(2-chloroethyl)-2-naphthylamine)
Bis(chloromethyl)ether
Chloromethyl methyl ether
1,3-Butadiene
1,4-Butanediol dimethanesulfonate (Busulphan, Myleran)
Cadmium and cadmium compounds[note 2]
Chlorambucil
Methyl-CCNU (1-(2-Chloroethyl)-3-(4-methylcyclohexyl)-1-nitrosourea; Semustine)
Chromium(VI) compounds[note 2]
Ciclosporin
Cyclophosphamide
1,2-Dichloropropane
Diethylstilboestrol
Estrogen therapy, postmenopausal
Estrogen-progestogen oral contraceptives (combined)
Ethanol in alcoholic beverages[1][note 3]
Erionite
Ethylene oxide
Etoposide alone, and in combination with cisplatin and bleomycin
Fluoro-edenite fibrous amphibole
Formaldehyde
Gallium arsenide
Lindane
Melphalan
Methoxsalen (8-Methoxypsoralen) plus ultraviolet A radiation
4,4'-Methylenebis(2-chloroaniline) (MOCA)
MOPP and other combined chemotherapy including alkylating agents
Mustard gas (Sulfur mustard)
2-Naphthylamine
Neutron radiation
Nickel compounds[note 2]
4-(N-Nitrosomethylamino)-1-(3-pyridyl)-1-butanone (NNK)
N-Nitrosonornicotine (NNN)
2,3,4,7,8-Pentachlorodibenzofuran
3,4,5,3’,4’-Pentachlorobiphenyl(PCB-126)
Tamoxifen[note 4]
2,3,7,8-Tetrachlorodibenzo-p-dioxin (TCDD)
Thiotepa (1,1',1"-Phosphinothioylidynetrisaziridine)
Thorium-232 and its decay products, administered intravenously as a colloidal dispersion of thorium-232 dioxide
Treosulfan
Trichloroethylene
o-Toluidine
Vinyl chloride

Physical agents

Phosphorus-32, as phosphate
Plutonium
Radioiodines, short-lived isotopes, including iodine-131, from atomic reactor accidents and nuclear weapons detonation (exposure during childhood)
Radionuclides, α-particle-emitting, internally deposited[note 5]
Radionuclides, β-particle-emitting, internally deposited[note 5]
Radium-224 and its decay products
Radium-226 and its decay products
Radium-228 and its decay products
Radon-222 and its decay products
Silica dust, crystalline (inhaled in the form of quartz or cristobalite from occupational sources)
Talc containing asbestiform fibres

Complex/mixed agents

Outdoor air pollution
Particulate matter in outdoor air pollution

Radiations

Ionizing radiation (all types)
Ultraviolet radiation including solar radiation
X-Radiation and gamma radiation

Complex/mixed agents

Outdoor air pollution
Particulate matter in outdoor air pollution

Radiations

Ionizing radiation (all types)
Ultraviolet radiation including solar radiation
X-Radiation and gamma radiation

Exposure circumstances

Acheson process, occupational exposure associated with
Acid mists, strong inorganic
Aluminium production
Auramine production
Boot and shoe manufacture and repair (see leather Dust and benzene)
Chimney sweeping (see Soot)
Coal gasification
Coal tar distillation
Coke (fuel) production
Furniture and cabinet making (see wood dust)
Haematite mining (underground) with exposure to radon
Iron and steel founding (occupational exposure to)
Isopropanol manufacture (strong-acid process)
Glass, making of
Magenta dyes, manufacture of
Painting (see benzene)
Paving and roofing with coal tar pitch
Rubber manufacturing industry
Sandblasting (see silica dust)
Smokeless tobacco
Tobacco smoke, second hand
Tobacco smoking
Ultraviolet-emitting tanning devices

Acheson process, occupational exposure associated with
Acid mists, strong inorganic
Aluminium production
Auramine production
Boot and shoe manufacture and repair (see leather Dust and benzene)
Chimney sweeping (see Soot)
Coal gasification
Coal tar distillation
Coke (fuel) production
Furniture and cabinet making (see wood dust)
Haematite mining (underground) with exposure to radon
Iron and steel founding (occupational exposure to)
Isopropanol manufacture (strong-acid process)
Glass, making of
Magenta dyes, manufacture of
Painting (see benzene)
Paving and roofing with coal tar pitch
Rubber manufacturing industry
Sandblasting (see silica dust)
Smokeless tobacco
Tobacco smoke, second hand
Tobacco smoking
Ultraviolet-emitting tanning devices
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_IARC_Group_1_carcinogens

etc......

Lots of artists I know have come down with cancer from solvents, dye, wood dust, etc. My dad was a commercial artist who always put his paint brush in his mouth - using his saliva to make his brush have a point. He was never overweight, he ate exceptionally well and walked everyday. In fact, he was super healthy until he got cancer. Many artist paints are carcinogenic. He got cancer on his tongue and had to have his tongue cut in two and sewed back together. Painters also have a higher risk of bladder cancer.












Bernardo de La Paz

(49,001 posts)
71. What part of "large" do you not understand? You made a big scary list and gave an anecdote.
Fri May 25, 2018, 06:46 AM
May 2018

I wrote that such toxins have a large effect but not as huge as the others I listed.

Look up the stats. That's how we do science, not anecdotes. You can take any kind of freaky conspiracy theory like anti-vax and somebody will have an anecdote that they claim "proves" it.

I did not say they were tiny or negligible. Please read carefully. I try to write carefully.

meow2u3

(24,764 posts)
20. Try adopting such a lifestyle on a low income
Thu May 24, 2018, 04:45 PM
May 2018

It's not gonna work because you're willing to go hungry half the time. Poor people cannot afford fresh food because processed meats are cheaper than fresh.

appalachiablue

(41,132 posts)
26. True & unfair. Low cost & low quality processed food for low income folks.
Thu May 24, 2018, 04:58 PM
May 2018

And FOOD DESERTS in many communities where there's mostly fast food places and quick marts. People have to drive considerable distances to even shop at a decent grocery store in some areas.

Bernardo de La Paz

(49,001 posts)
47. Lose the focus on meat unless you are a cat. There are thousands of delicious vegetarian dishes.
Thu May 24, 2018, 06:14 PM
May 2018

Meat can still be had as a treat and fish too.

Inner city food deserts are a problem, though, as poster above identified.



meow2u3

(24,764 posts)
65. What am I? a horse?
Thu May 24, 2018, 10:40 PM
May 2018

Fresh fruits and veggies are among the most expensive foods there are; besides, I'm a picky eater and am very sensitive to the texture of foods. Plus, poor people cannot afford to pay for healthful foods they might not like. And BTW, I don't live in the inner city; I'm simply on a fixed income.

And I advise you not to try to turn me into a vegetarian. I'm a little to old to adjust to drastic dietary change.

Bernardo de La Paz

(49,001 posts)
72. You are a cat, meow 2 u, not a horse. But you are also wrong.
Fri May 25, 2018, 07:09 AM
May 2018

If you actually live frugally on a small income, as I did for a few years, then you find that fruit and vegetables are NOT more expensive than meat. You can get all the protein you need from a variety of medium priced vegetables and inexpensive grains. And it does not mean that you have to eliminate meat entirely. I used to buy a whole chicken every two weeks, cook it in a pot, get three or four meaty meals out of it, save the pot drippings and the bones and then boil that, skim off the fat, and use the liquid for cooking rice and quinoa. Since that time I've also learned to add lentils to the grain dish.

As far as being old, I am older than most of the population, but I know that when I stop learning and changing and adjusting then you should check me for a pulse. So, you are not too old.

As far as texture goes, you can cook food to give it just about any texture. That's a flimsy excuse at best. I'm a picky eater, who selects food carefully and I have a discriminating palate. But I have trained myself to have a wide range of tastes and I have learned to find ways to make any vegetable enjoyable. I'm not a chef by any stretch; my cooking philosophy is "Get the best ingredients and damage them as little as possible".

But you need to read carefully. Nothing I wrote said people had to become drastic vegetarians. I wrote in each of them (if I recall) that including a little meat from now and then is fine and often a good thing. Plus things like cheese in careful moderation can go a long way. And peanut butter is cheap, as is good bread that is easy for you to bake.

Finally, any big change, like to a diet, should not be drastic but introduced gradually, replacing each week some item or modest quantity of unhealthy food with as much healthy food as needed to satisfy.

The reason people get obese is they eat some empty non-nutritious high calorie food and their body craves nutrition so they feel they have to eat more and more to get even a medium amount of nutrition. They are not consciously aware that this is what is happening. So they try multiple diets, almost all of which require drastic changes and that is a formula for failure.

But the solution is simple: start eating more nutritious food and you will naturally eat less.


womanofthehills

(8,709 posts)
68. fresh organic carrots are less than $2.00 a bag here in New Mexico
Thu May 24, 2018, 11:25 PM
May 2018

mangos, grapes and cantaloupe are also pretty cheap. i was buying a cantaloupe and a child and his mom were behind me and the kid asked what it was. That's pretty sad.

 

elmac

(4,642 posts)
25. TBH, everything is linked to cancer
Thu May 24, 2018, 04:58 PM
May 2018

I knew a runner, skinny, never drank, smoked, ended up in a hospital for a year with cancer. Most everyone, if living long enough, will get some form of cancer.

DFW

(54,379 posts)
31. All cardiologists say that, including mine
Thu May 24, 2018, 05:08 PM
May 2018

If I were a rabbit, I might be able to follow those instructions..........

Bernardo de La Paz

(49,001 posts)
49. No. He was incredibly stupid and unwise. What a nonsensical idiotic damaging thing to say!
Thu May 24, 2018, 06:21 PM
May 2018

First and foremost, there are thousands of really delicious meals stacked with vegetables, fruits, and grains that are very healthy.

Second, a little bit of meat or even red meat as a treat occasionally is just fine and may actually be healthy when considered in toto. Same for a little dairy and sweets. (Unless there are specific allergies or such)

I find it hard to believe that a doctor would sabotage his patients' diets, willpower, and health so brazenly!



Honeycombe8

(37,648 posts)
38. Wow. Yes, people overeat and eat the wrong things....a LOT. Things have changed in recent decades.
Thu May 24, 2018, 05:39 PM
May 2018

When I look around at stores, I notice how the size of people has changed on the last 30 or 40 decades. There are many more obese and overweight people than there used to be. I don't understand it. They eat fast food regularly, which is packed with chemicals, calories, cholesterol, and maybe the worst of all - a lot of sodium. If not fast food, they buy fattening food for home consumption. Or they eat similar food at restaurants that are a level above fast food.

I understand occasionally splurging. But I don't understand the lack of interest in living a healthy lifestyle. You can be overweight and be healthy, but you can't be obese and be healthy.

I try to mind my own business and worry just about myself. But this does affect us all in healthcare costs.

appalachiablue

(41,132 posts)
41. Yes, giant portions & larger 'Dinner Plate' Size from the 8" (old) standard.
Thu May 24, 2018, 05:49 PM
May 2018

Also as you say, much high calorie, industrial, processed and toxin-laden food that is available, cheap and deadly.

Like INACTIVITY and Sedentary Lifestyles.

People eat and snack ALL THE TIME, some do anyway. The cheap stuff is tempting in gas stations, Best Buy, etc.

In past times people sat down at a table to eat meals, and then were done...

Major lifestyle changes in the last 30+ years..

JNelson6563

(28,151 posts)
53. We have a food "wholesaler" here
Thu May 24, 2018, 06:39 PM
May 2018

Gordon Food Service. They have restaurant supplies and the shittier ones get food there too. They have an open to the public "outlet store" and I used to go there for an employer. OMG. They simply sell the shittiest stuff in large amounts. #10 cans, that sort of thing. Invariably you see the older, incredibly overweight folks buying huge amounts of shit food. They buy and eat so much because it is so cheap and they can't resist a good deal! There's not a single fresh thing in there and this area is a smaller city surrounded by rural. We are lousy in food availability! Farmer's market year 'round even! (Inside in the winter) This is a choice many make quite freely.

Of course they are essentially buying health problems and an early grave but...at prices that are irresistible!1!!

Response to appalachiablue (Original post)

Bernardo de La Paz

(49,001 posts)
50. By the way, that burger in the photo is HIGHLY NUTRITIOUS
Thu May 24, 2018, 06:26 PM
May 2018

... once a month or two weeks maybe. It's packed with loads of vitamins, anti-oxidants, nutritious fatty acids, flavinoids, fiber, calcium, and protein.

The problem of course is that the fat is overdone and artery clogging. And the red meat would be problematic if it formed a large part of the diet. Depends on the bread in the bun too. If it is white then it is just empty calories.



BlueStater

(7,596 posts)
56. Not good news for Mr. "239 pounds" then.
Thu May 24, 2018, 06:42 PM
May 2018

Although I'm guessing it will more likely be Alzheimer's, which we knows runs in his family, that does him in.

moriah

(8,311 posts)
80. "A diet featuring wholegrains, vegetables, fruit and pulses."
Fri May 25, 2018, 05:49 PM
May 2018

Um, what?

Did they mean poultry, is there a definition of a food type by that name I'm ignorant of, or are they suggesting vampirism?

Edit: I posted before Googling because it was funny. I didn't know legumes/beans/lentils were called that, and I doubt most of Newsweek's audience does.

appalachiablue

(41,132 posts)
81. I first heard the term pulses with friends from Punjab, India
Fri May 25, 2018, 06:13 PM
May 2018

where pulses is a staple dish with meals. Pulses like dried beans, lentils, chickpeas, peanuts and other legumes are excellent sources of protein and fiber, and are low in fat. They're popular dietary staples in Asia, Africa and the Americas.
http://www.pulsecanada.com/about-pulse-canada/what-is-a-pulse/



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